Ryanair DEC with ICAO ATPL

[jumpy737]

Does anyone know how this process works with the IAA Validation? With the right to work in the UK, would this validation be temporary until you've written the exams? What is the pay (go easy! I know this topic leads to many opinions). As far as bases go, it asks to select 3. Are they generally honoured?

Thanks

[ToCatLady]

As far as I’m aware the IAA validation only for U.K. licence holders for 500 hours at FR and then IAA will issue ATPL.

not sure if the IAA are extending that to the whole ICAO ATPL as I think they’re doing it to allow FR some breathing space to crew the U.K. bases whilst everyone gets their licences in order. Basically something FR should have prepared for months and months ago but have only just realised recently.

Bases will be honoured, normally, first preference for FO (even if they try and force you to STN) but the contract states they can base you anywhere they want if they need to….

pay is 50k basic plus extras. 70k if you do 850 hours. Includes your pension, leave, allowances ect

Rumours of a huge pay rise coming as they’re losing FOs at an unseen rate and having to cancel Type Rating courses as most DEPs don’t show up and instead head to DHL, J2, BA & Virgin.

currently FR FOs are the lowest paid >10T jet gig in the U.K. …..

[Moonraker4]

currently FR FOs are the lowest paid >10T jet gig in the U.K. …..

This isn’t correct. Loganair, West Atlantic, Aurigny to name a few…?

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Bases will be honoured, normally, first preference for FO (even if they try and force you to STN) but the contract states they can base you anywhere they want if they need to….

pay is 50k basic plus extras. 70k if you do 850 hours. Includes your pension, leave, allowances ect

Rumours of a huge pay rise coming as they’re losing FOs at an unseen rate and having to cancel Type Rating courses as most DEPs don’t show up and instead head to DHL, J2, BA & Virgin.

currently FR FOs are the lowest paid >10T jet gig in the U.K. …..

Bases honoured. Ha ha ha. Good one. Recently yes they have been trying to give people their bases. Loads of people they don’t though. Many times people jump seating home. Some been waiting years to move. Then they hear someone straight out of LT get that base.

As JFO UK bank on £3200ish after tax. Couple hundred up or down on that.
FO peeps few hundred extra on that is what I have seen and been told. Yea if you run £70k through a tax calculator it says you should get £4K. You won’t be getting that as FO.

Not the lowest paid gig in UK but it’s a reason along with many other reasons why people are leaving in droves.

[Jonnyknoxville]

In the past the licence was validated by the IAA for 12 months , during which time you had to pass your 14 ATPL exams.

[Steve1968]

In reality other than the Flt ops manager, no one knows how how many are leaving, Huge pay rise coming ? now we are talking Rumours. I've been here 23 years and its just another cycle.

[rotorwills]

Can't really see an increase in pay for aircrew. Enough cadets in pipeline that enable FR to keep their precious profits in view. Can't blame them they run a very tight ship and will continue whilst they see their management profiles work. Even though they are losing many to other operators they will continue to keep wages and conditions at their present levels. They have a very solid conveyer belt of newbies coming on stream. It's their way.

[ToCatLady]

Are you sure there’s enough cadets coming through to keep the U.K. bases full? Judging by the DEFO recruitment ongoing I’d say they’re getting quite desperate for the U.K. bases

[737 Jockey]

With amount of RYR U.K. Pilots Jet2 are currently hoovering up, I’d say they were are certainly are going to be struggling a bit. DEC/DEFO. recruitment backs that up.

[blind pew]

Loads of Dead heading crews…cousin came over for paddy’s weekend..paid top dollar for seat and carryon up front..crew baggage filled the racks and she had to wait until all of the pax disembarked to retrieve her baggage which the operating crew had stowed at the back and refused to return to her….

[ToCatLady]

Loads of Dead heading crews…cousin came over for paddy’s weekend..paid top dollar for seat and carryon up front..crew baggage filled the racks and she had to wait until all of the pax disembarked to retrieve her baggage which the operating crew had stowed at the back and refused to return to her….


OK that’s great….and?

