European corporate pilot pay...

[Vsf]

I've been missing my Business and Commercial Aviation issues and now I need to dredge up pilot's salary info. Does anybody have the U.S. salary ranges and averages for light and medium bizjet F/O and Captains, doing part 91 ops? Thanks.

[DeeTeeS]

Try these:
www.fracstats.com (http://www.fracstats.com)
www.ejapilots.com (http://www.ejapilots.com)

[Vsf]

Will do. Thanks.

[jellycopter]

Anyone got any info on UK/Euro-based biz-jet salaries?

[eji]

If you can get your hands on a June 2001 issue of Professional Pilot magazine, that would have what you're looking for. You can snag a copy at most FBO's or order a back issue on-line. Captain pay scale in that size of aircraft is about $ 65,000. Good Luck

[Vsf]

ARGGHHH...it's now moot for me. Try as I may, I just can't get a corporate position. Do I need a magic wand to break into this realm?

[hogdriver00]

Corporate is all about networking. Try pro-pilot mag. for last years survey. You can call them and they will fax you a copy.

[Vsf]

Hogdriver,

Thanks. I'll do that...and I'll keep networking (ug)...

[Will Rogers]

Could anyone please enlighten me as to how much a co-pilot and captain could expect to be paid for different aircraft types in Europe?

I don't want company specific (unless you want to tell me ;) ) but am interested in both corporate and charter (air-taxi). I would like numbers for as many types as possible (Learjet 35/60, Citation 500/550/560, 560XL, III, VII, Falcon 20, 50, 900(EX), 2000, Gulfstream IV, V, Challenger 601, 604, 800 and GLEX). :ok:

Any information at all on this would be very helpful (only from Europe please)! :)

Thanks,

Will :O

[Bumz_Rush]

The actual salary is only a small part of the package, in corporate aviation.
For example, are you home based, with 6 on 2 off, (JAR /135) or 7 on none off cowboys, or 2 months on 1 month off.
Two examples: G4 captain approx 10KUS, 3 weeks on 10 days off, travel home included, plus 100US per day away, perdiem. Europe based management company.
G4 captain, based Middle East 6500US per month, per diem only when flying, 6 on 2 off (JAR), living at base. Middle East operation, corporate. one rotation home per year, but accomodation paid.

I]Hostess, in same region, but different company 6500US also.[/I]

So why work for that company when they pay the cabin crew, (no reflection on the girls in question.) the same as the lead captain?????

Any further information from the rest of us out there would provide a matrix for reference to us all. So guys and Gals put pen to paper.

[JJflyer]

Europe based VIP B727 Capt 8000 USD, F/O and F/E 6000 USD a month + 110 a day when on the road. 30 days vacation a year, medical and all the usual benefits.

[doubleu-anker]

I believe Flexjet Europe, paid CL 601 pilots £70,000 and Lear 31 pilots £50,000.

Would have been interesting if they had not ceased operations and operated a corporate B747 for eg. Pound for pound the salary would have been sky high!!!:O :O :O

[Homer_J]

wow, think ill go work there....

air taxi work isnt even close, you're looking at about 20 - 25 k a year tops, and more likely, closer to 15k if its an aztec or something.
And generally you fly when you can as your more than likely hours building, so 7 on, an hour off.

Grand old fun though.

[airplanetalk]

whatever fleet you are in you will get an extra 15% if you are living in the UK !

[Will Rogers]

I appreciate the answers (although they're not many ;) )! Surely there must be more corporate pilot's then this out there??? :confused:

So come on... grab that keyboard and write! :}

Thanks again,

Will :D

[Flintstone]

Hey airplanetalk . That extra 15% is a great deal eh?

Tell you what, come and live in the UK, get paid the extra....

and then pay 40% income tax plus National Insurance.

Be keen to see how long you stay.

Why do you think all the Brits are talking about moving elsewhere?

