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Boeingdriver999
8th Feb 2023, 08:13
Hi guys,

Is the Autobrake Low Type 1 or 2 setting specific to MSNs or is it a customer option?

Thanks

8314
8th Feb 2023, 10:47
Itís an update, new mod.

sekmeth
8th Feb 2023, 16:48
Indeed itĎs a mod. Out whole fleet has had the update now, but flysmart isnĎt updated yet. Is that something thats is comming? Or maybe there already but it costs $£Ä and find the beancounters it not worth to purchase?

jaja
9th Feb 2023, 07:20
Itís a mod I can highly recommend. Type 2 braking is very much braking like you would do manually, but with the advantage of being done by autobrake (one application)

Check Airman
9th Feb 2023, 13:01
Only our newest planes have this mod, and itís quite nice.

5/5
would recommend

vilas
9th Feb 2023, 14:42
Type 2 activates after 2 seconds delay as against 4 seconds in type 1 also deceleration rate is 2m/secē2 instead 1.7m/sec*2 resulting in LDR reduction upto 450mtrs. With the rise of fuel saving tactics with increased use of Flap3 landings, it prevents resorting to sometimes eventual manual braking which results in higher brake temperatures and brake wear.

Max Angle
9th Feb 2023, 21:54
Hopefully my lot will fit it, I mostly find that low is not enough and medium is too aggressive unless you are somewhere really short.

dream747
10th Feb 2023, 00:51
Out of curiosity I wonder how much does it cost to do a modification such as this?

Check Airman
10th Feb 2023, 07:04
Out of curiosity I wonder how much does it cost to do a modification such as this?

Depends on whoís doing it, I suppose. An IT college student will probably do it during his lunch break if you give him change for the vending machine.

Iím guessing Airbus charges 5 or 6 figures.

Zar_1
25th Apr 2023, 15:41
Can someone here pls elaborate how this Type1/2 selection happens? I couldn't find anything via a quick google search. :)

pineteam
25th Apr 2023, 18:09
Type 2 activates after 2 seconds delay as against 4 seconds in type 1 also deceleration rate is 2m/secē2 instead 1.7m/sec*2 resulting in LDR reduction upto 450mtrs. With the rise of fuel saving tactics with increased use of Flap3 landings, it prevents resorting to sometimes eventual manual braking which results in higher brake temperatures and brake wear.


Hi Vilas.

Thanks for the information. I was unaware of the change of the Autobrake low setting. I checked in our FCOM, that modification is quite old actually. Our fleet is equipped since March 2016.

vilas
25th Apr 2023, 18:39
Hi Vilas.

Thanks for the information. I was unaware of the change of the Autobrake low setting. I checked in our FCOM, that modification is quite old actually. Our fleet is equipped since March 2016.
It was not available in 2016. You may be referring to something else.

pineteam
25th Apr 2023, 19:06
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According to the date on top it’s from March 2016. I have a FCOM from 2018 also showing the same 🤔.

AerocatS2A
25th Apr 2023, 22:14
Can someone here pls elaborate how this Type1/2 selection happens? I couldn't find anything via a quick google search. :)
Itís a modification, not a selectable mode.

Zar_1
26th Apr 2023, 16:09
Itís a modification, not a selectable mode.

Okie, thanks a lot.

How would I know though, if some particular MSN has had the upgrade?

AerocatS2A
26th Apr 2023, 16:32
Okie, thanks a lot.

How would I know though, if some particular MSN has had the upgrade?
The easiest way is to do what pineteam did and go to FCOM-DSC-32-30-20-AUTO BRAKE PANEL and see what the parameters are for the low setting. If itís 2 m/s2 deceleration after 2 seconds then itís the newer version, if itís 1.7 after 4 itís the older one.

You could also try and find it in the modification section at the front of the FCOM. Look for ďLANDING GEAR - NORMAL BRAKING - MODIFY AUTOBRAKE LOW MODE SETTINGSĒ and see what aircraft itís been applied to.

Jwscud
26th Apr 2023, 20:14
You can also check the FCOM filtered for your MSN and check the As installed table at the front of the FCOM.

AerocatS2A
27th Apr 2023, 02:24
You can also check the FCOM filtered for your MSN and check the As installed table at the front of the FCOM.
Itís not on there for ours.

dream747
27th Apr 2023, 12:32
It's not there in the "As installed table" as well for us but our fleet has the modifications done.

If your fleet has it FCOM systems should now show for Autobrake LO the deceleration should be 2m/s^2 and start 2s after spoiler extension.

It is indeed a great improvement from the old setting.