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Just wondering how they are going? They have been operating the Brisbane to Rocky route for over a month so how are the load factors? Have the loads picked up on the Brisbane to Gladstone route yet?
Any news on when or if anymore F100's are due? Is it true they may lease a Fokker 50 from Skywest, it so what is the future for the E120?
One final question, when will they get a web page that is Alliance Airlines and not Flight West?
topend3
24th Sep 2002, 08:35
i believe they may be signing a lease on one of Skywest's F50's , and have plans to aquire more of the F100's as there are a number of cheap used examples lying around. I think they will go quite well, and have plans to expand services back into Darwin and Alice, routes they flew prior to the collapse of Ansett, they also have a bit of charter work on the go and are using the F100's on contract to the adf doing troop changeover Townsville-Darwin_Dili and return starting middle of October. as for the website they must be changing over soon you would think???
Rayford Steele
24th Sep 2002, 08:59
They appear to be struggling a bit on the Norfolk Island run with the F100's. They were to commence a Sydney/Norfolk Island service on 7th September to operate on Saturday & Sundays.
Startup date is now 28th September and then only on Saturdays.
From Brisbane they appear to be hauling a lot of day trippers.
On Sundays after they arrive on Norfolk Island from Brisbane they have to startup again and go an park on the end of the non-jet runway to allow ANZ/NJE flights in, and then at on Sunday evening startup again and taxi back to the terminal.
I hate to think of the maintenance cost of all those engine starts. :confused:
dirtylittlefokker
25th Sep 2002, 11:21
NSCA
Going very well. Have got QF and VBs attention.
NJ closing Rocky base, why?
Load factors climbing very well.
But I think that it is all happening in the background.
As B & T says"watch this space":D :D
From what I've heard and seen the load factors are climbing.
A few weeks back I was talking to one of the Alliance check-in staff and they said passenger feedback has been very positive, with most pleased to have some competition back.
I think one the problems they have at the moment is they don't have enough F100's, but I hear that could be fixed soon:p
VH-AJC
27th Sep 2002, 06:58
Alliance have just released their new website at www.allianceairlines.com.au
bjm367-80
29th Sep 2002, 09:14
Alliance will also be doing the Argyle Diamond mine contract, transporting workers from Perth to ADM, two or three flights a week I believe.
Over the last 2 days they have operated the Sunshine Express flights to HBA due to Sunshine's Shed going U/S.
Updraft
2nd Oct 2002, 00:18
Possibly a first yesterday. The entire fleet together on tarmac at BNE. F100s going to RK and TL, Brasilias to GLA and also HBA and MYB for Sunshine Express.:)
sexkitten118
2nd Oct 2002, 05:18
When does the new F100 arrive for the Argyle contract?? Do they need f/a's in perth or are they going to be using skywest girls??;)
sexkitten.
A plane load of miners as randy as scrub bulls. Every girls nightmare.
Updraft
24th Oct 2002, 13:37
Another thread has an article from 'The Australian' indicating Alliance Airlines is using T2 at Sydney. Does the reporter have some "inside info" on possible future ops?
Dirty Little Fokker------- maybe your little wager will be a winner!!!;) ;) ;)
rescue 1
25th Oct 2002, 08:06
Who got the job as Check and Training manager that was advertised a while back??
No worries mate
6th Nov 2002, 07:47
Alliance are in for a big shock when Virgin Blue start operating on the Brisbane to Rockampton run. Virgin Blue will commence Rocky before the year is out.
Alliance may not need anymore Fokker's.
topend3
7th Nov 2002, 07:59
ah...virgin to start rocky-brisbane runs daily, from december fares starting at $79 should make things interesting for alliance...
The Check and Training Manager position was given to an ex-
Ansett A320 Capt.
No time on the F100, therefore he is up in Korea doing the
conversion.
Why was this position not filled from within? The F100 has been
around for awhile now, surely one of the current checkies would
meet the requirements.
Wirraway
7th Nov 2002, 09:16
from Sydney airport message board:
Just landed BNE at 1910 local.This aircraft will be deployed to the West by monday.
