El Al Pilots claiming they are underpaid

[nombody]

www .jpost. com /international/article-707822
Quote from the article:
They detailed what they claim are their wages: “We earn half of what every pilot in the Western world gets, about $138 an hour. You will not find a pilot in Europe or North America who earns less than $250 per hour on a 787 plane. In companies like United Airlines, Delta Airlines and American Airlines, it is $380 per hour.”

Can anyone comment on the accuracy of the amounts claimed for United/Delta/American?

I suspect they are comparing base hourly rate at El Al and not including several extras that are automatically added to their pay.

[am111]

A quick look at Airline Pilot Central (https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy) has United pilots earning the most at $352/hour at the top of the pay scale on a 787 (12 year captain) with an additional $6.50/hour for international duties and a $3.00 per diem. So a few dollars short of the $380 figure quoted. So they’re being a bit disingenuous, especially on drawing comparisons to American legacy carriers.

[calypso]

That is right fellows, lets keep bashing anyone that wants pay to keep up with inflation and drive this profession to the ground. Good call.

[wondering]

Maybe not exactly Western World but still Europe, LOT Polish Airlines 787 co-pilots earn max 89€/hr, cpts 112€/hr.

PS: Quote: 'You will not find a pilot in Europe or North America who earns less than $250 per hour on a 787 plane.' - Definitely wrong.

[Klimax]

That´s right. More Eastern Europe than Western Europe.

[FlyingStone]

Part of the difference might be that pilots in the Western world work all 7 days of the week...

[Clop_Clop]

Maybe not exactly Western World but still Europe, LOT Polish Airlines 787 co-pilots earn max 89€/hr, cpts 112€/hr.

PS: Quote: 'You will not find a pilot in Europe or North America who earns less than $250 per hour on a 787 plane.' - Definitely wrong.

See the point but then again El Al probably has some form of collective bargaining setup in contrast to Lot there, so it's not really fair to compare the two unless I am missing something.

[White Van Driver]

Maybe not exactly Western World but still Europe, LOT Polish Airlines 787 co-pilots earn max 89€/hr, cpts 112€/hr.

PS: Quote: 'You will not find a pilot in Europe or North America who earns less than $250 per hour on a 787 plane.' - Definitely wrong.

Quick point of order, a BA 787 pilot starts on USD 113/hr including flight pay (salaried, based on 800hrs/yr). This increases by just under $4/hr for each year seniority.
Sorry for the thread drift but it seems I'm being paid under half the going rate?

[Flocks]

I m right to day in USA they use some factors hours for there salary ?
meaning you can fly 500hr real hours a year but be paid 1200hr factors hours (depending night shift, or difficult trip or some rules I don't know, ...)

So at the end, an usa CPT paid xxx$/hr is in fact paid much more per real hour.

I am correct ?

Nothing like this in Europe that I m aware of.

[am111]

I m right to day in USA they use some factors hours for there salary ?
meaning you can fly 500hr real hours a year but be paid 1200hr factors hours (depending night shift, or difficult trip or some rules I don't know, ...)

So at the end, an usa CPT paid xxx$/hr is in fact paid much more per real hour.

I am correct ?

Nothing like this in Europe that I m aware of.

The way I understand pilot salaries in the US is that they are paid an hourly rate with a minimum guarantee of usually around 70-75 hours per month. So if they work 50 hours, they get paid for 70. If they work 80, they get paid for 80. Some also have overtime rates for hours worked over a certain amount. There are also rate increases for international duties and per diems on top. I can’t imagine that a pilot often works less than the minimum guarantee except in periods of economic downturn. At which point US pilots will get furloughed. No pay, but get to keep their seniority when called back to work.

[hans brinker]

The way I understand pilot salaries in the US is that they are paid an hourly rate with a minimum guarantee of usually around 70-75 hours per month. So if they work 50 hours, they get paid for 70. If they work 80, they get paid for 80. Some also have overtime rates for hours worked over a certain amount. There are also rate increases for international duties and per diems on top. I can’t imagine that a pilot often works less than the minimum guarantee except in periods of economic downturn. At which point US pilots will get furloughed. No pay, but get to keep their seniority when called back to work.

So a few additions. During COVID most airlines in the US received government aid to keep people on the payroll. A lot off pilots took the deal, it was 50% to 75% pay to be home for up to 5 years (although all got recalled before the time was up). Also my guarantee is 75 hours but because our work rules I typically get 80 hours of pay to fly 60 per month before any premium pay for working extra. I work for a ULCC and get around $250/hour if you include the company contribution to my retirement fund. On top of that, we get 200% for working on our days off, but the way those trips work it is really way more. I probably do a one day trip that pays 20 to 30 hours @ $250/hour every three months. Work 15 days a month, make $300K/year. Work for the second lowest paying carrier in the USA. All union. I will let you guess where I was born based on my username. What happened to aviation in the EU? (I worked there for years before making the jump.)