Apologies for hijacking the thread Will

[Hwel]

uk C550 (couple of years ago)

Fo bout 22,000 stg year plus ?0„540 day
Capt 35,000 stg plus 40 day
4 weeks leave. supposed to be 5 and 2 but did bout 280 days total. so sometimes 10 and 2 sometimes do a day sit in hotel for 2 weeks.
small pension , no health plan or other benefits.

good fun, nice people. too much time away.

[airplanetalk]

flintstone I understand that the guys and girls had no choice in the matter. Whatever will the management do next !
You do chose where you live !

same apologies :cool:

[Bob Down]

Interesting question, Will.

However, we're seeing more and more 'Freelance' per day rates.

The question then is, what will people charge on a daily rate, and that appears to be market driven.

It is very interesting to see the difference in expectations between similarly skilled individuals!... depends on how hungry they are!!!

Be interesting to see what peoples views are on that!

BD

[overeasy]

Larger Biz Jet's (Gulfstreams, Falcon, Challengers)

Command 70-100K
Co-Jo 25-55K
Hosty 25 Upwards

Freelance 350-600 per day
If you are at the lower end of that there will usually be some kind of per diem too.

All figures are very approx and many fall outside the parameters on the low and top end depending on how good the company is.

[BBCapt]

How true, very market driven and with the current downturn hardly surprising that basic rates seem to have been rather static for years.

However, its also generally true that the higher qualified ( or perceived to be ! ) will attract higher rates by being in demand for specialist skills, eg TRE/IRE, ( those were the days ) other training, or management/consultancy experience.

Generally, the 'big' jump comes moving from Mid to Heavy Iron, there is a smaller gap between Light and Medium, and also the rarity of the species....not many drivers around...up go the rates for the job!

Lastly, don't be fooled into taking domestic USA figures and converting into Sterling/Euro, it just doesn't work!

[Bumz_Rush]

BBCapt has a valid point. Don't even convert US to Euro, cost of living, tax, and other little matters make the comparison difficult.

A UK based Medium Jet Capt, should expect as mentioned earlier circa 8000 stg per month, plus the various package deals.
A Chief Pilot, a differental of 1-2000 stg per month. (this is often be formulated as an annual bonus).
Co Jo, as listed, and hostis normally above the 25 quoted, nearer 35 for good corporate ones.
All the above exclude a per deim of circa 100-150US per day/night.

If based away, from home, either short or long time, and a duty rotation is required then between 1/1 or 2/1 month on off is normal. Paid regardless of on/off. Not like one major canadian management crewing operation, who pay peanuts, and only on days worked.


Now is not the time to demand large salary increases !!!!!!!

[Ella]

As a 757/767 Skipper with a background of GA and VIP corporate air taxi flying I was wondering what the chances were of giving up the night flights to the Greek Isles and swopping to a more prestigious clientel?

Current salary is around £70K with all the insurance trimmings and a generous company contribution to a money purchase scheme.

What chance do I have of jumping into the corporate world? I would be looking for some long haul style ops on a Global Express or G4 or higher.

I was led to believe some years ago that selection was based more on who you now in the business rather than experience.

Is getting a GB or G4 rating a good start?

Advice please!

[727 exec]

Some (many?) Corporate Operators are unwilling to look at Pilots from an Airline background...experience seems to suggest that it's not always a happy (or successful) move.

But if you've been in Corporate before, you'll remember how to carry VIP's bags........

[littletonyfokker]

Ella, you have mail.

[Itswindyout]

Well Will have you finished fishing, what was the catch...I trust you will pass back your finding to those of us who might be interested.....

Once again 727 is hotter on the trigger than what I is.

Baggage handling, toilet cleaning, and groveling are the key functions of a corporate pilot, carpet cleaning and climbing on wings are not optional.

The down side is worse.......staying in 5 star hotels weeks on end....sitting waiting thinking....not able to have more than one beer......dont even plan a day as a tourist.....

So why do we do it.....F$$K nose........but it is better than working for a living any day.......