[jumpy737]

What is the pay scale for DEC in the UK? Pension? Disability?

[Graveney]

Rumours of a huge pay rise coming




eyo what’s all this about then? Heard any more?

[transport jock]

Can someone please dm me the pay scale for DEC?

[rotorwills]

What is the pay scale for DEC in the UK? Pension? Disability?


Strange that there isn't a post outlining present UK crew salary. Is it that there are too many contracts about and differing pay scales for FO and Skippers.
There is rumoured to be some pay increase in the short term to help stem the outflow.

Pretty certain that it would help prospective lookers in Europe who have the right to work in UK.

[Alrosa]

I believe it’s around £50k basic for FO and £105 for captain plus around £6k to cover stuff (uniform , insurance etc.) that other companies would probably offer on top of salary ….then about £14k sector pay per annum . I don’t work for Ryanair so I can’t vouch for how precise those figures are for U.K. base

[jumpy737]

I believe it’s around £50k basic for FO and £105 for captain plus around £6k to cover stuff (uniform , insurance etc.) that other companies would probably offer on top of salary ….then about £14k sector pay per annum . I don’t work for Ryanair so I can’t vouch for how precise those figures are for U.K. base
Thanks. Closest I've seen to at least some information. Appreciated.

[Essex lad]

What is the pay scale for DEC in the UK? Pension? Disability?

£105,000 basic
£6000 allowance
£2897 Annual leave
£14714 sector pay (average 850 hours)
£8000 pension

New entrant joiners deduct £13500 year one from basic then £6750 year two

No pay review on the horizon

[rotorwills]

Well that was pretty straightforward. Ask a question and get multiple answers from great posters. I am sure this sort of open information will help our colleagues and future colleagues make better informed decisions. Salute to all responders.

[Steve1968]

£105,000 basic
£6000 allowance
£2897 Annual leave
£14714 sector pay (average 850 hours)
£8000 pension

New entrant joiners deduct £13500 year one from basic then £6750 year two

No pay review on the horizon

That's pretty accurate having just checked , just missing the legacy payment another £4000

[UAV689]

Does anyone know how this process works with the IAA Validation? With the right to work in the UK, would this validation be temporary until you've written the exams? What is the pay (go easy! I know this topic leads to many opinions). As far as bases go, it asks to select 3. Are they generally honoured?

Thanks

RYR DAC in UK is still overseen by the IAA. They gave the last influx of Brazilians a few years ago 12 (maybe 14?) months to pass the ATPLs, and allowed them to operate during that time on a validation.

With the right to work in the UK, you will pretty much be put into Uk. Every new upgrade is currently being forced into the UK.

Pay, as above. Paid less as a DEC for the first 2 years.

Payrise? Personally I think it is unlikely.

At the moment ryr is having an exodus of FO and a steady stream of capts leave, predominantly UK based.

Fo exodus is incredible. Every shift I estimate half are serving notice or in application stage. Even some lads that only finished line training a few months ago are interviewing elsewhere.

A new batch of capts served notice this week to go to j2, the pay gap now is such that if you are in your 40s, it is about half a million quid on the balance of your career earnings…An upgrade ready FO in j2 is paid not far off what a new capt in Ryr gets (if you include their bonuses at j2).

I think “management”, are just going to let this happen and hope fire fighting gets them through it.

They know deep down, ryr is not an aspirational career choice, and if they paid everyone more money today, people will still leave tomorrow.

For the last 25 years they have been on a mission to cut pay, the same leopards in charge will not change their spots due to a temporary recruitment frenzy elsewhere.

[Fly4Fun]

Apologies for being a bit off topic, but do you know if Ryanair still have the Floating contracts available?

Thanks in advance

[737pilotguy]

Any news/update on RYR Profit-share?
Is there going to be such a scheme after the release of 1.46bn profits? Thanks

Never, not until hell freezes over.

[excrab]

Could anyone who has recently been through selection as DEC for U.K. based (holding U.K. Part FCL licence with current type rating and experience) share any details of the overall selection process? Thanks in advance.