FAA B737 Type rating for experienced Cpt

[Masteroftheplane]

Hi to everyone.

I´m trying to include a B737 TR on my FAA ATPl(A), I do have 16000Hrs total and 3750 on type flown on EASA licence, anyone could recommend a place where to get the type rating to endorse it on the FAA licence?


Thanks.

[rudestuff]

Canada.

[bafanguy]

Canada.


rudestuff,

How would Canada help the OP ? He's already got an FAA ticket. Is there a wrinkle in the fine print of AC 61-135A that would get his EASA (non-FAA, non-TCCA) type rating put on his FAA ticket ?

I got the impression he was looking for an FAA rating mill to give him the 737 type ride.

[rudestuff]

rudestuff,

How would Canada help the OP ? He's already got an FAA ticket. Is there a wrinkle in the fine print of AC 61-135A that would get his EASA (non-FAA, non-TCCA) type rating put on his FAA ticket ?

I got the impression he was looking for an FAA rating mill to give him the 737 type ride.
Yup, that's what he's looking for because he doesnt know the rules. 61-135A allows conversion of licences/certificates AND type ratings both ways. It's MUCH easier to get his 737 onto a Canadian licence. I've already said too much 🤫

[rudestuff]

I´m trying to include a B737 TR on my FAA ATPl(A), I do have 16000Hrs total and 3750 on type flown on EASA licence, anyone could recommend a place where to get the type rating to endorse it on the FAA licence?The real question is why would you even want to? If you get hired to fly a 737 they will give you the rating anyway.

[Masteroftheplane]

rudestuff,

How would Canada help the OP ? He's already got an FAA ticket. Is there a wrinkle in the fine print of AC 61-135A that would get his EASA (non-FAA, non-TCCA) type rating put on his FAA ticket ?

I got the impression he was looking for an FAA rating mill to give him the 737 type ride.


Hi again.

Thanks for the inputs, bafanguy is right, im looking for a training centre where I could take the FAA TR (taking into consideration that I have 3750 hrs and current on it) but flown under European licence.

[bafanguy]

motp,

There are several places where you can do that. There seem to be several in the KMIA area. That'd also be closest to you if coming to the USA. Some Googling will give you plenty of options. I get the impression they don't just throw you in the sim for the rating ride but will likely want a warm-up session or two to get you ready. You shouldn't have any trouble finding what you want.

Here's just one example:

https://www.panamacademy.com/boeing-737-ng-type-rating-and-training-courses/

[Masteroftheplane]

To rudestuff:

Well, you are right, I do not know anything about 61-135A since I got my FAA ATPL in 1998 and came back to Europe, regarding the job, you are thinking (I believe) on an airline, and that is not the case.

[bafanguy]

Well, you are right, I do not know anything about 61-135A since I got my FAA ATPL in 1998 and came back to Europe, regarding the job, you are thinking (I believe) on an airline, and that is not the case.
motp,

Getting the type rating is independent of any airline (perhaps I'm not understanding what you said). It makes no difference if you've been flying for an airline or not. Some outfit in KMIA will be happy to take your money and put you through the type rating.

Are you considering coming to the US to fly ? If so, then rudestuff has a point in most cases: an airline, while it might prefer a type-rated applicant, will put it's new pilots through their own training program for the rating.

[rudestuff]

Well, you are right, I do not know anything about 61-135A since I got my FAA ATPL in 1998 and came back to Europe, regarding the job, you are thinking (I believe) on an airline, and that is not the case.
So you want the type rating just for ****s and giggles? No problem, this is your lucky day. Have a read of AC61-135A and also CAR 421. You'll see that putting your EASA type rating onto your FAA ATP is just a paperwork exercise.

[Masteroftheplane]

Thanks a lot, will have a look at it.

[bafanguy]

Yup, that's what he's looking for because he doesnt know the rules. 61-135A allows conversion of licences/certificates AND type ratings both ways. It's MUCH easier to get his 737 onto a Canadian licence.

I got the impression he wasn't interested in a Canadian license. I'm getting confused. :confused::)

[bafanguy]

Thanks a lot, will have a look at it.


https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-135A.pdf

[Masteroftheplane]

Give me some minutes guys and will reply to both since you dedicated some time to me...