If you are really lucky your first divorce will cost you all your pension, and insurance policies then you can really get a life.....and a sun tan....

[Ella]

Thanks for the replies.

I am the sort of Captain that goes to the front loo on a Boeing and actually cleans it up from the mess that the British working class leave behind. So shovelling **** is no problem!

I am a 'service orientated person'...for that read 'I like to give'.. the only catch is that I like someone to say thanks...sometime. So carrying bags, doing the extra approach, staying on duty that bit longer, etc etc is nothing new nor abhorent to me.

It's just that I am currently working for an Airline where I am no more than a machine to be exhausted as much as is legal and then replaced with a new unit. Also my airline runs a training system that seriously damages your health. Even as an experienced pilot you never know if you have a job next side of your sim ride!! And given a free choice the company are trying to turn us into Itinerant hourly paid freelancers. Frankly I want to reach retirement with a valid medical and that ain't going to happen if I stay where I am.

So, is there an operator that appreciates bloody hard work, good attitude, professionalism and flexibility? If so where do I find them..

Answers please.....:confused:

PS; I dont mind hotel stays as long as I take my laptop, and I'm already divorced!!

[Will Rogers]

Itswindyout (and everyone else),

I'm not done "fishing" yet as I'm sure that there is much more information out there to be gathered. I would however be glad to share whatever I get when I'm done.

So come on people!!! What is that little (or big ;) ) number on your paycheck? Has anyone taken paycuts recently due to S.A.R.S, etc.?

Always seem to get information from people operating the bigger jets (i.e. Challengers, Falcon 900/2000, etc.) but not the small and medium stuff. Surely someone must fly them as I see them move around all the time ;)

I would like type acft., type ops., monthly salary, per diem and benefits. Please! Only Europe!!! :)

I'll see ya'll around out there!

Will :)

[Bumz_Rush]

check your post

[Paterbrat]

Ella, had friend who was recently a 744 Capt and coming up for retirement due age joined special flight and got a G4 rating and almost a year on the plane before leaving. He did not find any corporate job and is now back as an F/O with an European 74 operator.
Rating will be expensive, prices vary but still enough to make the eyes water wherever you go, not to mention the airfares and accomodation, no garantee at the end of it. Operators vary enormously in their perks and pay and it is pure luck as to which one you might get on with. Present climate not great. You are flying and with a lot of guys being laid off, now not a good time to be on the market.

[Ella]

Thanks for all your replies and messages.

I am aware that jumping off the Titanic before it get's to the iceberg is a risky career move. So whatever is available would have to be worthwhile, and hopefully be backed well enough to see me through to retirement, but that would be asking too much of the GA world, as I remember only too well.

If anyone has any further information please feel free to let me know via the private messages link.

[Bumz_Rush]

Will R,

I think the reason only big boys reply is that big boys get big money, and are proud.......
Small boys are not proud.....
So I agree, small can be beautiful......so Im told......

[Bob Down]

Just when things were getting interesting!

What's the conclusion, Will?

Find any info of use?

BD

[bluesafrica]

As we know , salaries and benefits varies wildly in corporate world. I know a Falcon captain who makes €2500 per month as well as a captain who fly a similar airplane making €8500! Needless to say that this 2500 fellow is worked much harder...

Somehow I think that the medium salary today for a midsize bizjet is somewhere around €50.000 annually. Heavier types pay a little better, I guess. Co pilots get 60-70% of captain pay?
blues:p

[Pukka Pilot]

Hey Chaps....

Can anyone give me an idea of what salaries (approx - im not being nosy) for operating biz jets either single pilot or multi pilot for private operations. Something along the Lear 45/ Citation series aircraft.

Salaries, conditions, leave, availability, pension, medical loss of licence etc...etc....

Cheers

Steve

[High Viz Vest]

Captain or FO? I would say you could compare the salary to a regional airline possibly slightly better.

The rest depends on who you work for, leave can be standard 4 weeks sort of thing to 0, availability is usually 24/7 unless you are working for a large department with spare crews.

