PIA hiring temporary 777 pilots

[GF-A330]

Hi. .. .Just heard that PIA are in the final stages with the purchase of 4 BA 777's and are currently on the lookout for temporary 777 pilots.

[JustAnother777Driver]

At last, now it all makes sense. BA Keep their -400's online and sell the 'A-market' series 777's. The only question (speaking as a BA 777 driver) is how many hulls are leaving the fleet and how many crews are now going to be directed elsewhere... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

[aviatorpk]

What about PIA Drivers ???

[SuperRanger]

JustAnotherDriver,. .. .Did you hear anything about BA 777 pilots being seconded to Asiana in Seoul?. .. .SR

[Tandemrotor]

GF A330. .. .And how much are they paying?

[akerosid]

Doesn't BA have five A model 772s? They hardly want to be left with one, so surely in due course, PK could be persuaded to take the fifth one?

[Donkey Duke]

Wow, this sounds like a great deal. I know the region over there is really stable----just ask Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearle----oh yeah, he's dead. Who would want to take a tour. .of duty over there right now? I don't think the Pakistanies like anyone from Western Civilization---Britts, Aussies, and certainly NOT Americans.. .. .Oh yeah, someone like Tandemrotor might do it for the right price. Yeah, OK Rambo. You go stud!. .You may finally get your 777 Command---but you'll. .have to fly out of Islamabad or Karachi to get it.. .Sell out!. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[ajaydg]

with the sanctions lifted..it appears some of the funds are now trickling down to the state owned airline....but will it improve the service and reliability of the carrier? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

[Tandemrotor]

Hi Donkey D. .. .Do you have an e-mail address?. .. .Mine is available to you, if you click on my profile. How about we trade insults privately instead of boring 10,000 ppruners?. .. .You know, we might even get along!

[Donkey Duke]

Tandemrotor,. .. . Nah, I like doing it on PPRUNE. You kind of scare me, like a stalker. My point was that I think it's not the best time to go over to Pakistan and fly, even 777's. But hey, if you want to go over there and fly, then it's all good.. .If you want to get kiddnapped, that's your choice----it's all good. Snap! Take it easy!. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[M.Mouse]

Then why not make your point in a courteous manner?

[Donkey Duke]

M.Mouse,. .. . Well, I just thought it was absurd that anyone would be willing to put themselves in the line of fire just to fly a 777. The death of Daniel Pearle is big news over here in the States, and it doesn't sound safe in Pakistan. And, a playful jab at Tandemrotor isn't all bad----and he knows it's just in fun---heck, he consistantly slammed me on the AA/BA deal, and I didn't take it personally. (Not really---darnit!) I enjoy reading these posts and inserting what little wisdom I have every now and again. . .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[LAVDUMP]

M.Mouse,. .. .Why don't you chill out! Donkey Duke makes some occasional good points. We shouldn't all have to speak Queen's English to fit in.... .. .Personally, I think flying a 777 temporarily for PIA wouldn't be that bad so long as extra security could be provided... Any chance to fly the 777 would be worth it. I am sure the routes flown would be interesting - a chance to mix up the routine a bit.... .. .I wonder what the PIA pilots would think of the situation - you would probably need security from jealous PIA pilots! Watch out!. .. .Ciao

[wonderbusdriver]

slightly off topic... DD:. .. .Pakistan ain´t much more dangerous now for Westerners, than it´s been the last, say, 5-6 years. . .Please don´t tell me a poor (and I truly mean that!!) journalist had to die, for you to realize, what´s going on there.. .. .What about the civilian drivers going into Kabul these days?. .. .We´re all wh@res (or "mercernaries" if you will) more or less, aren´t we, rendering our services to the highest possible bidder if necessary.

[M.Mouse]

Donkey Duke and Lavdump. .. .I was not suggesting that DD was not making valid points or that everybody should endeavour to use the Queens English, although heaven knows the standard of grammar and spelling (non-native speakers are, of course, excused) would have my late english teacher turning in his grave. My point was that many valid and interesting thoughts are lost in the presentation. So many posts come across as aggressive, patronising, childish or just plain abusive.. .. .Bearing in mind the WORLDWIDE and vast readership of this forum it can be of little suprise that pilots are often viewed in such a poor light.. .. .Whatever has happened to manners and courtesy? On second thoughts don't answer that.