[Masteroftheplane]

motp,

Getting the type rating is independent of any airline (perhaps I'm not understanding what you said). It makes no difference if you've been flying for an airline or not. Some outfit in KMIA will be happy to take your money and put you through the type rating.

Are you considering coming to the US to fly ? If so, then rudestuff has a point in most cases: an airline, while it might prefer a type-rated applicant, will put it's new pilots through their own training program for the rating.


Bafanguy: I´m aware of the relationship (or not) between an airline and a type rating, I have worked in 4 different continents for 4 different airlines with some different licences, I think the language barrier is playing here a big role.
Also, Im not thinking in going back to the US, but (this is also for rudestuff) when I said "you are thinking on an airline" i meant there are N registered aircrafts around the world that may require me to have the type rating on the FAA licence and "is not an airline", the owner will not give me anything and is expecting me to bring everything (probably I´m confusing you again)

I appreciate both inputs from you guys, I hope you understand now my point of getting the TR on the FAA licence not being for "****s and giggles".

[bafanguy]

motp,

Ok, now I think I understand. Sorry if I muddied the waters. Looks like for your purposes, going to some training organization and getting a "quickie" type-rating course will get you what you need.

I'm not sure if there are FAA-authorized ATOs outside the USA that might be more convenient for you. Good luck in your effort.

[Masteroftheplane]

motp,

Getting the type rating is independent of any airline (perhaps I'm not understanding what you said). It makes no difference if you've been flying for an airline or not. Some outfit in KMIA will be happy to take your money and put you through the type rating.

Are you considering coming to the US to fly ? If so, then rudestuff has a point in most cases: an airline, while it might prefer a type-rated applicant, will put it's new pilots through their own training program for the rating.

motp,

Ok, now I think I understand. Sorry if I muddied the waters. Looks like for your purposes, going to some training organization and getting a "quickie" type-rating course will get you what you need.

I'm not sure if there are FAA-authorized ATOs outside the USA that might be more convenient for you. Good luck in your effort.

Thanks a lot bafanguy for the feedback, appreciate it.

[rudestuff]

I got the impression he wasn't interested in a Canadian license. I'm getting confused. :confused::)
He will be when he realises that he can convert his FAA ATP to a Canadian ATPL with no test, he can put his 737 type rating on his Canadian ATPL with no test, and can convert that back to an FAA type rating with no test.

[bafanguy]

rudestuff,

I'm basically familiar with the provisions of AC 61-135A but haven't done a line-by-line deep dive. I assumed that because motp already has an FAA ATPL, that having a Canadian license AC 61-135A wouldn't apply to him. I'll have to take a better look to see how only a type rating can make the move from TCCA to an existing FAA ATPL. I'm not a very good jailhouse lawyer. I never would've considered that wrinkle. So much to know...so little time.

[bafanguy]

He will be when he realises that he can convert his FAA ATP to a Canadian ATPL with no test, he can put his 737 type rating on his Canadian ATPL with no test, and can convert that back to an FAA type rating with no test.

rudestuff,

I've got a question about the proposed use of AC 61-135A to get motp a Canadian ATP. This is just for my education. I read through the AC and didn't see an answer.

Here's what I understand:

motp holds an EASA ATP with a B737 type rating.

He also holds an FAA ATP but NO B737 type rating.

So,

If he applies for the Canadian ATP under the provisions of AC 61-135A using his FAA ATP (without the B737 type rating), how would his EASA B737 type rating get put on the Canadian license when it doesn't exist on his FAA license ? The answer might be in the AC but I didn't see it addressed. Thanks.

[rudestuff]

It's all in CAR 421. You'll know it when you see it, trust me.

[Masteroftheplane]

rudestuff,

I've got a question about the proposed use of AC 61-135A to get motp a Canadian ATP. This is just for my education. I read through the AC and didn't see an answer.

Here's what I understand:

motp holds an EASA ATP with a B737 type rating.

He also holds an FAA ATP but NO B737 type rating.

So,

If he applies for the Canadian ATP under the provisions of AC 61-135A using his FAA ATP (without the B737 type rating), how would his EASA B737 type rating get put on the Canadian license when it doesn't exist on his FAA license ? The answer might be in the AC but I didn't see it addressed. Thanks.

Bafanguy:

Your assumption is 100% correct, that would be my case, and since I want to fly a "N" registered 737 (not belonging to any airline) I need the TR on the FAA license.

