11% cancellation

[KABOY]

So CX has a problem on its hands,11% cancellation rate over the festive season. What % capacity are they at now 75%?

Good luck with the post COVID ramp up, seems like a sign of things to come unless a change in strategy is made. Maybe the mainland cadet scheme will be the answer, just takes a few years to happen,,,

[BuzzBox]

What % capacity are they at now 75%?

The published Nov 2023 traffic figures show CX passenger capacity was at 65% of that for the same month in 2019 (ie pre-pandemic). Those figures don’t include HK Express.

[Dragon Pacific]

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Quite a few cancelled tomorrow.

[Zi Peng]

Funny how the word in the street is “it is the pilots” when it isn’t.

[dingodyle]

its actually almost impressive how incompetent the management is. way smaller pilot base than pre-covid, people constantly leaving due to a radical change in contracts, people on the airbus maxing out flyable hours, clearly nowhere near enough pilots to operate a seasonal holiday busy schedule and they still will frame it as a "higher than anticipated sickness".

Yeah wow our oracles in management didn't see this coming, shocker.

[u777k]

its actually almost impressive how incompetent the management is. way smaller pilot base than pre-covid, people constantly leaving due to a radical change in contracts, people on the airbus maxing out flyable hours, clearly nowhere near enough pilots to operate a seasonal holiday busy schedule and they still will frame it as a "higher than anticipated sickness".

Yeah wow our oracles in management didn't see this coming, shocker.

Exactly - funny how every crew member saw this coming months/years ago, yet the powers that be are scrambling to fix the problem over one of the highest traffic periods of the year. serves them right; feel for the pax and crew

[smogluver]

Selling tickets on non existing flights once again no consequences for any of the idiots involved.

[Fridayflyer]

This is only going to get worse . And Worse

[cygnet78]

plenty of pilots out there.. just keep recruiting. its a payrise for them. hahahahaha .....

[Australia2]

20 flights . . . . . 4000 odd people ?!

1300cathaywhathappensnow would be busy . . . . .

[Cavallier]

1500 smooth .

[LootedfromCPA]

There goes everyone’s pay and bonuses 😂 through no fault of our own. These idiots sitting in management positions

[controlledrest]

If CX can't cover seasonal illness then it isn't a crew illness problem, it is a lack of pilots problem (caused by Mis-Management) to cover what naturally occurs.

They have given up on direct entry FOs and Capts - apart from the wrongly terminated returnees, they were only getting aviation misfits. The big push is to recruit and train up SOs, but this will take years.

In the short term the GMO is putting together an application to HKCAD to lift the limit to 1000 hours. They will argue that with the JCR and BAM they can manage the fatigue. Another thing on their side is the complete disconnect between fatigue and its reporting. If you take Controlled Rest file an ASR-F. If you are too tired to do a duty don't call sick, call 'unable fatigue' and file an ASR-F.

If you think 1000 hours will mean more pay, you are deluded. They will adjust the thresholds.

[Babyjet_dododo]

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Quite a few cancelled tomorrow.

Funny how all the cancelled flights are to places that don’t have stringent consumer laws.

I’ve called in sick because I really want to spend Christmas and new years with family.

[ZootBoot]

I wonder how this will impact the Chinese New Year period.

Anyone else thinking of taking some golf da…I mean, calling in sick as a personal protest to being treated like a dog ****e for the last 3 years?

[Zi Peng]

I wonder how this will impact the Chinese New Year period.

Anyone else thinking of taking some golf da…I mean, calling in sick as a personal protest to being treated like a dog ****e for the last 3 years?

You probably joined three year’s ago!

[Babyjet_dododo]

I wonder how this will impact the Chinese New Year period.

Anyone else thinking of taking some golf da…I mean, calling in sick as a personal protest to being treated like a dog ****e for the last 3 years?

Dogs got treated better than us the last 3 years, we were nothing more than scourge on Society and the company in HK. We were treated like cockroaches

[ZootBoot]

Dogs got treated better than us the last 3 years, we were nothing more than scourge on Society and the company in HK. We were treated like cockroaches

I agree. I hope that plenty more pilots decide to call in sick over the next few weeks.

[Bekol delay]

It's not the next few weeks, it's the end of the months that hurt them more and highlight the crewing shortage, pre-CNY golf jaunt anyone?

[smogluver]

Come on guys give CX management a break they have written the terrible treatment of their staff off as learnings!!. We’re all pretty new at this.

[AQIS Boigu]

Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

[KABOY]

Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

Oh yes he is, the architect of COS18 is back !

[ZootBoot]

Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

I hope that isn’t true. I’d heard on the rumour mill that he left on not-so-great terms given the ****storm he created.

It’s a bit like have Mr Joyce come and do some consulting at Qantas. Or having Mr Dahmer do some consulting at The Savoy Grill.

[Gnadenburg]

Oh yes he is, the architect of COS18 is back !

He has thousands of loyal disciples? How’s the pilot attrition of late?

[KABOY]

He has thousands of loyal disciples? How’s the pilot attrition of late?

Pilot attrition will only ever become a problem when Greg decides that an improvement in CoS18 is due. It should improve just enough to attract the Malaysians and Indians away from their legacy carriers.

After all he’s a consultant now , all care and no responsibility.

Alex and Ronald will need to shoulder this one.

[Babyjet_dododo]

Pilot attrition will only ever become a problem when Greg decides that an improvement in CoS18 is due. It should improve just enough to attract the Malaysians and Indians away from their legacy carriers.

