Student Pilot Attempts to Access ASA Flight Deck - 3/3/24

[BFSGrad]

A student pilot tried getting into the cockpit of a cross-country flight to Dulles, Va., telling crew members he was merely "testing them" with this dangerous stunt, authorities said.

Nathan Jones, 19, was aboard Alaska Airlines Flight 322 from San Diego to Dulles International Airport on March 3 when he "made three separate attempts to go to the front of the plane and open the aircraft's cockpit door," according to an affidavit by Federal Air Marshal Thomas Pattinson.

Student pilot allegedly tries to storm Alaska Airlines cockpit multiple times midflight (https://www.yahoo.com/news/student-pilot-allegedly-tries-storm-184307806.html)

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

Ex student pilot now I’d guess .
Hope they don’t hammer him into jail fir too long and instead he gets some sort of Psyche help

[hoistop]

For Gods sake, this kid needs psycho help/treatment, not years of jailtime. Don`t destroy a young human life for a stupid stunt that did not endanger anyone.
He was non-violent, had nothing suspicuous in his baggage, probably only some twisted fantasy in his mind.
If procedures were right, cockpit door was locked anyway, so there was zero chance he could interfere with the flight crew. It would be different story if he succeeded getting in cockpit and/or became violent.

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

For Gods sake, this kid needs psycho help/treatment, not years of jailtime. Don`t destroy a young human life for a stupid stunt that did not endanger anyone.
He was non-violent, had nothing suspicuous in his baggage, probably only some twisted fantasy in his mind.
If procedures were right, cockpit door was locked anyway, so there was zero chance he could interfere with the flight crew. It would be different story if he succeeded getting in cockpit and/or became violent.


Think that’s what I said wasn’t it cupcake ?
He won’t fly again though obv

[BFSGrad]

He won’t fly again though obvIf Trevor Jacob can get his license back, why not this guy? Didn’t see any statements about ASA banning him or being placed on no-fly list.

Noted in news articles statements saying this guy has no history of criminal or violent behavior but no statements about history of mental problems. I find it odd that he is displaying symptoms of psychosis post-event but no mention of history prior. Perhaps another case of our over-medicated youth.

[Maninthebar]

If Trevor Jacob can get his license back, why not this guy? Didn’t see any statements about ASA banning him or being placed on no-fly list.

Noted in news articles statements saying this guy has no history of criminal or violent behavior but no statements about history of mental problems. I find it odd that he is displaying symptoms of psychosis post-event but no mention of history prior. Perhaps another case of our over-medicated youth.

There is a bunch of undiagnosed mental illness in the general population. There are many cases of psychosis developing in adults and manifesting prior to formal diagnosis. In fact I would speculate that this is the norm.

[Peter Fanelli]

There seems to be a growing thing in the US these days where individuals take it upon themselves to create a situation in order to
"test" the response. They often call them audits. There have been "Second Amendment Audits" where a group of wankers will go into a place such as a park
carrying rifles and wearing armor knowing that someone will call the police and they will likely show up en masse to challenge these people, the very result these people
are looking for hoping that someone on the law enforcement side will slip up and then they can post the video on YouTube.
Yesterday I watched a video where a person who was taking photographs of traffic entering and leaving a military base. Sure enough the base security showed up and challenged
him but couldn't do much because they were a private security firm. Local police were called and took over the matter. I checked this guys facebook page and it was full
of stuff about First Amendment Audits.
Seems like the guy on the flight mentioned here was doing the same kind of thing, testing to see how far he could go. Or maybe he just wanted to identify the Federal Air Marshall
for the benefit of the other members of his group. Either way it's a pretty dumb thing to do.
Once again this probably wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for social media providing a place for these idiots to portray themselves as wannabe heroes. YouTube is full of them.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate YouTube. Want to know how to fix something on your car? You'll probably find a video about it on YouTube. But there is a dark side, Trevor Jacob is a good example.

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

Interesting . There’s a thing in the uk with “ audits “ which basically is a bloke videoing police stations from public land to provoke an incorrect response “ you can’t film here “ , and then debunk The police powers when they arrive

[albatross]

Interesting . There’s a thing in the uk with “ audits “ which basically is a bloke videoing police stations from public land to provoke an incorrect response “ you can’t film here “ , and then debunk The police powers when they arrive

The constabulary should be briefed that if this should occur to welcome the nut-bar, bring him a nice cup of tea, suggest better angles, if any, to film from and then walk away. Once the NB realizes he will not get the response he desires for his “5 minutes of fame” video clip he will wander off in his delusional state and return to Mom’s basement.

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

The constabulary should be briefed that if this should occur to welcome the nut-bar, bring him a nice cup of tea, suggest better angles, if any, to film from and then walk away. Once the NB realizes he will not get the response he desires for his “5 minutes of fame” video clip he will wander off in his delusional state and return to Mom’s basement.
Actually you have a point … I’ve rewatched the bear baiting .

edited - another think

[Lonewolf_50]

Once again this probably wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for social media providing a place for these idiots to portray themselves as wannabe heroes. YouTube is full of them. This post seems to capture what has been missing from the story.

