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Oxford1G
5th Nov 2002, 19:16
Does anyone have any papers, or reference material with respect to paper-less cockpits?
Has anyone written a paper on the subject, that i could have a look at?

Thanks

P.s I know about the airbus site

Intruder
5th Nov 2002, 21:56
P.S. Paperless papers, preferably.

4PON4PIN
6th Nov 2002, 12:57
At the 6th Annual Flight Training Symposium held in Seville a few weeks ago,a presentation was given by Mike Barger of Jet Blue Airways and Cor Blokzijl of Aero lloyd entitled "Paper-less Airline". According to the programme, Cor's e-mail is given as
[email protected]
Airbus produced a CD of the various presentations which was given to all delegates, so I would suggest an e-mail to Cor would be a good starting point.
Good Luck

:)

Lu Zuckerman
6th Nov 2002, 14:04
What about the paper producing fax machine in the A-320 and quite possibly other Airbus aircraft?

:cool:

Self Loading Freight
6th Nov 2002, 23:11
Can't come too soon, says the man who was once stuck baking in an AA 747 for two hours because "the laser printer's not working".

But it's unlikely to happen. I don't know of a single workplace made paperless through technology -- quite the opposite. Our publishing company gave up producing magazines and became a website (yeah, I know. We don't like to talk about it, OK?). We're using far more paper now than we ever did...

R

captchunder
8th Nov 2002, 15:04
Try
http://www.airbus.com/pdf/customer/fast27/p15-26.pdf

Frequent SLF
8th Nov 2002, 15:55
Try search terms "electronic flight bag" and "skypad". I believe that United Airlines were trialling something called skypad on their A320s; electronic flight bag work is apparently well advanced with several companies.

Justin Case
9th Nov 2002, 23:07
There was a thread about this a little while ago in Biz Jets and G.A.

I think the subject was "electronic flight bags"

PAXboy
10th Nov 2002, 19:44
It will happen and probably the PDA route. Load up with data in the briefing, plug it into flight deck systems, then reverse the sequence at the end. It could then update your log book and so forth.

The problem is the airline to invest the money to trial it and sort out all the bugs. That takes big dosh - not so much the hardware as the human beings from IT and Flight Ops to integrate it and make it all work.

It also takes a CEO to tell the shareholders to pay up as it will bring savings across the following ten years. The City only want savings in the next ten days ... :mad:

Another thing that will drive it, is a WHOLE generation of flight crew that grew up with computers and gameboys and keyboards, rather than pen and paper.

Finally, a regulatory system (FAA/CAA) that believes that the new electronic system will not either cause a prang or, if one occurs, cause them to be blamed. :rolleyes:

Slick
12th Nov 2002, 09:42
Jeppesen have some useful material on this subject. Also back in June the FAA put out an AC on this (Electronic Flight Bag) EFB, this outlines the three classes of EFB and what you can and can't do with your EFB. This AC is under constant review due to the fact EFB is a relitivly new thing. The airlines are pushing the various authorities for EFB.

Anyway FAA web site, check out AC 120-76.

Best Rgds

noatak
15th Nov 2002, 22:58
@ oxford 1G:

I have some nice infos concerning the Airbus LPC (less paper cockpit), wich I can e-mail you. Plks e-mail me at: [email protected]

Finaly after the introduction of LPC the "only" paper doc remaining on the flight deck should be the AFM and QRH

All docs like FCOM, MEL or Company OM will be available on a laptopstyle computer on the flightdeck. This computer will also be used to prepare the loadsheet and for calculating takeoff performence as well as any required in flight performance calculations, e.g. landing wights.
Furthe this computer might finaly be used for an electronic route manual.

If you would ad a good self briefing system, infos like windcharts, sigwx charts, METAR, TAF, NOTAM and othe flight info might be carried on a floppy disk and be viewed using the compure on the flight deck.
At this final stage only the operational flight plan might be the only paper you bring along from the briefing.

You see it is possible to save tons of paper.

Not Invented Here
15th Nov 2002, 23:02
You can also try www.coredata-uk.com/core_wing.asp for details on electronic tech logs

Hand Solo
16th Nov 2002, 00:17
It's possible to have a paperless cockpit on an A320, but is it desirable? It's very easy to have technology for technologys sake but as a very computer-literate person I much prefer to have a paper manual I can get my hands on in a hurry, and I'd rather have 6 manuals spread across the glareshield than be juggling six windows on my laptop trying to find the information I need. Everybody knows how a book works, not everybody knows how a laptop works and in high pressure situations I don't want to extract my laptop (company property, billable for damage), boot it up, access the appropriate page then find I get the Windows 'blue screen of death'. Give me paper any day.

noatak
16th Nov 2002, 12:08
I worked with both the paper version and the LPC concept on the A320. For my person I definetly prefere the LPC.

To eliminate the booting problem of the laptop or equivalent computer, they must be operative during the entire flight, but may be in a standby mode wich allows a very quick access to the data required within only a couple of seconds.

If the computer is running you have quick access to all required parts of the FCOM and there are a lot of links within the A&E procedures for example.
Its right that we as pilots must know how to operate these tools but if you are trained I think it's very easy and simple and quite fast.

PAXboy
16th Nov 2002, 15:05
It was because of the problems of booting and stability of the Windows O/S, that I said 'PDA'.


These have a far more stable operating system as they were designed for a particular job from the start. Windows is designed to do things between the computer (DOS) and the applications. It adds extra comlexity and cannot possibly be stable with all applications.

I expect that we shall see laptops with their 'windows' fine tuned for the application and then no other application allowed on it. This can work.