Thanks again to you and rudestuff for the feedbacks.

Regards from Spain.

[bafanguy]

Motp,

rudestuff has offered an interesting route to getting the B737 rating put on your FAA ATP. It appears to require time and a bit of back and forth with a bunch of government offices. I assume dealing with these people involves the usual frustration...but would save a lot of money.

The first question that comes to mind is how fast do you need this B737 rating on your FAA ATP. Are you in a hurry to get this rating to secure the position at the employer ?

[rudestuff]

Yeah it would save you a fortune but it probably wouldn't be quick, the Canadians are glacially slow issuing medicals and licences however that would be the hard part. Getting it all back to FAA should take half an hour with a DPE.

[Masteroftheplane]

Motp,

rudestuff has offered an interesting route to getting the B737 rating put on your FAA ATP. It appears to require time and a bit of back and forth with a bunch of government offices. I assume dealing with these people involves the usual frustration...but would save a lot of money.

The first question that comes to mind is how fast do you need this B737 rating on your FAA ATP. Are you in a hurry to get this rating to secure the position at the employer ?


I´m not in a hurry but obviously the sooner the better, I may have 3-4 months before I need the TR on the FAA ATPL.

Thanks as always.

[Masteroftheplane]

Yeah it would save you a fortune but it probably wouldn't be quick, the Canadians are glacially slow issuing medicals and licences however that would be the hard part. Getting it all back to FAA should take half an hour with a DPE.

To rudestuff:

Do you have a guess on how long it would take? (From FAA to Canadian)

[bafanguy]

It's all in CAR 421. You'll know it when you see it, trust me.

I was determined I was going to read CAR 421 to find the section pertinent to Motp's situation and learn something. But I became uncontrollably drowsy and fell asleep. Reading FARs does that to people. :)

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[rudestuff]

I was determined I was going to read CAR 421 to find the section pertinent to Motp's situation and learn something. But I became uncontrollably drowsy and fell asleep. Reading FARs does that to people. :)
Really? It shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to find 421.40 (5) & (6)

[Sea Plane Driver]

Really? It shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to find 421.40 (5) & (6)


2 minutes:(5) Credits for Foreign Applicants

(a) Qualifying Flight Requirement
(amended 2000/09/01)The holder of a licence issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the qualifying flight requirement specified in 3(c)(iii), 3(g)(iii), 3(k)(ii), and 3(l) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 10 hours pilot-in-command flight time on the appropriate aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for rating;
(amended 2005/06/01)

(b) Pilot Proficiency Check RequirementThe holder of a licence with a two-crew type rating issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in 3(a)(iii), 3(b)(iii), 3(f)(iii), and 3(g)(ii) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 50 hours flight time on that aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for the rating.
(amended 2005/06/01)


(6) Credits for Foreign Flight Test(amended 2005/06/01)


(a) The qualifying flight requirement specified in subparagraphs 3(c)(iii), 3(g)(iii), 3(k)(ii), and 3(l) above may be performed under the supervision of a qualified person who is licensed by a Contracting State provided the applicant submits a letter from the State’s Licensing Authority, or other source acceptable to the Minister confirming the personal log entry, and the qualification of the person who supervised the flight;
(amended 2005/06/01)
(b) The Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in subparagraphs 3(a)(iii), 3(b)(iii), 3(f)(iii), and 3(g)(ii) may be performed by a person authorized by a Contracting State provided the applicant submits confirmation from the State’s Licensing Authority, or other source acceptable to the Minister confirming that the applicant meets the State’s skill test requirement for the issue of the type rating.
(amended 2005/06/01)

[bafanguy]

My attempt at humor has apparently fallen flat.

But I would never have seen that blast of legealese as satisfying the requirements of AC 61-135A for a person applying for a Canadian license but not holding a B737 rating on the FAA license...but on an EASA license. And showing how Motp would get his EASA type rating to a Canadian license.

I'm a terrible lawyer and happily defer to rudestuff's knowledge on this. And I'm in over my head. But it's cheap fun.

[rudestuff]

1) Use AC61.135A to convert the FAA ATP to Canadian ATPL.
2) Use the generosity of 421.40 to add the 737 type rating to the Canadian ATPL.
3) Use AC61.135A to convert the Canadian 737 type rating to an FAA one.

3 separate actions.