[bugg smasher]

Donkey Duke,. .. .There are many men and women here on this forum who fly in and out of places that make Karachi seem a walk in the park by comparison, perhaps those who operate in certain parts of Africa and East Asia may assist you in comprehending. As for Karachi itself, a brief perusal of virtually every major European airline timetable will show that Pakistan is visited with some regularity, and given the usual survival precautions taken by all aircrew, considered not only a normal layover, but quite safe as well. The proximity of war is nothing new (even bumps the load factor in some instances,) you might want to go there yourself for a look-see, get some valuable experience under your belt. Life is not all CNN and burgers dude.. .. .Lady Mouse,. .. .As a struggling student of both the American and British modes of expression, I generally find that the American prefers to place direct emphasis on the intent of the message, whereas the Brit will go to great lengths in making said delivery palatable not only to the ear (if indeed hearing has taste), but to the more refined of sensibilities as well. Why this is so is cause for further speculation. I myself find much of value in both methods, and tend to concentrate more on the very interesting spaces between the words. The intelligence, experience and wisdom of the speaker appears to reside rather more in what s/he chooses not to say.

[Donkey Duke]

Bug Smasher,. .. . Well, I have flown to a lot of places that were absolutely "third world"----New York's laGarbage and Miami Intl are good examples here. .in the States. I've also experienced Quito, (Ecuador), Bogota, Lima, Bucharest(Romania),. .and the worst of all Mexico City. No, I haven't . .flown extensively throughout Africa, and besides. .South Africa, I really don't know if I want to.. .My whole point was that it may not be a good time to go to Pakistan right now--for anyone. That is also probably true for certain areas in Africa.. .Bogota is another one to scratch off your list.. .You probably get my point.. .. .And to the guy or girl slamming me on my proper. .grammar usage-----you need a hobby or a member of the opposite sex to help you now. Why would people other than pilots read this forum? Do you read truck driver forums? Do you? I am sure my bad grammar isn't alienating anyone from this forum. Get a life.. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[spannersatcx]

The a/c they are getting are UA ones parked up in the desert and not BA ones <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[Cosmo]

I read this forum frequently and I 'm not a pilot. As to the reasons why,well, I'll keep that to myself. . .. .Cosmo

[Aerienne]

I myself have grown up in a region that was perceived to be a pretty dangerous region and kept many visitors, particularly Americans, away. When I first moved away to study I was shocked by the amount of people who kept telling me what a dangerous and murderous place I came from. Of course this knowledge was not gained by first hand experience, but rather from the media, and in particlar televised news. A rather ironic statistic I enjoyed recounting was that there were on average more murders in one square mile of Washington,DC in one year than in my whole country in five!. .Yes the death of Mr. Pearl was horrific and senseless, nothing can excuse it. And yes if has been all over the US media, probably in no small part due to his profession. But please, making your travel plans based on CNN and other dubious news sources, is blinkered to say the least.

[M.Mouse]

bugg smasher. .. .OK 1 - 0 to you.. .. .DD. .. .QED

[HOVIS]

I am also not a pilot but I enjoy reading these posts as pilots generally have a more open view of the industry than my own profession.. .. .As for the spelling and grammer, if you think this is bad have a look at <a href="http://www.airmech.co.uk" target="_blank">www.airmech.co.uk</a>. .now that is bad!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

[aviatorpk]

PIA is paying one of the lowest pay to it pilots in the region

[Donkey Duke]

Cosmo,. .. . Good for you. You sound like an introvert.. .. .M.Mouse,. .. . krod. (That is DORK backwards). .. .Yes, I am sure PIA doesn't pay very well, and the food is lousy. But, a used BA 777 is waiting for you to fly it----if someone wants it.. .. .And for those of you who aren't pilots, I think it is good you are on this forum. Besides being a pilot, I enjoy aviation as a whole, too.. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[bugg smasher]

Now that you mention it, Donkey Duke, it is an interesting point you bring up. Many Pakistani gentlemen share the very same tender feelings as yours, they prefer not to be in Karachi. Ask any cab driver at La Guardia. A perplexing situation is it not?. .. .So let’s take a quick vote; anyone ever had any significant problem at all laying over in Karachi, Quito, Bogota, Lima, Bucharest, or Mexico City? (Bash away at NYC if you like, you’re just jealous)

[Donkey Duke]