It really is that variable I'm affraid.

You just need to argue your case in the interview and ask for what you want, no point taking a job and not bieng happy with the T&C

[Pukka Pilot]

Yeah a position running an aircraft from start to finish,whether it be private 2 crew, or private single crew. Just tosee what benefits the industry standard is, such as pension, health care,etc ....

Thanks

[wondering]

ProPilot usually has a salary survey in its June issue. I think it´s somewhere online as well.

[Comical Ali]

I would estimate that 60K for Captain and 40K (pounds sterling)would be kind of average. Top of that normal insurance, per diems and car. If you get more be happy.

[Blu2]

Bugger, I must be doing something seriously wrong, my salary doesn't reflect that all. Definately LOWER:(
Blu

[High Viz Vest]

I guess Netjets may end up bieng the rule of thumb for companies when comparing salaries, and that is not a good thing as they seem to be on less than the average corporate or air taxi set up.

Just a thought.

[Thunor]

Hi all,
Information on what the airlines pay (either Capt. or F/O) is very readily available; however it is not so easy to find out about the rates of pay in the elusive world of corporate jet flying.
Would someone be kind enough to provide me with a idea of what typically a co-pilot (and Captain) on say a Citation could expect to earn(?)
Thanks in advance,

[erikv]

Take a look here: http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/operatorlist.php?reg=Europe

You'll find more info than I can sum up in one posting.

Erik.

[Thunor]

Yes thanks for that Erik. I am still hoping to hear from pilots actually doing the job - and sorry I should have said in the UK (I keep forgetting this is an international forum)

[erikv]

I can tell you from experience that the NJE copilot's salary listed is correct...

Erik.

[Thunor]

Thank you. I am still hoping to hear from someone who flys a Citation (or similar) owned by a Private/Public Limited Company rather than the likes of NJE, LEA, Gama etc.. I guess the pay must be comparable but as I don't know and I would prefer not to guess...

[Oluf]

What Kind of Citation( Jet, II, III, V, Bravo, Excel, VII, X), after all, there are claims that size matters.
:)
O

[Thunor]

To be honest Oluf I don't have a specific type in mind I'm just trying to get a general idea.
Perhaps I ought to explain a little more. I am an experienced yet presently unemployed Turboprop Captain. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by my failing attempts to re-enter this market. My lack of "currency" is proving to be a major obstacle with the airlines. I cannot consider - or rather they won't consider me - the airline jet operators for the same reason plus the fact that (aged 48) I am now far too old anyway!
I know that the corporate jet world is notoriously difficult to break into and I am just trying to ascertain if this is an option to me both as a career move and financially. Whilst if I am honest the corporate world appeals to me far more than the regional airlines (my Air Taxi days of flying piston twins still remains the most fun flying ever) the fact remains that IF I can get a Direct Entry Turboprop Command then I am once again earning 45-50k a year as opposed to ???? as a co-pilot on a business jet?

[PPRuNeUser0215]

Netjets is recruiting for the RHS. You can live anywhere you like (gateaway list available on their site plus some new one). Money as stated above.
Potential LHS quite quick (Although not garanteed).

You have to be current though.

Otherwise salaries vary greatly with the operator... I have heard 60/70 Ks for a RHS on Falcon based in the SW.
Then you had the beech 400 which used to be based at LBA. Horror stories went round such as cleaning the bosses car, filing invoices whilst not flying. Somehow I doubt the money was great either.

I expect the better jobs will be quite low profile ones.

[Thunor]

Thanks AMEX, much appreciated.
I would dearly love to fly for Netjets but as you say you have to be current and that's my problem - I'm not.:{
60/70k for the RHS! Now that would be nice!:D

[Pittspilot]

Hi Thunor,

F/O Euros 180/day freelance, or Euros 2000/month plus expenses depending on country as employed
CAP 180% that Rate. Little more on FAR 25. Including all recurrency checks on the company. Could be better, but met also much worse conditions. Usually u got to bring your first rating into the company.

