RCAF - 'Inappropriate' fighter pilot nickname

[India Four Two]

Two senior Air Force officers have been charged for allegedly failing to stop a group of fighter pilots from assigning an inappropriate nickname to another member in June.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/military-misconduct-edmonton-alberta-1.6666993

Original complaint article here; https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/corey-mask-call-sign-1.6623411

[Old-Duffer]

Ah didums! If the Canadian air force has got nothing better to do, perhaps they need to do something else.

I recall the little ditty "Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me".
I have been called various names, some of which alluded to my personal appearance. Perhaps my name on this site should be changed in case I'm upset that somebody might think I'm thick.
Old Duffer

[SASless]

Oh Dear! However can we survive such a disaster!

First the Reds now this....whatever will FJ Pilots get up to. next.....dropping bomb on bad guys, shooting down opposition aircraft....there seems to be no limit to what they will do......singing bawdy songs while drinking!

This must be dealt with and harshly and not be left to get completely out of hand.

Odd....helicopter pilots never seem to get themselves into this predicaments......are we that much better behaved or just more sly in the way we go about it?

In my Chinook Unit you earned your Call Sign and once assigned said name you learned to live with it with protests of any kind only making it used in every conversation as often as possible.

Usually they were not flattering to the recipient as they mostly dealt with some act that drew attention to them for some reason that was a bit embarrassing to the name holder.

There was no Appeal Right....you got tagged and that was it.

[Bob Viking]

The ironic thing is, it wasn’t even the person who received the callsign that complained.

BV

[Dave Gittins]

What was this terribly bad name ?

[Flyingmac]

What was this terribly bad name ?

LIPS? Quite innocent really until applied to the helmet:rolleyes:.

[Saintsman]

Perhaps a good time to resurrect this thread? Nicknames (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/641192-nicknames.html?highlight=nicknames)

Or not. Who knows in these strange times?

[rugmuncher]

#1 . Blumpkin – 2-1



#2 . Aviary – 5-2



#3 . Felcher – 10-1

[RatherBeFlying]

Oh well, as long as we are still cold-blooded triggermen for the King or CINC, we may just survive this awakening.....

Fixed it for you;)​​​​​​​

[GlobalNav]

Fixed it for you;)

​​​​​​​It can be hard to keep up. Haha. You have new PM too? Oh my.

[SATCOS WHIPPING BOY]

I wonder if the two seniors were known as...


Col. Colin "ONYA" Marks and

Lt.-Col. Corey "FETISH" Mask.

[SASless]

Ah yes.....that Thread.....was a good one for sure!

https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/641192-nicknames-63.html?ispreloading=1&highlight=Nicknames

[meleagertoo]

Just imagine.
A 'fighter pilot" with a non politically correct nickname. How appalling! How disgraceful! How unacceptable!

Good thing he's not expected to kill anyone...

[gums]

Salute!

Times have changed. And while the RAF folks here are talking about "inclusion" and such WRT the females..., USAF has had the gals around for many years, starting in the 70's, and then letting the gals fly fighters by mid-90's.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-fighter-pilot-mom/

I kinda wonder what some of their tactical callsigns were. First T-bird gal was a Mudhen pilot and shorter than me! She was "Fifi". Then was the famous Hawg dirver that came back in reversion mode with lottsa holes in the jet - "Killer Chick"( Kim Campbell). Was she offended?

Gums sends...

[Squeaks]

Re the original news article (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/corey-mask-call-sign-1.6623411) it is possibly a tell that

In this case, the sources said, a young, recently-arrived second lieutenant was singled out over a rumour that he'd had a sexual fling during training with another second lieutenant — a woman who was in a committed same-sex relationship.

The female second lieutenant was also on temporary duty with 401 Fighter Squadron, which is co-located with 409 Squadron at Cold Lake. She heard about the derogatory call sign and initiated a complaint that was brought to Mask, the sources said.

Who would be in such a toxic environment where you are trained to be an aggressive killer yet must be fully aware of the diktats of '1984' and the woke, easily offended members of society :confused:

[Dave Gittins]

LIPS? Quite innocent really until applied to the helmet:rolleyes:.

I'm old enough to remember a TV show where one of the main characters was known as Hot Lips .... how times must have changed.

[mopardave]

The ironic thing is, it wasn’t even the person who received the callsign that complained.

BV
It rarely is. The recipient of this "terrible" nomenclature is probably mortified about the fuss........at least I'd hope so.

