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What was going on Tuesday Night 28 February for departures from Brisbane?
I noticed that three international aircraft tracked to the south of the NSW border before turning East, West or North for their destination.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/896x598/bn_dept_083e0e5ba48a36c1222abbdd6cc1e6174b1be046.jpg
BR316 departure
Going Nowhere
28th Feb 2023, 21:41
Probably avoiding TIBA airspace.
It happened a few weeks ago where inbounds from the West tracked well South into NSW before turning North for BNE.
Yep, it's happened a number of times lately.
QF55 BNE-LAX continued south until just E-N-E of Coffs Harbour before turning north east.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/700x766/image_1_3_2023_at_2_16_pm_49da1a23f328c1ba2f905953362f9c5c14 967895.jpg
Switchbait
1st Mar 2023, 03:36
Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??
Chris2303
1st Mar 2023, 03:53
Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??
Because it is better than cancelling?
Switchbait
1st Mar 2023, 05:36
Why not fly through it, making the required broadcasts?
Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??
Probably could not find what the procedures were
Switchbait
1st Mar 2023, 07:35
Insurance?
Safety?
With that in mind, should a jet airliner never fly outside controlled airspace??
Switchbait
1st Mar 2023, 07:39
Probably could not find what the procedures were
haha you could be onto something 601.
I find the reaction to TIBA airspace hilarious. It’s just not that hard to deal with, but it seems to be akin Kryptonite to some pilots/Flight Departments
10JQKA
1st Mar 2023, 07:48
Why go to all that trouble to avoid TIBA??
Probably because the CTA part of it is TRA and approval is required ?
mustafagander
1st Mar 2023, 08:53
TIBA is not the end of the world. Just be careful and follow procedures while keeping a close eye on TCAS.
Myanmar (Burma) airspace over the Bay of Bengal was TIBA for years, probably still is. Lots of traffic over the Bay of Bengal but we managed.
Switchbait
1st Mar 2023, 09:08
Probably because the CTA part of it is TRA and approval is required ?
The approval only requires a friendly chat on the phone with ATC. The number to call is listed in the NOTAM.
langham
1st Mar 2023, 09:08
I have no idea as to the flight tracks but if it’s avoiding TIBA fair enough. I regularly fly EGLL/Wsss fly over a small area of Afghanistan which is uncontrolled, it’s all about risk management, and if flight ops have decided that’s the way you go I’ve no problem
10JQKA
1st Mar 2023, 11:08
The approval only requires a friendly chat on the phone with ATC. The number to call is listed in the NOTAM.
What ? So if 12 ring up to get approval to enter they all get approval ?
With that in mind, should a jet airliner never fly outside controlled airspace??
We used to give ATC grief in the 80s when we started to fly jets OCTA and into gravel or grass strips.
Standard response was "You can't do that. Your a jet"
We were not an airline but the engines did not know that.
One possibility is that the airline does not permit level changes in TIBA so it's somewhat difficult to get to cruise altitude when the TIBA commences 30nm from departure.
From the manual at one airline:
Cruising level changes in affected (deactivated) Class A airspace should not be made unless considered necessary to avoid traffic conflicts, for weather avoidance or other operational reasons.
And another reference:
Flight Operations policy is to avoid deactivated airspace where possible by planning around affected areas…….
or other operational reasons
Climbing to you planned FL to make your destination would be a good reason.
Myanmar (Burma) airspace over the Bay of Bengal was TIBA for years, probably still is.
Not for a while now, even they have datalink these days.
Slugga
3rd Mar 2023, 02:38
This is Australia slowly descending into 3rd world status real time