PP

[Flintstone]

Thunor, when you say you're not current what exactly do you mean?

Could you get up to speed enough for a sim ride? If so why not aply to NJE? You don't need a type rating, chances are if you had one you'd go to a different fleet anyway.

You could do worse.

[flyingman]

Hi Thunor

I think the only way into biz jet flying is by way of recommendation, you have to get yourself known.

As for salarys, i think they vary considerably from Company to Company, but for say a small CitationJet, 40-55 for a Captain and 22-26 for a Co-Pilot.

Netjets maybe a good place to start, if you have 1500 hrs total, 500 multi, ATPL or frozen one and especially previous corporate experience. I have a few friends there and they are all very happy, there is also a fair amount on here about how the interviews are conducted, which all helps for a successful outcome.

Hope it helps.

Good luck with the job hunting.

By the way, how out of currency are you?

[ssg]

Pay for US Corporate Part 91 Capt should be about 55k+ to start- And will go up to as high as around 120k.

Copilots generaly get about 45k to start and probably cap at 70k

Contract captains can get from 350 to 1000 day
Copilots are 250day to about 500 day.

If the captain and copilots get less then this then they are being taken advantage of, have no quals or experience, or it's a part time 75 hr a year gig and the guy is doing it in a retirement thing.

SSG

[Arkwright]

LEA First Officers on the Excel earn between £30-£35k. :ok:

[Thunor]

Thanks for all the replies. Been away for a few days so not ignoring anyone. Will read, digest and reply as appropriate asap. In the meantime, What would you expect an Embraer Legacy co-pilot to be paid?

[Varnish]

I know a couple of operators pay between £35k and £40k for Legacy First Officers.:cool:

[Sepp]

LEA First Officers on the Excel earn between £30-£35k. :ok:

Can earn that - if they are happy to work days off, have their phones on 24/7, take everything that comes their way, and understand that wearing the right shoes is of utmost importance. ;)

[Dumbledor]

Can earn that - if they are happy to work days off, have their phones on 24/7, take everything that comes their way, and understand that wearing the right shoes is of utmost importance. ;)

Days off???? What are those??? Apart from those days you just HAPPEN not to be flying,
retrospectively, of course.........

D

[Sepp]

lol - it's funny 'cos it's true ... allegedly :)

[sylvester550]

Morning,
Could anyone advise on what a full time Captain on a UK based public transport Citation or Bravo might expect, as well as what perks that might include (loss of license insurance, holiday allowance). I've been free-lance so long I'm out of touch with the market. Any info on daily rates if free lance would be of help as well.
Thanks for any help offered.........

[Hasher]

Hi I would like to know the same for the right hand seat guys aswell pls.

Ta

[BD-100]

Try this:http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/ click on your region, all operators . In the details for each you should get a pretty good idea of salaries in your area.

Happy Hunting

[MrMutra]

Dont worry about salary , trying to get the work is the problem, if anyone knows of any work going pm me.

MrM

[skibeagle]

Mr Mutra, come and fly for me, I pay 2/- a week.

Get a grip on reality people !

[G-SPOTs Lost]

Captains 45k & £60-100 per day per diem should total around £55k on a Citation Bravo. Probably a little more if its an older II.
Maybe a little less in the North although the South is where ALL the work is right now.
Heard rumours of nearly £450 per day in the south for a Citation Captain, its not all such good news for co pilots though expect £25k to £28k for a guy with a couple of seasons in, early £20's for newbies.
Times are very good for Bravo & CII guys right now
If you are FAA & JAA rated especially 500/550/560 then don't sell yourself too short.
NJE pay 38k/65K small cabin FO/CAPT
Hope this is what you are looking for

[Itswindyout]

( captains) are charging 1500US per day for G5 and G550.

Plus business class travel ex USA, plus all expenses including 4-5 star hotels.

and getting it.

so price yourself right guys and gals..