[chopper2004]

Anyone remember the NY ANG 174th Fighter Wing (now Reaper unit 174th Attack Wing) known as the 'Boys from Syracuse'?? And because of a female pilot , a pentagon pin up complained,

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/the-boys-from-syracuse

the name got changed but in the article from the other side it was implied she was crap at her in operating the F-16C...in fact very serious issues.

cheers

[Hueymeister]

FFS...what a bunch of woke wankery...ridiculous...a crass case of chasing the wrong priorities at the expense of operational effectiveness. Political correctness. and ass clownery.

[gums]

Salute!

@ Dave.... Hot Lips got her name due to a sexual encounter that Radar was broadcasting over the camp speakers via a microphone in her tent and was telling the guy played by Robert Duvall "kiss my hot lips". Was the movie "Mash" and then a very successful TV series.
===========================
From my history:
The Boys from Syracuse was one of the two Guard units we checked out in the Dragonfly back in 1970 and 1971 at Alexandria( before I went to the Sluf). The other was from Baltimore. Talk about bitter folks. They had been flying F-86's and were true "country club" units. To transition to the lowly A-37 that had two seats and two engines and had a completely different mission from the Sabre was a shock.

We also had a unit Green Mountain Boys from Vermont. Oh well, USAF has always been the most PC of the services, and at one time they even made several units change their patches. Symbols of "death" and such went away. Fortunately, the high level commanders changed and by 1980 we got some historic ones back, including the one I wore last day I ever flew the Viper. Somehow the US Navy never got the word and we saw the infamous skull and crossbones on the tails of one of their squad's jets.

Gums sends...

[The Helpful Stacker]

Anyone remember the NY ANG 174th Fighter Wing (now Reaper unit 174th Attack Wing) known as the 'Boys from Syracuse'?? And because of a female pilot , a pentagon pin up complained,

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/the-boys-from-syracuse

the name got changed but in the article from the other side it was implied she was crap at her in operating the F-16C...in fact very serious issues.

cheers

A little off-topic but does anyone know what happened with this case?

[Flugzeug A]

Can anyone reveal what the nickname given actually was?
It’s frustrating reading without knowing!

[SASless]

Baltimore Sun Newspaper Article re the results....with no link to the Official Investigative Report(s).

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1996-03-17-1996077031-story.html

The Female Officer's Career leading up to her being assigned to the 174thFW in Syracuse, NY.

https://www.ctie.monash.edu/hargrave/parker.html

An article quoting Major Parker re her experiences.....comparing the date of the interview against the time period of the events that led to the the investigations and allegations of Command Prejudice by the Officers punished by their Chaiin of Command might prove interesting.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121116212435/http://www.wingsoverkansas.com/bonnie/article.asp?id=675

[Baldeep Inminj]

I would like to point out the obvious here - it is not just fighter pilots that get nicknames, but they are perhaps the only group with an egotistical need for them.

OK - theirs are 'official' and become callsigns, but that is only because they need something to show the world how important they think they are and an attempt to justify their existence. Do Surgeons have callsigns? Do Nuclear watchkeepers? Do Prime Ministers and Presidents (maybe amongst the secret service). No. They do not. The reason is that they have genuinely busy and engaging jobs with daily value and don't need to try to justify their existence. However, 'Fighter Pilots' the vast majority of whom have never been in a fight, do have the biblically enormous ego of a 'Fighter Pilot' to pander to. They are self-actualizing narcissists.

Look at the RAF. Want to speak to guys who have seen action up close, been shot at, had rounds through the cockpit more than once, seen death up close?...Then go to Odiham or Benson and listen to the Support Helicopter guys. The warfighters in the RAF fly helicopters, and everyone knows it. Fast jet guys fly fast jets, not fighters, because they do not fight and have not done so for years. They have no idea what true combat is like - it is all ego and bravado...go to an Odiham crewroom and you will soon know what a 1000 yard stare looks like.

The sharp end of the RAF has rotor blades, not wings...and they don't need callsigns to show the world their worth...

[pedroalpha]

Very well said Baldeep.

[SATCOS WHIPPING BOY]

Do you think pilots need "callsigns" or "nicknames" because they need something to show the world their sexual prowess Baldeep?

Just askin'

[SASless]

Look at the RAF. Want to speak to guys who have seen action up close, been shot at, had rounds through the cockpit more than once, seen death up close?...Then go to Odiham or Benson and listen to the Support Helicopter guys. The warfighters in the RAF fly helicopters, and everyone knows it. Fast jet guys fly fast jets, not fighters, because they do not fight and have not done so for years. They have no idea what true combat is like - it is all ego and bravado...go to an Odiham crewroom and you will soon know what a 1000 yard stare looks like.