After all he’s a consultant now , all care and no responsibility.

Alex and Ronald will need to shoulder this one.


They will never be short of pilots, just too many aircrafts 🤣🤣🤣.

Good luck to them rebuilding the schedule, chances are the training department will suffer, they’ll be pressured to pass people with inadequate training.

[Freehills]

Heard the other day that Greg Hughes is back in town as the consultant

https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-hughes-55984b107/




Post retirement from my full time executive career at Cathay Pacific and the Swire Group, I have been retained as an Advisor to Cathay Pacific Airways.

[mngmt mole]

So the fox is coming back into the hen house. What could go wrong. Putting a pilot hater back into an management role at CX is certainly going to go a long way in helping restore the relationship between the pilots and managements :/

[400 Jockey]

Former dudes who are ex-777 that left after doing a short term on the 747 want to return to the 777 but they are being refused and told that the 747 is the only option. Meanwhile, flights are being cancelled. :ugh:

[Babyjet_dododo]

Former dudes who are ex-777 that left after doing a short term on the 747 want to return to the 777 but they are being refused and told that the 747 is the only option. Meanwhile, flights are being cancelled. :ugh:

Why are you surprised? This is the typical failures of the planning department and their famous phrase “Cannot”!

[Oasis]

Amazing. They will never learn.

Maybe he could suggest another paycut?

[mngmt mole]

Oh, i'm sure he will...

[Progress Wanchai]

Amazing. They will never learn.

Maybe he could suggest another paycut?

There’s no chance of that happening. Senior management are still licking their wounds after the fierce industrial backlash following the pilots’ 40% permanent pay cut for crew to be locked up in isolation while management took a meagre temporary cut to sit behind a desk and go home every night.

They’ve learnt their lesson.

(Assuming of course counting your MPP while watching your colleagues walk out the door is considered industrial action and hurting yourself laughing is considered a wound).

[main_dog]

Ouch.

[jjmclure]

If CX can't cover seasonal illness then it isn't a crew illness problem, it is a lack of pilots problem (caused by Mis-Management) to cover what naturally occurs.

They have given up on direct entry FOs and Capts - apart from the wrongly terminated returnees, they were only getting aviation misfits. The big push is to recruit and train up SOs, but this will take years.

In the short term the GMO is putting together an application to HKCAD to lift the limit to 1000 hours. They will argue that with the JCR and BAM they can manage the fatigue. Another thing on their side is the complete disconnect between fatigue and its reporting. If you take Controlled Rest file an ASR-F. If you are too tired to do a duty don't call sick, call 'unable fatigue' and file an ASR-F.

If you think 1000 hours will mean more pay, you are deluded. They will adjust the thresholds.
They may have trouble with their 1000 hr application, as CAAC only allow mainland China Pilots to fly 900hrs.

[Dragon Pacific]

They may have trouble with their 1000 hr application, as CAAC only allow mainland China Pilots to fly 900hrs.

As in understand it more than 900hrs isn’t easy as it requires a change to the ANO.

[bluesideoops]

As in understand it more than 900hrs isn’t easy as it requires a change to the ANO.
Yes, good luck on that front, there is no way they'll get the ANO changed. The best they could hope for would be an exemption to the requirement which would require a significant safety case.

[YeahNahYeah]

Yes, good luck on that front, there is no way they'll get the ANO changed. The best they could hope for would be an exemption to the requirement which would require a significant safety case.

the case writes itself: it's unsafe for swire's annual report. enough said!

[YeahNahYeah]

So the fox is coming back into the hen house. What could go wrong. Putting a pilot hater back into an management role at CX is certainly going to go a long way in helping restore the relationship between the pilots and managements :/

I guess one upside is that if he's contracting direct, and not through the overlords, then a lowly swire GM ranks higher on the pecking order?

[freightdoggiedog]

Let’s see. Since 2019 we have lost:

-40% of our fixed pay

-housing assistance, in the most expensive real estate market in the world

-schooling assistance greatly slashed

-ALL bases, with absolutely no prospect of them ever coming back

-approximately 60% of our guaranteed monthly Provident Fund payments

-medical insurance greatly reduced, especially for family

-one/two weeks of yearly leave

-any certainty on how much you will get paid on any given month

-any visibility on your career progression, with seniority now being meaningless for upgrades & DECs and DEFOs

-any number of small perks, like being able to have family on jumpseats, or even simply get a positioning duty changed to another date (cannot)

I can’t for the life of me figure out what aircrew are whining about, hopefully the task force can figure it out

[Babyjet_dododo]

Let’s see. Since 2019 we have lost:

-40% of our fixed pay

-housing assistance, in the most expensive real estate market in the world

-schooling assistance greatly slashed

-ALL bases, with absolutely no prospect of them ever coming back

-approximately 60% of our guaranteed monthly Provident Fund payments

-medical insurance greatly reduced, especially for family

-one/two weeks of yearly leave

-any certainty on how much you will get paid on any given month

-any visibility on your career progression, with seniority now being meaningless for upgrades & DECs and DEFOs

-any number of small perks, like being able to have family on jumpseats, or even simply get a positioning duty changed to another date (cannot)

I can’t for the life of me figure out what aircrew are whining about, hopefully the task force can figure it out

I’ll add to that! Got an email just before that new year thanking me for my 10 years of service! (Albeit 2 years late). Here is $HKD500 as a token of our appreciation- btw you’ll be liable to pay tax on it and to cap it off, to make an appointment, I need to book it in 3 months in advance to claim my $500.