Windy

[silverhawk]

Gspots figures for NJE are in Euros! Makes a big difference.

[G-SPOTs Lost]

:=
Gspots figures for NJE are in £Sterling, they do however include per diem.

[silverhawk]

Now it makes more sense. Mis-information is a dangerous concept!

[Fitter Hotel]

Check the last FI. A company is looking for Citation crews in the London area and I saw something about 75k Pounds... On biger jets you can ask for about 10.000€ a month plus per diem...

[wigwag]

Think this is just a bit of bluff

Got mates meeting the bench mark, but not even a phone call same with LEA where short of bodies but again no call. Perhaps they want to much money :confused:

ww

[g5tom]

On biger jets you can ask for about 10.000€ a month plus per diem...:sad:

FH, I think you got the wrong currency here. Going salary for a G5/550 Captain is around 10k-11k US$/month in Europe and Asia.

Cheers,

G5Tom

[chiaroscuro]

yes g5tom - sad at it is but looks like european long range pilots are selling themself way below what they should. heard about a european operator that enslaves his pilots for 6000 euro - they take low time and junior captains.....

neverless there is hope out there. if you are lucky enough you find an owner aircraft with a guy appreciating your skill and offering you around 150'000 US/year or more depending on how you count the insentives.

I consider myself very lucky and hope all of you guys will finally get what you deserve.

chiaroscuro

[Markus109]

Do you talk about Cirrus Aviation in Germany?

Greets

[Chally604]

For sure .. ;)

[matoto]

Please is it possible to have some more information about conditions with cirrus as F/O? (see above)
Thanks.:)

[ozzieb88]

hi can anyone tell me starting biz jet salaries in the UK?

cant seem to find much,

thanks

oz

[pepe73]

Italy, almost 5 years seniority in a falcon 900 as f\o: monthly 3000 euros and between 80 and 120 euros in duty days.

[Energetic Pilot]

Hey guys,


what salary (in EUROS, gross) may I expect as a PIC on a Ciation XLS in a charter operation??? Both, airline & executive aviation ecperience available.

Thnx for your help.

EP

[netjetter]

Hi there,

Well, obvioulsy depends on a lot of factors. If you are rated and experienced expect around 5000/month. If not around 4000. That´s for Germany. Salaries are relatively low here in this sector.

Depends very much on the company and your negotiation skills.

Corporate seems to be better paid than charter in Germany.

Don't just look at the salary but also consider the total package including roster, benefits and most importantly the professionalsm and safety standards of the operation.

For Comparison: In NetJets a captain makes around 7900/month gross which works out to about 5500/month net in Germany. The roster is 6/5 and the other details are on the website.

There are however no direct entry commands available.

You can make more money alsewhere, especially outside of Germany and flying larger planes (GV, Global Express, BBJ, ACJ and so on.) But it will be dificult to find a higher paying Excel job at least in Germany.

[His dudeness]

Corporate seems to be better paid than charter in Germany.
Definitely true.
Don't just look at the salary but also consider the total package including roster, benefits and most importantly the professionalism and safety standards of the operation.
wise words...I was with a southwestern german operator, paid not that bad, (5500€ on a CIII - comparable to the 560XL) but all the rest...
they are changing the fleet from C650 to 560XL/XLS. Very high staff turnover - which tells you probably what you need to know.

[wondering]

Imho you should not accept anything below 5k/month regardless if you are rated or not. And dont accept 24/7 stand-by! Looks like some companies have a hard time filling left seats. Dont sell yourself below your market value :ok:

[LearjetGA]

i know of the new salary for a big austrian operator:
4500 14 times a year plus per diem.
Type Rating paid and direct command possibilities.

Roster is 24 on six off and 25 days of vacation. Based in VIE, Cannes or in a Baltic Country...

Bye

[orangedriver]

24 on and WHAT off?!?!? 6?! You are joking, right? Think I sent in an application to the same job, but got a "Thanks but no thanks" back. Now I know why.:mad:

As someone said earlier, don´t sell yourself for peanuts, there are better deals around.....