The polite reply to you is you seem to ignore reality in your comment.

I know first hand about the helicopter side of this business called War....and shall leave it to young "Gums' to offer his comments re your post as he certainly knows about the FJ side of the joint venture called Air Warfare.

Yes we on the helicopter side have seen the Dragon up close and personal but then I would suggest going "Downtown" to Baghdad and Hanoi in a FJ might somehow acquaint those Pilots with another version of that same Dragon.

Basically I hold no regard for anyone that disses others who put their Lives on the line for God and Country without setting forth some bonafides to prove he knows at all what he is talking about.

Does it matter if you get killed at 30,000 feet going supersonic by a BVR misslle or an RPG while at a hover.....different means can still have equal outcomes.

What matters is putting your Life on the line and doing so willingly that earns those folks our respect.

We do not have to like FJ Pilots and their need for ego stroking but we do owe them the same kind of respect we give everyone that goes into direct combat with an armed aggressive enemy from the Infantryman in the mud to the Crew of an SR-71 at 80,000+ feet going Mach 3.25+.

[DaveReidUK]

Can anyone reveal what the nickname given actually was?
It’s frustrating reading without knowing!

Spoilsport.

There's no need to let facts get in the way of a good rant.

[megan]

The sharp end of the RAF has rotor blades, not wings...and they don't need callsigns to show the world their worth...Given the price paid by the FJ chaps visiting downtown Hanoi I'll give them the latitude to call themselves anything they damn well like.

[India Four Two]

Can anyone reveal what the nickname given actually was?
It’s frustrating reading without knowing!

I did an extensive search before making the original post but was unable to find the name. As you say, frustrating.

[Barksdale Boy]

Many of these posts demonstrate a vice/vise-like grip of the non-essentials.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Times change but there is a subset of “leaders” who willfully don’t get it. There are many many humorous call signs possibilities that are not overtly racist or sexist. The senior officers in the room had an opportunity to redirect the conversation of junior personnel in a positive way and chose not to. They failed as leaders because they are supposed to value every member of their organization equally, not just white males.

The truly maddening thing is this is a perfect example of shooting yourselves in the foot. The RCAF, indeed the whole CAF, has a huge recruiting problem. Thanks to a few troglodytes we now get an avalanche of bad press. Great job there guys 🙄

[admikar]

They seem mightily offended......
https://youtube.com/shorts/gvChkjGyP9k?feature=share

[Readthebigbreach]

I wonder what RCAF pilot Col Russell Williams call sign was ? Sir?

[fdr]

​In this case, the sources said, a young, recently-arrived second lieutenant was singled out over a rumour that he'd had a sexual fling during training with another second lieutenant — a woman who was in a committed same-sex relationship.​​​​​​

Does a callsign of "lucky" bode ill winds?

Think that the CAF probably has more pressing matters to attend to that actually matter. Heck, just imagine if they had a serial killer as a base commander or something like that being done with complete outward calm and serenity. What? When? Really? They did? A Colonel commander of a base? Really, oh well, perhaps compared to having a serial killer in the rarefied ranks of command, maybe an inappropriate nickname is indeed the end of the world as we know it.

(Helicopter pilots have no need for nicknames, they merely need more ceramic and Kevlar and lucky charms, and a couple of inches more collective)

[gums]

Salute!

Thanks for the nice words, SAS. For those that have not seen our previous discorse, SAS almost got to pick up my A-37 and haul it back to Bien Ho after I "crash landed" the shot up thing at Saigon Intrernational Airport. The thing only weighed about 6,000 pounds empty and we had several brought home by Chinooks to fix the holes and fly again.

I always thot the rotorheads had bigger cojones than we did, and one great example was a MoH recipient here in the Panhandle named Mike Novosel, so look up his citation and read associated articles. He was a Dustoff down in 4 Corps, that SAS knew that area well. I covered many helo inserts both in-country and in Laos, then later in North Vietnam.

On my "tip of the spear", I personally know more POW's than anyone on pPrune unless they were in my class at USAFA. That's because '64 had more than any USAFA class, and then I knew guys that were not Zoomies, but spent some time from 1966 to 1973 at those neat vacation venues like Dogpatch, Plantation and the Hilton. My timing for three tours was excellent!

Oh well, those days are gone, but not the memories. And I never did anything other than my job and help grunts that were in trouble when they named me "Boy Wonder".

