View Full Version : 321 @ GLA - seized engine?

20th May 2003, 16:25
Any one able to confirm this one? Heard that a regular operator had an a/c u/s at GLA due to a seized engine!

20th May 2003, 16:30
Blimey, those baliffs will stop at nothing!:p

20th May 2003, 19:22
Who was it - AMM, BD, JKK or MYT? (Can't think of anyone else who regularly ops A321 into GLA). Newswatcher, you'll know, I guess, or will at least be able to find out.

20th May 2003, 20:20
Aircraft is currently outside BA hangar (no it's not one of ours) on the blast fence, where I believe it will remain 'til the engine change has been carried out (no.1 eng - I think).

May have more info later!

20th May 2003, 20:22
Sorry A300man, no news here! Guess we need to await Mr Jamieson.

20th May 2003, 23:55
The a/c concerned belongs to BMI. AOG spares not expected until Wed. BAA are getting into a bit of a flap regarding where to park it due to the large number of footie charters. To say parking space is limited is a bit of an understatement.

21st May 2003, 10:52
:{ i can confirm that the No.2 eng was stiff to rotate by hand, found whilst the A/C was on a t/r. No.5 bearing found to be dry, repeat dry. the oil feed had failed. it is conjecture that had the a/c gone flying it was probable, but not certain, that an in flight shut down may of occurred. Replacement engine is fitted and A/C expected to be 'S' late 21st. ok guys????

21st May 2003, 15:54
A pat on the back to the individual who found that one, nice to see that the old rumours that affect every company re. "count the wheels and it'll be ok" for a turnround aren't true and there are some very professional engineers out there!!

I'm sure the crew will have appreciated that one too, - did they buy the engineers a crate of beer for saving them from a sh*ty day at the office? Hope so!!

Is the engine being sent to manufacturer for a full strip and investigation? Surely a nice warranty claim, the a/c looks brand new (was much admired by BA lads)


21st May 2003, 15:59
What was the engine type?

21st May 2003, 16:17
I think BMI have V2500īs

21st May 2003, 18:11
They are indeed IAE V2500's.

The No.4 bearing was the one that gave some trouble during engine development, and has its own oiling system which is monitored by ECAM.

Recently the No.3 bearing has suffered from stress fractures, resulting in IFS.

If this was the No. 5 bearing, then it looks like Rolls-Royce shares will be taking yet another dive !!


21st May 2003, 21:51
Boogah, I was involved in that engine, but fortunately (for me) it was only the compressor that I designed/stressed!

Shame for all though!

21st May 2003, 22:21

All you guys at GLA, keep us up to date with the interesting Celtic charters heading out to Seville today and tomorrow. I heard that Monarch is supplying 3 x A300-600's. Any sign of em?

Max Angle
23rd May 2003, 01:49
V2500 seems to be a bit a problem engine for us, how does it get on with other operators I wonder?. We seem to have had quite a few bearing failures and also various other problems over the 5 years we have had them. Should have bought CFM me thinks.

23rd May 2003, 06:42
I'd back that decision Max Angle! I've worked with the CFM56-3c's on our 737's and I love em', never had any problems other than routine engine changes for wear and tear, never had one surge/stall on me during ground runs and very rarely have to carry out trim adjustments.

Can't comment really on BA 'buses with V2500's as I haven't got Airbus cover, but I've never heard of engine problems such as those you mention. I'm not sure how many of the BA 'buses have V2500's and how many are CFM56's, I think they are mostly 2500's.

Great result!!! - If you support the other Glasgow giant's!

Wrong place for that, sorry, anyway A300MAN, some of the stuff we've had through includes -

Crossair 747-300 (more than once), EAL(ex-BA) 747-200's, Air Atlanta 747-200's, Excel 767's/757's, various 737's and probably loads more that I have missed or been off shift when they've gone through,..... Oh and XX217, a Hawk T.1A courtesy of the RAF, it was sitting by the UAS building yesterday (21st), very BLACK and very shiny....much niceness!!

A couple of us nearly fell over tonite when we watched one of the empty 747-200's get off the deck quick and climb faster than any 757 I've ever seen....very impressive indeed, Excel's 767 couldn't out-climb him a few min's later.

23rd May 2003, 17:40
eng1170. The CFM 56 in the 737 is usually quite reliable, but I have noticed it regularly suffers overtemps on climbout especially if there is a temperature inversion .

Acceleration problems are also common, with the usual fix of a MEC change.........which is a nasty job.

BA have 10 CFM powered Busses ( inherited from BCAL) with the FADEC 56-5.

All other Busses have the V2500. Quite a few problems have occured on these. GB airways even suffered a IFSD on a 200 Hr TSN engine .

:uhoh: :uhoh:

23rd May 2003, 17:46
Last I heard the only BA 319/320 with CFMs were the ex BCal A320-100s. All others V2500.

23rd May 2003, 18:11


CFMs on ex BCal 320-100s (5) & 200s (5) i.e. the old 10 aircraft

IAEs on all new ones i.e. all 319s and the new 320-200s


23rd May 2003, 23:07
I am all out for CFM, whichever operator had bought IAE in last 14 years are regretting till date.

Forget about the reliability, even on fuel economy IAE has not come up to the mark:ok: :ok: