bmi ban ciggie lighters

[ThomasTank]

Whats the story????? bmi ban all ciggie lighters accept zippo type.... no other lighters allowed o/b any a/c ... zippo lighters only ones allowed o/b and only if they are carried in passengers pockets????!!!!!!!!!!!??. .. .Why is this?. .. .Are other airlines following suit?. .. .Why are airport security authorities not enforcing this?. .. .Is it an airline-specific rule?. .. .where will it end?. .. .only naked pax allowed..... .. .after rectal examination that is.....???. .. .and if it is for security and safety of the crew...? how come bmi transatlantic crew carry corkscrews to un-pop vino? why do they still serve drinks in "glass" glasses??? surely they should be plastic? . .. .what the hale and pace is going on????. .. .Comments?

[PaperTiger]

Aimed at those cheapo Spanish disposables given to the punters with the duty-frees, prone to spontaneious combustion. Discussed it here last year <a href="http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=013443&p=" target="_blank">http://www.pprune.org /cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=013443&p=</a>. .. .Bit of a sweeping prohibition though, other models (Bic etc.) are perfectly safe.. .. .(edited for spelling - still doesn't look right !). . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 21:31: Message edited by: PaperTiger ]</small>

[Airbus215]

The Actual text displayed at bmi check in is . .. ." Cigarette Lighters". .. ."Lighters with a flammable liquid reservoir containing unabsorbed liquid fuel are not. .permitted on one's person nor in checked or carry on baggage.. .. .Lighter fuel and re-fills are not permitted.. .. .If you are in any doubt about the type of lighter you have with you, Please do not bring it on to the aircraft.". .. .unquote.. .. .The crucial phrase being "unabsorbed liquid fuel". .. .GAS FUEL LIGHTERS ARE NOT EFFECTED BY THIS .

[King Muppet]

This is standard stuff from the Dangerous Goods Technical Instructions (ICAO) and is pretty much the policy of every operator.. .. ."Items which, although classed as dangerous goods, can be carried by passengers or crew members ... Safety matches or a lighter for the person's own use and when carried on him. 'Strike anywhere' matches, lighters containing unabsorbed liquid fuel (other than liquified gas), lighter fuel and lighter refills are not permitted."

[Arkroyal]

AB215. .. . </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> The crucial phrase being "unabsorbed liquid fuel". . </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">It would seem that the rule is being interpreted to include the unabsorbed liquid gas in disposable gas lighters.. .. .What does the rule actually mean? Give up smoking, and tha problem disappears <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[P.Pilcher]

Oh dear - this is going to get very technical! The problem hangs on whether the fuel stored in gas lighters is a gas or a liquid. Well in fact, as we all know it is a gas which is stored at high pressure at room temperature and under the laws of Physics that means that it liquefies. It's got to be a liquid because it has a surface. Now, argue all you like, but you can bet that some highly trained hostie or "jobsworth" will not even understand the nicities of this and whether your lighter does in fact contain gas or liquid fuel - they will nick your expensive Ronson (so that they can have a crafty one in the galley on turnaround) and you will never see it again. As has just been said - give up smoking, problem disappears! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[spannerhead]

The cabin crews preflight spiel states that lighters must be carried on the person and not in the overhead lockers.. .I don't think anyone would be subjected to having their bags searched. Wouldn't mind a body search though!!

[Carlos20]

ThomasTank. .. .With regard to the bmi ban on ciggie lighters, this has been brought into effect due to the influx into the U.K. of cheap lighters from Spain etc. which are free when a carton of cigarettes are bought. . .. .The problem with these lighters are that they are prone to leaking due to the naff quality and also many of them are of the electric igniton variety, which can self ignite if baggage is knocked for any reason.. .. .When unattended ie. in a locker, where it cannot be directly monitered the implications of this can be quite serious and none of us wish to have fire on board an aircraft.. .. .Under the United Kingdom Law under the Air Navigation (Dangerous Goods) Regulations 1984 it statesunder the article Matches and Lighters:-. .. .(Quote). .. .Book matches only may be carried on the person and never in checked baggage as they pose a fire risk. 'Stike Anywhere' matches are not permitted on board the A/C either in checked or carry-on baggae. Lighterfuel, lighter refills and lighters containing unabsorbed liquid fuel are prohibited'. .. .sorry to quote regulations but I hope this clarifies this for you.. .. .With regards to your comments about corkscrews these are loaded in secure containers onto the A/C under lock and key and once used are returned to said stowages. and if you can think of any other way of opening a bottle of wine which has a cork in it without using a corkscrew I am open to your suggestions!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> As to you comments regarding 'glass glasses' can you consider the total implications if you ban glass from on board an aircraft!! how many businesses and industries are affected! consider how much glass can be brought on board an aircraft by passengers which solely bought in an airport! let alone what can be brought into the airport from elsewhere! what do you do sayy sorry but tata to the glass making industry!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> . .. .I <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> await YOUR comments!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> . .. .Back from the Great blue Yonder and ORD once again!!. .. .Galley King

[singleacting]

I am not in the know BUT might this be some thing to do with SEPT. 11 When knives were hidden in ciggy lighters?

[Icarus2001]

Following on down this path.... .. .My recent jaunt overseas included using a plastic knife. Apparently a metal fork is okay and the two bottles of duty free are safe but the knife is a no no.. .. .As to the above assertion that the corkscrew was kept under lock and key, yeah, on the bench in the galley with the FA's attention elsewhere.. .. .Shoelaces? Where do you stop? Seems to me the plastic knife is a bit pathetic.

[PaperTiger]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">SEPT. 11 When knives were hidden in ciggy lighters?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Huh ? Must have been b****y big lighters. A sheathed boxcutter does resemble a lighter though. perhaps that's the origin of this idea.

[Captain Speeking]

No they were not bxxxxy big. They were normal size with an extending blade inside. The blade was undetectable (when stowed) except when screened by the latest machines.. .. .If I knew how, I would post a picture here.. .. .C.S.

[PaperTiger]

The reports of 'cigarette lighters' came from the cellphone calls on UA93 (see <a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/terrornet/print/sbhijack.htm" target="_blank">http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/terrornet/print/sbhijack.htm</a> ). The passengers were obviously extremely distressed and few would have had a close view of the weapons. If unfamiliar with boxcutters, the Pacific brand looks almost exactly like a Zippo, and even makes a similar sound when opened.. .. .Show me some definitive proof of lighter knives and I'll willingly retract, but there are enough wild theories about that terrible day without perpetuating another.