Gums sends...

[SASless]

I did fetch one back from Vinh Long to Bien Hoa arriving late one evening....having experienced a bolt failure on the four point lifting device provided by Cessna.....was told it was the same as used for the O1E Bird Dog.

Interesting days those were.

I learned I was not bullet proof but was protected by lots of good luck and a Guardian Angel who earned his Hazardous Duty pay and an excuse for his excessive consumption of strong drink.

Odd....most of us always thought it was the other guy that had the bad job.

[Pontius Navigator]

A quick search does not turn up a not uncommon RAF nickname BOOTS assigned to those allegedly landing with feet on the brakes.

I also knew one CRASH.

[megan]

they merely need more ceramicWhat we had worked well enough, but more would have been gooder..


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/243x348/t0001_49f92a6fdbe78610330c12ea943b8a256695c8b1.jpg

[SASless]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/320x218/chinook_footwell_view_outside__20ee65541a33a000d2d75b13618ae d6de34f52a1.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/320x213/chinook_claim_to_fame_june_1970_d3e9850bb8314d2d9345a0744074 e92d32723e75.jpeg
Ah....but you had on your Army Issue Olive Drab Green Tee Shirt and underwear issued In those days that were bullet proof....right!

My foot was on that left pedal when the .51 Cal round passed through severing the hydraulic lines and igniting a fluid fueled fire. Another inch and I would be called "Peggie" for the wooden leg the Army would have issued me. Instead I am just plain "Lucky"!

Or so we were told anyways!:cool:

[PICKS135]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/320x218/chinook_footwell_view_outside__20ee65541a33a000d2d75b13618ae d6de34f52a1.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/320x213/chinook_claim_to_fame_june_1970_d3e9850bb8314d2d9345a0744074 e92d32723e75.jpeg
Ah....but you had on your Army Issue Olive Drab Green Tee Shirt and underwear issued In those days that were bullet proof....right!

My foot was on that left pedal when the .51 Cal round passed through severing the hydraulic lines and igniting a fluid fueled fire. Another inch and I would be called "Peggie" for the wooden leg the Army would have issued me. Instead I am just plain "Lucky"!

Or so we were told anyways!:cool:

One of the local refuse collectors was hit by a car at work one day. First thing managers asked. 'Was he wearing his steel toed boots'. Second thing 'Was he wearing hi vis jacket'. Or as OC Domestic called it, the shield of invisiblity.

[gums]

Salute!

After a few days I wonder where that "Bald" poster went. Of course his/her/it's profile is not clear, but would be nice to compare notes from the logbook about getting shot at and shot up.

Gums sends....

[megan]

getting shot at and shot upYou forgot "down" gums ;)

Bald may get an education about the utility of callsigns by watching these two videos put together by Ward Carroll an ex F-14 RIO of quite some considerable experience including combat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0A2nUnatlk&t=535s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UliEijgg-sQ

On the other hand Bald might wish to have a conversation with these chaps about their cruisey day in the office, only one aircraft lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uh4yMAx2UA

[Jizkid]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1504/img_3032_efc0f75f8a5947372934af3eda928fd38c504253.jpg
Must mean something different in Malaysia

[SASless]

Surely that is a "collective" Nickname for FJ Drivers!:oh:

[Big Pistons Forever]

Surely that is a "collective" Nickname for FJ Drivers!:oh:

Might be a bit too subtle for them to get it :}

Hat, Coat, Umbrella, Roller Bag, Emergency Slide….

[Hueymeister]

Apparently (according to the Afterburner Podcast) the F-16 returned to base only to find NONE of his countermeasures had been expended...he dodged all those SAMs on his own!

[Hueymeister]

There was a 'Doenitz' on an SH Sqn as he went for 'tonnage' in the ladies he bedded...

[teeonefixer]

This thread (and also the "Not so Woke Reds") reminds me of a USAF A-7 deployment (OK ANG from memory) to Wittering in the late 80's. Some chaps who had a visit to the unit were all given Calling cards by the crews, indicating that everyone should beware of heavy drinking and lock away their daughters etc. I can imagine that the first Female aircrew had a lot to put up with.......

[RatherBeFlying]

FAWG (https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/derogatory-fighter-pilot-call-sign-was-homophobic-and-targeted-rcaf-woman-officer)

The call sign has emerged in a national paper
Frolicking a woman gay for those who'd rather not follow the link.

I propose a call sign for our Minister of Defense - ITRWI

Is this really worth it
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