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controlledrest
6th Jun 2023, 00:49
Now we are to be on reserve on layovers: stay in your room, able to leave at a moments notice, unable to plan anything. They can just get f**ked.
rudestuff
6th Jun 2023, 04:12
That sounds more like Standby than Reserve.
viking avenger
6th Jun 2023, 08:42
How many pilots have left since December 2019?
raven11
6th Jun 2023, 13:23
Par for the course working for an organization without a binding employment contract and in a jurisdiction without labour laws. Do yourself a favour and move to a first world country. Hong Kong is moving backwards. It’s not a stable and secure location to work in or raise a family.
Posterizing
6th Jun 2023, 15:22
How many pilots have left since December 2019?
i have moved up 1280 spots since december 2019
RAT Management
7th Jun 2023, 02:35
Well try this on for size: CX are paying the HK Gov $1.52 Billion dollars as a special dividend for their support during the pandemic. CX also announced they have no need for the $7.5 billion loan from the govt and the draw down date expires this week. So where did the 1.52 billion come from:
Compare a 2019 annual tax return statement to a 2022/23 one. Captains earn around $700k less than 2019.
FO earn around $400k less
SO earn around $200k less.
800 captains + 1000FO + 600SO = $1.1 billion dollars in wage savings alone. Don't forget the other costs they've cut.
How do you like them apples?
Babyjet_dododo
7th Jun 2023, 07:14
Well try this on for size: CX are paying the HK Gov $1.52 Billion dollars as a special dividend for their support during the pandemic. CX also announced they have no need for the $7.5 billion loan from the govt and the draw down date expires this week. So where did the 1.52 billion come from:
Compare a 2019 annual tax return statement to a 2022/23 one. Captains earn around $700k less than 2019.
FO earn around $400k less
SO earn around $200k less.
800 captains + 1000FO + 600SO = $1.1 billion dollars in wage savings alone. Don't forget the other costs they've cut.
How do you like them apples?
it’s okay! They’re giving new joiners access to staff travel from the DOJ! I wonder how many emails were send out with different keywords?
1. Feedback from brushwingers, we have decided to…..
2. Feedback from new cabin crew, we have decided to…..
3. Feedback from the legal department, we have decided to…..
4. Feedback from the IT department, we have decided to,…..
and so on…..
it’s okay! They’re giving new joiners access to staff travel from the DOJ! I wonder how many emails were send out with different keywords?.
How many people have actually returned?
LootedfromCPA
7th Jun 2023, 11:00
And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety
NewLow
7th Jun 2023, 11:48
Where is this written?
And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety
How much rest do you get before you are on this so called reserve?
Babyjet_dododo
7th Jun 2023, 11:58
How many people have actually returned?
Apparently 170ish
CX could have offered unpaid leave to those 170, but they didn't..
Silent Treatment
7th Jun 2023, 12:37
Apparently 170ish
I doubt that figure is correct. Even so, the total number continues to go down.
Cavallier
7th Jun 2023, 18:44
Even it was 170, it in no way replaces the drain of the last 2 years of experienced and competent operators ! I believe it’s not as bad as last year but there is still a small stream of pilots leaving .
The Cav
AQIS Boigu
7th Jun 2023, 22:22
Apparently 170ish
Check your crew link seniority list - less than a dozen captains have returned so far.
Since Covid we have lost a total of 1500 pilots and (re-)hired around 400
More to come for sure
controlledrest
8th Jun 2023, 01:52
And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety
Grow a pair. Like all other duties, if you are not fit for duty, don't operate. Their problem.
G Merch
8th Jun 2023, 02:24
Some parties get $1.5bn for their support. Others get coconut water and praise of resilience.
Babyjet_dododo
8th Jun 2023, 02:57
Grow a pair. Like all other duties, if you are not fit for duty, don't operate. Their problem.
Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it
controlledrest
8th Jun 2023, 05:38
Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it
Sure have. Never been called to the office to explain myself either. I keep my call to Crw Ops short and factual: "I have been unable to get adequate rest, I can't safely operate this flight due to fatigue, I expect to be fit for duty by XX:XX". I also make sure my hotel room usage indicates I was trying to rest should they go checking.
fire wall
8th Jun 2023, 07:50
Babyjet dodo you are an embarrassment to what was once a fine profession.
Please publish your roster so that I can make sure my family never fly's when you are operating.
Moron.
Air Profit
8th Jun 2023, 07:57
Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it
Far better to fly sick. Risk passing it on to your fellow pilots and of course operate the aircraft while impaired by illness. Professionalism at its finest. The company will give you a gold star on your report card
Some parties get $1.5bn for their support. Others get coconut water and praise of resilience.
I didn't get any coconut water 😔
G Merch
8th Jun 2023, 15:27
But you're so senior
mngmt mole
8th Jun 2023, 15:49
A senior line captain at CX now earns less than a regional jet captain in the US. Let that sink in... (oh, and lives in the worlds most expensive city on top of it).
Busbuoy
9th Jun 2023, 10:24
A senior line captain at CX now earns less than a regional jet captain in the US. Let that sink in... (oh, and lives in the worlds most expensive city on top of it).
And the family still think he's overpaid. If you weren't born a Swire, you were born to serve a Swire. The privilege should be enough, we shouldn't have to pay you as well!
viking avenger
10th Jun 2023, 00:10
i have moved up 1280 spots since december 2019
On Behalf of Myself and my the other 600+ Captains who have moved beyond. Congratulations.
KABOY
10th Jun 2023, 04:01
i have moved up 1280 spots since december 2019
And for suffering the conditions imposed upon you, you shall be granted higher seniority and the benefits that it brings. For this reason, Swire and their underlings deem it no longer necessary to improve conditions or pay bonuses.
So go forth and celebrate, as there are things given by CX that others cannot gift so quickly.
Gordomac
12th Jun 2023, 09:23
Can someone define "Reserve". Obviously not "Standby" or "Available". As someone else said; "Sounds more like Standby".
After arrival, of course, you must have min rest. If disturbed within that period, very brave fellas could say so and restart the min rest.
During defined layover, Companies would love to have access to you but it is quite hard to define. A bit of give & take appears to be adopted by most outfits.
AQIS Boigu
12th Jun 2023, 23:35
Most airlines have a better relationship so in case of a disruption down route, the individual pilot will probably help out.
Not in CX of course
Can someone define "Reserve". Obviously not "Standby" or "Available". As someone else said; "Sounds more like Standby".
After arrival, of course, you must have min rest. If disturbed within that period, very brave fellas could say so and restart the min rest.
During defined layover, Companies would love to have access to you but it is quite hard to define. A bit of give & take appears to be adopted by most outfits.