/orange

[lharle]

Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a salary for an FO in a GA job is very good.
Even if you are on 24/6
It is not that bad.
I would like to be in the same type of deal.

[orangedriver]

Iharle - as I understand (from the initial post) it this would be for a left seat...:mad: I know for a fact that there are companies out there offering E 5000 + /month basic pay for experienced FOs...and that on A LOT better rosters then the 24/6 mentioned here. That should give you some idea of what to expect, ask for.

/orange

[Energetic Pilot]

so you mean to ask for 6000€+ ?

[Pittspilot]

Hi, the market here in Germany is also improving!!

Last month there was an ad stating Euro 6500/month for a CJ PIC in Speyer, which might be handled with CPL/IR. Euro 5000/month seems to be the standard now, including 14/17 days of duty plus daily allowance, medical and required courses. Extra days vary between 150 und 250 / per day.

Roaster seems to be different everywhere you ask. IMHO if you do a good job and are standing firm you have more manoeuvring space to adjust your schedule.

Mit Hals- und Beinbruch

Pittspilot

[erikv]

As netjetter said there are no direct entry positions with NetJets. But upgrades can be quick and the FO salary is close to 5K gross as well...

Erik

[Deccor]

Can anyone shed any light on pay scales for a Capt and F/O on a mid/small biz jet doing about 300 hours per year? UK based.
Many Thanks
Deccor.

[Phil Brockwell]

CE525, Captain 45-50, FO 25

Phil

[1Bingo]

I fly Hawker 800 XP at £5000 / month retainer
I fly Citation Bravo £300 / day freelance
Captain both platforms
Cheers

[max.aret]

I fly a Hawker 850XP from the right hand seat, 2 weeks on / 2 off, 5.500 EUR a month. For freelance work I charge 400 EUR a day. I think that is about the maximum you can get for that kind of airplane.

[Flintstone]

There's a UK operator paying £400 per day for a C550 captain.

However the words 'touch', 'bargepole' and 'don't' spring to mind. Something like five full time captains fired or walked away in the last year. I hear they weren't sufficiently 'commercially minded' if you get my drift? :hmm:

[solent]

Solent, l heard it might be as much as £600 per day but l stand to be corrected, pretty sure we are on about the same outfit! :rolleyes:

[pringlesking]

Hey Guys,

Is any of you guys farmiliar with working "full-time Freelance".

I have been offered a position in Europe. Working under a sort kind of freelance contract for one company only, but still I will receive a minimum amount of days paid (even if I am not flying).

The contract seams very reasonable for me on the first view.
I need to arrange my own taxes, personal insurances, pension, etc, etc.

Are any of you working under such contract and how have you made your arrangements and in which country are you paying tax????????

I thank you guys for your kind attention and friendly reactions.

Pringlesking!!

[Smeagel]

Freelance contracts such as you describe are quite common and although terms and conditions vary you are almost always liable for your own taxes etc.

Without knowing the specifics of your particular contract it would be difficult to comment further.

[aviat]

Could anyone tell me what is the average salary of pilots (especially) FO's in business aviation in Europe. I would be very grateful if guys from Jet Alliance from Vienna and NetJet Europe would replay.
Secondly, is there are anyone who has dear to speak about pilots right in eastern Europe, which are often forced to fly under paid and under the rules of "take it or leave it".
Help guys.

[pilotarosa]

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HI don't want to sounds rude but have you ever done any search?
If I would want to know about the salary of Netjets Europe i would....umm...lets see...I got it MAYBE, but just MAYBE....I would go to Netjets website and then maybe click on career...read everything and maybe I will notice that it´s all there...written in black and white...clear as the sun
Option 2...maybe I would visit a site as ppjn where it´s written every single salary in the world

Option 3 if after i have done all this I still haven´t found what I am looking for I would ask

HOPE THIS HELP :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Ps I though that having a little bit of initiative was quite an essential caratheristic in avaition