help with photographs

[intertidal]

I wonder if I might be allowed to post up 3 x old photos that I am after some help with
1. single engine, 2-seater biplane with RAF markings and ID K-1905 - pretty sure a Tiger Moth trainer
2. twin engine biplane, no visible markings, probably an H-P something but unsure what, would be nice to know any details.
3. somebody sitting left-hand seat in an enclosed cockpit aircraft, layout similar to Bristol Blenheim. But not a Blenheim, wrong glazing.
any chance I could post up these 3 images pls?
thanks

[Planemike]

K1905 is the RAF serial of a de Havilland 60M Moth...

[longer ron]

I wonder if I might be allowed to post up 3 x old photos that I am after some help with



You probably need a post count of 5 ? or 10 ? to be able to post images using the Forum Upload (so just keep replying to comments on here ;) )

You may be able to post some pics using a photo hosting service like flickr or Imgur (I usually use Imgur).
Posting pics using Imgur is really easy - just copy/paste the BB Code of the image directly to your post.

[intertidal]

K1905 is the RAF serial of a de Havilland 60M Moth... interesting, any other info? (ie, where the aircraft was, what squadron etc)
thank you

[India Four Two]

Once you have high-enough post count (10?), you can post pictures directly to PPRuNe, you don’t need use an image hosting service.

Just click on the Image icon in the Reply dialogue (11th from the left - sun and mountain icon) and follow the instructions.

[Asturias56]

the easiest way to up your count is to post on 10 sequential threads in JetBlast - no-one will ever notice................

[longer ron]

You do not get any increase in post count by posting in 'Jet Blast' - you do in all the other forums on here.
The easiest way of increasing post count is to reply to all the posts on this thread ;)

[intertidal]

You do not get any increase in post count by posting in 'Jet Blast' - you do in all the other forums on here.
The easiest way of increasing post count is to reply to all the posts on this thread ;)
I wondered that. I noticed my post count was at zero, but I did register and posted a few mesages last year but all in Jet Blast where I guess the conversation is cheap!
having said that, it was a particularly remarkable thread. mystery old photo of obscure house on the coast in britain and it was pinpointed within about 24 hours. solved a family mystery of long standing.

[intertidal]

I have sent snaps to Megan anyway, thank you v much for your kind offer.

[longer ron]

I wondered that. I noticed my post count was at zero, but I did register and posted a few mesages last year but all in Jet Blast where I guess the conversation is cheap!
having said that, it was a particularly remarkable thread. mystery old photo of obscure house on the coast in britain and it was pinpointed within about 24 hours. solved a family mystery of long standing.

I remember that thread - an internet forum at its best :)

[megan]

Posted on behalf of intertidal


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[treadigraph]

Cockpit photo might be an Anson?

[Beamr]

Posted on behalf of intertidal

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1117x519/a2_105d9d840c3c3f738dbf1d50faf9845b2c6f50c7.jpg

I'm pretty confident that this is Vickers Virginia X.

[longer ron]

As Mike posted above - K1905 was a DH60M Metal Moth (ie metal structure fuselage).
The normal straight winged Moth variants (including DH60M) were deemed unsuitable for Military service due to difficult ingress and egress into/out of the Front Cockpit esp whilst wearing a parachute.
This led to the 'back of a fag packet' redesign of the top wing which moved the fuel tank forward and 'swept back' the upper mainplane for 8 of the DH60T (Dripsy Engine) Trainer aircraft.
This led to the main RAF Production variant of the DH82 with swept back upper mainplane and dihedral on Lower Mainplanes + Dripsy Major Engine.
The dihedral on the lower mainplanes was to increase ground clearance for the wingtips on undulating grass airfields.

Dripsy = Gipsy Engine , Dripsy Major = Gipsy Major Engine

I hope I have got most of that correct - I am sure Mike will put me right if not :)

[134brat]

I agree with Beamr that the big biplane is a Virginia X. The long exhausts and two blade props look like it has Napier Lion engines.

The cockpit shot is more of a mystery. The square central windscreen would suggest that it's not an Anson/Blenheim/Oxford/Beaufort etc as they all had a central division between screens.

[134brat]

Anyone else think the cockpit pic could be a Saro Lerwick?

[Jhieminga]

My Putnam agrees, it is a Virginia X with Napier Lions.

As for the cockpit shot, I too think it is an Avro Anson. If you look at this photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Anson#/media/File:CF15_Avro_Anson_ZK-RRA_040415_01.jpg there is a square central part in the windscreen with a small triangular section just above and to the left (as seen from the inside). I guess there was more than one windscreen arrangement for this type.
Edit: there are a lot of similarities if you compare it with this inside photo of the New-Zealand based flyer: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8023852

[longer ron]

I would say it is an early Anson Mk1.

[134brat]

Jhieminga

I just had a look at the link you posted and I'd say there is no doubt you are correct.

[Jhieminga]

treadigraph gets the points on this one... he was the first to suggest an Anson. ;)

[Planemike]

I hope I have got most of that correct - I am sure Mike will put me right if not :)

ron........I would not be so bold !! However, you have encapsulated the steps that were taken to convert the deH 60 M Moth into the deH 82 Tiger Moth that we know & love !!! It was indeed a stepwise process much of it done on the basis of "fag-packet calculations/suck it and see" methods...... It did happen remarkably quickly....!

Interesting, any other info? (ie, where the aircraft was, what squadron etc)... Thank you.

Intertidal.... I am sorry I cannot help you with a unit or squadron.. I am sure there will be someone along shortly
who can fill in that blank. The photo is intriguing. Judging by the gent on the right's hat and the female on the steps on the left, I would think it may have been visiting a civilian airfield......

[sandringham1]

In the image of the Victoria you can see the platform at the base of the port wing rear interplane strut, its where a parachutist would stand until being pulled off when their chute deployed. Wiki says this 'Virginias continued to soldier on in support roles with the Parachute Test Flight at Henlow until December 1941'.

[Beamr]

interesting, any other info? (ie, where the aircraft was, what squadron etc)
thank you
quick search gives the following:

1655 (Gipsy I) DH.60M toc as K1905 25.3.31 at Kenley.
To Practice Flight, Henlow 21.2.35 (or 21.2.33).
To Pilotless Aircraft Section, Henlow (2/5.38).
To 1 ASU 22.7.38.
Deld 17 ERFTS Barton 5.11.38.
Probably to 10 MU Hullavington 2.39.
To instructional airframe 1289M 18.2.39 and issued to 5 School of Technical Training, Locking.
Rtp 31.12.43

[Planemike]

That did not take long....!!!!