Here is my story: a few years back I approached the cockpit/flight deck door three times. Nobody seemed to mind. I never made it to youtube either.
Because i was each time taking a piss, in the restroom there by a 737's cockpit door. Old man fun with having a beer or two during the flight ... so I had to get up and move forward, etc.



[fdcg27]

Who knows what was in this kid's head?
There was a time when the crew might have welcomed him into the cockpit during a non-busy period, like in cruise and they might have even welcomed him into a jumpseat, before 911.
I recall a vacation trip back in 2000 when the captain invited my two then young sons into the cockpit of his DC-9 on boarding and even allowed them to sit in the crew seats.
Most crews love flying and welcome those with an interest in it.
Security paranoia has changed all of that.

[Koan]

As of April 1, 2016, AMEs cannot issue the combined FAA Medical Certificate and Student Pilot Certificate.
Student Pilots must have a separate Student Pilot Certificate and a separate FAA Medical Certificate.

Well, I did not know that had changed. Back 28 plus years ago when involved in GA training there were a few who despite having attended a FAA physical were eventually found to be quite unsuitable. One guy who could not pass the Private ended up physically fighting the Designated Examiner during a repeat check ride. Another arrested for attempted date rape of female student. Turned out he got kicked out of a different school for similar.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/designee_types/ame/student_pilot#:~:text=Student%20Pilots%20must%20have%20a,ask ed%20questions%20is%20shown%20below.

[BFSGrad]

When a student pilot allegedly tried getting into the cockpit of an Alaska Airlines flight earlier this month, off-duty San Diego police officers stepped in to help, police said on Thursday.

“SDPD had eight off-duty officers on board the flight, heading to training on the East Coast, that assisted in this situation," according to SDPD Lt. Dan Meyer.

Off-duty SDPD officers helped stop Alaska Airlines cockpit from being stormed (https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/off-duty-sdpd-officers-alaska-airlines-flight/3461798/)

[albatross]

I disagree . There’s enough fascism in this country from the woketard police … they need to be accountable to those who elected them .. otherwise it’s tyranny

“The constabulary should be briefed that if this should occur to welcome the nut-bar, bring him a nice cup of tea, suggest better angles, if any, to film from and then walk away. Once the NB realizes he will not get the response he desires for his “5 minutes of fame” video clip he will wander off in his delusional state and return to Mom’s basement.The person has the right to film from the street.”

All I am suggesting is the police, if they need to contact / interface with them at all do it in an open, friendly manner. For example if they are blocking an entrance etc.
They should be briefed as to what they can or cannot ask people. This in order to avoid unecessary confrontation. “Hi, I am Officer Rimshot, I see you are filming the Station, may I assist you in anyway?….No?…Ok enjoy your day.” Turn and. walk away. Job done.

Some people film with the express purpose of enticing the police into a confrontation. Lots of examples on Utube.
Some photographers are even doing this at Fire Stations, City Halls etc. hanging around for hours.

If someone stood on the street for 20-30 minutes filming your house or even your workplace wouldn’t you be tempted to ask them what they are doing and why?

[jackooz]

Pre 9/11 as an SLF I always used to ask to visit up front, and about 1/2 the time would end up there. Once on LH to London I was there for hours, over the Middle East. Happy Days...........

[Plastic787]

Pre 9/11 as an SLF I always used to ask to visit up front, and about 1/2 the time would end up there. Once on LH to London I was there for hours, over the Middle East. Happy Days...........

I often wonder if I’d have had the inspiration to make this my career had I not done (or had my dad ask for) the exact same. Had in flight visits with Lufthansa, Emirates, British Airways and Virgin. Happy days indeed. There’s a whole generation now who’ve only seen and will only see a flightdeck in flight on YouTube and it’s a shame.

[Pilot DAR]

I rode my bicycle up to the airside access security checkpoint at the German airport where work day before yesterday. Two police officers were randomly standing there. Before I'd even gotten off the bicycle, they were walking over asking me what I was doing. I said the the first officer that I was going to go through security... he seemed puzzled. I showed him my security pass, and he smiled and left happily. But he was on me with no delay as to what I was doing there until I could show a valid reason. It's the next era of security I suppose, everyone simply must be aware that everyone is super vigilant, and go along with the rules. So uninvited approach to a cockpit in flight? Everyone must understand by now that that will bring on intervention!

[Prob30Tempo TSRA]

“The constabulary should be briefed that if this should occur to welcome the nut-bar, bring him a nice cup of tea, suggest better angles, if any, to film from and then walk away. Once the NB realizes he will not get the response he desires for his “5 minutes of fame” video clip he will wander off in his delusional state and return to Mom’s basement.The person has the right to film from the street.”

All I am suggesting is the police, if they need to contact / interface with them at all do it in an open, friendly manner. For example if they are blocking an entrance etc.
They should be briefed as to what they can or cannot ask people. This in order to avoid unecessary confrontation. “Hi, I am Officer Rimshot, I see you are filming the Station, may I assist you in anyway?….No?…Ok enjoy your day.” Turn and. walk away. Job done.

Some people film with the express purpose of enticing the police into a confrontation. Lots of examples on Utube.
Some photographers are even doing this at Fire Stations, City Halls etc. hanging around for hours.

If someone stood on the street for 20-30 minutes filming your house or even your workplace wouldn’t you be tempted to ask them what they are doing and why?

true , they need to not rise to it