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NMC02
5th Dec 2022, 00:15
Good day to all,

I am an EASA restricted FI and currently I am working in a DTO under supervision but meanwhile I had the opportunity to fly for another different DTO simultaneously.
Since I am restricted is it allowed to fl for the 2 schools simultaneously?
Can I be supervised by 2 different CFI's?

I looked into the regulations and found nothing about it. Any help would be really appreciated.

rudestuff
5th Dec 2022, 03:58
I'd be interested to know how you can be in 2 aircraft simultaneously.

NMC02
5th Dec 2022, 09:37
Maybe I didnt express myself correctly, I mean not at the same exact time but working in 2 different schools under 2 different Head of training while I am restricted.

Fl1ingfrog
5th Dec 2022, 17:30
An FI(r) is not limited to instructing at one school. Whoever is registered to be a supervisor at either school may sign your paperwork. Once you receive your updated licence then of course declare it to the HoT at both organisations.

rarelyathome
5th Dec 2022, 23:22
Supervising instructor sign what paperwork?

Whopity
6th Dec 2022, 11:07
SRG1133R
Record of Supervised Solo Flights or Air Exercises for Removal of Supervisory Restriction from an Instructor Certificate in accordance with Part-FCL
Description:Supporting document to be provided as part of an application for Removal of Supervisory Restriction from an Instructor Certificate

rarelyathome
7th Dec 2022, 05:59
Thank you. Only seen that signed off by CFI in dim and distant past but clear who should do it. Now, how many supervising FIs are actually present on the ground at the time the student is sent solo to make that a worthwhile signature?

NMC02
12th Dec 2022, 18:42
Thank you all for your answers,

It really helped!

Best regards

Fl1ingfrog
12th Dec 2022, 20:48
Now, how many supervising FIs are actually present on the ground at the time the student is sent solo to make that a worthwhile signature?​​​​

'Supervision' is not defined. One or more Supervisors must be listed by the ATO/DTO with the CAA, as the responsible* person/s to sign the paperwork. There is no requirement for the supervisor to ever be present but only to inspect the instructors paperwork and sign it as required. This is not unique to aviation.

* my word

TheOddOne
13th Dec 2022, 10:45
Personally, as a HoT and supervising instructor, I always remain on site during flying by a FI(R), on a 'due diligence' basis.
When I was a FI(R), I was told 'call me at home if you have a problem'. Steeper learning curve I suppose but I didn't think it was right.

TOO

Fl1ingfrog
13th Dec 2022, 14:06
When I was a FI(R), I was told 'call me at home if you have a problem'.

This was never acceptable for a AFI but common place.

Prior to EASA the UK had Assistant Flying Instructors (AFI) and FI (Flying Instructors) so a clear distinction. The AFI being an assistant could not operate without a FI being present at the take-off and landing. The AFI was therefore always overseen - many consider this as being the true and only meaning of supervision. It could take a part time AFI two or more years to accrue sufficient experience to upgrade to FI. The AFI was required to be tested every 12 months and undertake a specific skill test to upgrade to a FI. To be a FI they were also required to be qualified to teach the IMC rating.

EASA dispensed with all of this. A FI is all that exists nowadays the (r) beside the title only means they cannot send first solos. They are not restricted in any other way and are not required to be overseen. They can even operate alone from a farmers field as long as they have an agreement with the farmer.

rarelyathome
13th Dec 2022, 23:01
This was never acceptable for a AFI but common place.

Prior to EASA the UK had Assistant Flying Instructors (AFI) and FI (Flying Instructors) so a clear distinction. The AFI being an assistant could not operate without a FI being present at the take-off and landing. The AFI was therefore always overseen - many consider this as being the true and only meaning of supervision. It could take a part time AFI two or more years to accrue sufficient experience to upgrade to FI. The AFI was required to be tested every 12 months and undertake a specific skill test to upgrade to a FI. To be a FI they were also required to be qualified to teach the IMC rating.

EASA dispensed with all of this. A FI is all that exists nowadays the (r) beside the title only means they cannot send first solos. They are not restricted in any other way and are not required to be overseen. They can even operate alone from a farmers field as long as they have an agreement with the farmer.

I think this needs proper clarification from the regulator. I am not sure you are correct that an FIr doesn’t need to be overseen. I have a recollection that there was clarification somewhere (trainingcomm?) that was unequivocal that the supervising FI had to be present at the airfield. Perhaps someone can point to the definitive guidelines.