Stick Pusher
7th Nov 2002, 09:49
Wirraway,
I think you'll find that the F-100 that arrived in Bne at that time is Skywest's 1st F-100 (VH-FNY) that arrived from its ferry from Europe. It's getting some final touches before going over to the west to take over from FWI's position that has been on loan for the week, hence the F-50(FNH) that has been doing a week's work for Alliance. It's Skywest who has directly leased the aircraft, it's nothing to do with Alliance. Skywest is just using the Alliance AOC and crews till such time that Skywest train their people and gets their own AOC for it.;)
Alliance need to act fast or they will be gone in 6 months. The average Joe Bloggs on the streets of Brisbane have no idea who they are. Their Brisbane terminal set up doesn't help either their passengers are required to go through Qantas or Virgin Blue secruity . Qantas wants the centre terminal and BAL will give it to them. Qantas are killing them on Gladstone and Rocky and now they have Virgin to contend with. Whatever route they start Virgin will follow.
Lots more F100's on the way!
Alliance will be operating on Virgin routes very soon!
Advertising campaign about to start, along with more new routes.
Alliance are looking at purchasing the Ansett Merlin system!
topend3
8th Nov 2002, 07:11
hmmm wonder how long this alliance caper will last myself, not much room for three carriers on some of those routes and with vb starting on bne-rok as well now they are going to start hurting. saw the same with impulse, some markets just aint big enough for 3!!!
Dehavillanddriver
8th Nov 2002, 07:37
Why in gods name would Alliance want to start BNE-SYD?
Wouldn't they be better off operating on routes where they are subjected to less competition - surely this is a death wish....
topend3
8th Nov 2002, 08:50
they are getting a bit of mining charter work but i couldn't agree more with you dh driver, dj and qf have the bn-syd market pretty well sewn up, i can't see anything but poor load factors and a lot of money lost if they try to take on the big two on such a main route, it happened to impulse and i bet it happens again, we might see some ridiculous fares again i suppose.
HOBAY 3
8th Nov 2002, 09:34
Of the two QLD destinations to be served from SYD, I'd say MC is one of them, but the other could be anything! Won't be ROK or MKY because of DJ, maybe HTI, or CNS to cycle the aircraft through to do the CNS-DRW???
:confused:
dirtylittlefokker
8th Nov 2002, 12:22
Topend,
You seem very worried about Alliance.
Maybe you should be!
We all thought the new colours were something to do with SQ.
If you frequent airports, take a very close look at which colors are the same as Alliance.............. and not on aircraft!
:cool:
bentandtwisted
8th Nov 2002, 23:05
Fact: When Impulse were operating the BNE-SYD route there were 4 airlines (QF, AN, VQ and DJ). So the route could not support 4 airlines not 3. After QF purchased VQ the route had no problems supporting 3 airlines (QF, AN and DJ).
The problem was when there were 4 airlines each airline was operating at least 8 return flights (QF & AN about 12) a day on the route which was far to many. Although most VQ flights carried 50-60 passengers which is more than enough to make money in a Fokker 100. If Alliance did start on the BNE- SYD route my guess is they would do no more than 3 returns a day and be more of a niche airline on the route. Along the smae lines as their BNE-TVL ROUTEThey could offer the bussiness flyer a choice over QF plus allowing the family & friends traveller another choice.
The BNE - SYD route is ranked No 2 on the Australian Domestic routes with 3,734,524 passengers carried on the route in 2001 (when we had 4 airlines on it), with a load factor of 76.7%.
We now have DJ starting on the BNE-ROK route, this route is ranked No. 19 on the Australian Domestic routes with only 236,763 passengers carried in 2001.The load factor on this route was 65.4%. So this route carries 15 times less passengers than the BNE- SYD route has a lower load factor yet DJ want to be the third jet operator on this route. How can they justify operating on the route?
Maybe Alliance should do a DJ and have a chat to the ACCC and ask why DJ are operating the route and under-cutting the competition's airfares. DJ did the same when QF added another BNE-ADL flight and at the same time lowered their airfare below DJ's.
If DJ think BNE-ROK can support 3 jet operators why can't BNE-SYD support 3?
Possible other QLD routes from SYD are OOL, MCY, TVL, CNS or HTI.
topend3
9th Nov 2002, 02:15
sorry fokker boy i don't follow???
apacau
9th Nov 2002, 02:21
possibly BNE-MEL to come mid 2003
HOBAY 3
9th Nov 2002, 04:18
ROK is now way to overserviced. In 2001, Bne-Rok had about 14 million ASKs, which acheived a load factor of between 65 and 70% per month. Now, with the Alliance and DJ capacity, we are talking 23 million ASKs, nearly double, not to mention the QantasLink B717s non-stop to Sydney as well that were introduced this year!!!
:p