Bugg Smasher,. .. .Hmmmmm. Well, what would you think if the hotel van driver had to carry a weapon to protect the incoming and outgoing crews? How about when the van driver has to take different driving routes to and from the airport to the hotel because of potential threats to the crews. All of those places had that exact situation. So why do it?. .It's called being on reserve. And, the airline makes plenty of dough on the pax because those pax are probably the "elite" of that country because they can actually afford a plane ticket.. .Have you ever been to any of those cities? I'm sure you have had some of those same types of situations. You know what they say....the best words to hear in Mexico City is "Contact Departure." Take it easy.. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[skiver]

Donkey Duke... I suggest that you get a bit more worldwide experience than North and South America before you shoot your mouth off and expose your ignorance. You will soon learn that the media paints far more of a black picture than actually exists... anything else wouldn't be news worthy. I frequently visit supposed hell holes in Africa, Asia and South America and can guarantee that one will find a more friendly welcome there than a lot of "civilised" Western destinations.

[Huck]

I'd take Quito over KORD any day. Or Varicopas. Or Santiago. Or Dubai. Only place I ever got scared was Lagos. Most of the rest of the world is a blast. Just brush your teeth with bottled water!. .. .Bogota is looking sketchy recently - we had a crew button up an empty plane and get out of there last week. Seems they saw all the cargo personnel leaving the area and thousands of troops deploying around the field.

[Donkey Duke]

Skiver,. .. . Hey dumb@ss, re-read my statement. I had Bucharest (ROMAINIA) in there----and that was because I said it was like a third world country. I guess I just flew there direct from the States and then flew directly out of there, right? Wrong---you bonehead. I have flown all over Europe----Frankfurt, London, Wein, Salzburg, Munich, Budapest, Belgrade (Which is another "hole" I didn't include) Paris CDG, Rome, Milano, Barcelona, and Madrid. . .. .So how about you MR. Skiver? Ever seen North or South America? Are you flying for EASY and never will? That is what I thought. . .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[Donkey Duke]

MR. Skiver,. .. . Ooops, I had to re-read yours and found out that you do see a lot of the world---well good for you. But that doesn't mean other people do not. Talk about arrogance----let me guess--you fly for BA? Hmmmmm. Well, I could talk about you guys being afraid to let other American airlines fly and compete out of LHR, but I won't.. .I could talk about BA falling apart financially,. .but I won't. I don't want to spread the "I know it all because I fly 747's around the world mentallity" around. Remember Skiver, you may be lucky to see what you see, but it all may be pulled out from under you in a second---so instead of gloating, try reflecting. You may be back flying Shorts Skyvans with rubber dog sh@t in the cargo hold between Guernsey and Liverpool . .someday soon.. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke (I fly "Heavy jets" too, you bonehead!) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[mutt]

DonkeyDuke,. .. .Just what is your problem with Pakistan? Why are you blaming them for the present world problems? Dont you think that its time for you guys in the USA to look in the mirror!. .. .Mutt.

[AP]

PIA are paying their pilots lousy pay because they are trying to save money and bring the airline into profit the pilots know this and recently PIA have been doing well. Secondly at the moment Pakistan is quite safe and it is not dangerous or risky to fly in or out of Pakistan. I flew last month to Pakistan with PIA and the amount of security checking i had to go through was much much more than what i went through at LHR. They even had army men armed with guns standing at the door of the aircraft in Pakistan!. .What happened to Daniel Pearl was tragic and out of order but he was a journalist and these things happen, im sure it's happened to other journalists around the world before.

[Donkey Duke]

Mutt,. .. . What? All I am saying about Pakistan is that it might not be a good idea for Westerners to go there right now due to the current turmoil in the region. You don't agree with that? You haven't been watching the news lately? Most pople in Pakistan don't like people from the U.S., Britian,. .or other Westernized countries. (According to recent Gallup polls) But, they like our money. . .. .And Mutt, what is your problem? You come off a little hostile. You also must have some internal problems. If you re-read my initial post, you will discover that I was just stating that working in Pakistan right now might be a little risky for westerners. Then you go off on a weird tangent saying the U.S. is to blame for the world's problems. You want us to look in the mirror? What? Why? You are just jealous. Please, don't go away mad, just go away!. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

[bintoo]

DONKEY DUKE I AM ON YOUR SIDE BUDDY ALL THE WAY,AND JUST FOR INTEREST I AM NOT AN AMERICAN!

[Donkey Duke]

Thanks sevenfourseven, atleast somebody understands what I mean. No disrespects to . .any Pakistanies, I just don't think it's safe right now for any Westerners to go over there until everything settles down. Am I wrong?. .Not to worry, it's all good! Snap!. .. .Thanks. Donkey Duke <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />