Quad meeting tokyo

[airspace alpha]

RAAF A330 and a BBJ en-route to NRT this evening, just curious- why two? Nothing to do with politics as the logistics must have been worked out some tine ago. media contingent?- I would have thought either A330 had capacity or enough local TYO coverage. Back-up , possibly? Political staffers? Possibly for G7 but Quad? And in reality no staffers yet appointed. Of course Biden will have AF1, 3 C17s, kneecap and a sh*tload of others. India a B777. But why 2 for Australia?
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[SHVC]

Back up Aircraft. Would be little embarrassing to go tech and have to come home in ANA.

[airspace alpha]

Aahh….ETOPS. Of course the RAAF could always have taken on an ex QF B744. Or even cheaper, an ex QF A380!

[PoppaJo]

Nearly 10 hours for the 737 direct. Quite impressive.

[galdian]

Just interested, one for the boffins.

What is the maximum time range for, say a 737-800 stripped down to VIP limited pax and the rest fuel, fuel,fuel?

Of course that should be pax AND their baggage travelling together, apparently an interesting concept Qantas might consider if you believe other Pprune threads! :} ;)

Cheers

[chimbu warrior]

Nearly 10 hours for the 737 direct. Quite impressive.

Not sure how the RAAF BBJ's are configured, but some BBJ's have up to 50% more fuel than a regular NG, so such legs are quite feasible.

[WingNut60]

Actually, the A330 looks like it's headed for Haneda - not Narita.

[Icarus2001]

What is the maximum time range for, say a 737-800 Which do you want? Range or time?

[zerograv]

Nearly 10 hours for the 737 direct. Quite impressive.

If you don't have a great deal of payload to carry, or better still, if you happen to be empty just ferrying the machine, then fill it up to maximum fuel and you will be able to go a great deal further. Some machines can do 50% more endurance under such conditions than what is possible to achive under 'normal' transport conditions.

Even with a full load of fuel, but little or no payload, the aircraft in reality will be light, and the fuel comsumption per hour will be less than if it would be, for instance, with half fuel and a full load of pax and/or cargo.

[megle2]

There you go PoppaJo, that’s handy info for you :)

[markis10]

11390km is the RAAFs published range for their BBJs

[Acrosport II]

Aahh….ETOPS. Of course the RAAF could always have taken on an ex QF B744. Or even cheaper, an ex QF A380!

Never really thought of it before.

Do the military operate under ETOPs?

Didn't think they would, that's a PAX airline requirement?.

The U2 have probably done some long overwater flights.

[Koan]

Heard AF 1 Canada FIR responding to AF01. Security stepped up in Tokyo while POTUS
still in Korea. They sure like to make a big show with hundreds of extra officers and police vans.

[t_cas]

Just interested, one for the boffins.

What is the maximum time range for, say a 737-800 stripped down to VIP limited pax and the rest fuel, fuel,fuel?

Of course that should be pax AND their baggage travelling together, apparently an interesting concept Qantas might consider if you believe other Pprune threads! :} ;)

Cheers


The BBJ combines the fuselage of the Boeing 737-700 commercial airliner, with a strengthened rear section. It has the centre-section, wing and landing gear of a 737-800.

[turbantime]

Aux tanks is the answer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Business_Jet

https://www.airforce.gov.au/technology/aircraft/air-mobility/737-boeing-business-jet

[neville_nobody]

RAAF A330 and a BBJ en-route to NRT this evening, just curious- why two? Nothing to do with politics as the logistics must have been worked out some tine ago. media contingent?- I would have thought either A330 had capacity or enough local TYO coverage. Back-up , possibly? Political staffers? Possibly for G7 but Quad? And in reality no staffers yet appointed. Of course Biden will have AF1, 3 C17s, kneecap and a sh*tload of others. India a B777. But why 2 for Australia?

And this is where the hypocrisy of the climate change agenda comes to the fore. These folks are making everyone feel bad about a high standard of living and want to exponentially increase our cost of living whilst they take two private aircraft overseas when they could have flown commercial or sailed if they were fair dinkum. Bit like that Davos meeting a few years ago......

[SHVC]

If you watch PW closely when she is in the room with AA, you can see the hatred she has for him. He won’t last long before she makes a spill for the PM.

[airspace alpha]

Dear lord, I started this thread with a simple non-political question as clearly the logistice were organised some time before the election. The last few replies have been risible.

[tossbag]

F@ck, are you serious mate? You're posting on a social media site, similar to facebook but a bit different. Where did you think you were posting? On a secure private company intranet?

[601]

then fill it up to maximum fuel
And jerrycans on each seat?

[zerograv]

And jerrycans on each seat?

Nope, not the case. No jerrycans needed.
By filling it up to the maximum fuel, it was meant the maximum capacity of the fuel tanks installed in the aircraft.
Jerrycans would be tricky and it would have to be certified and so on.
Then again, for the military the rules are likely to be a lot different and maybe jerrycans are allowed ...

[UnderneathTheRadar]

If you watch PW closely when she is in the room with AA, you can see the hatred she has for him. He won’t last long before she makes a spill for the PM.

HaHaHa - never let the minor detail of PW being a senator get in the way of your prejudices.....

[ChrisJ800]

Is the A330 Shark One? Will it get renamed? I understand ScoMo never let other pollies sleep in the bed on Shark One. So many questions....

[Stationair8]

Already disappointed in Albo, being a houso I thought he would have turned wearing thongs, singlet board shorts and flown Jetstar up to Japan.

[neville_nobody]

Dear lord, I started this thread with a simple non-political question as clearly the logistice were organised some time before the election. The last few replies have been risible.

I think you will find the real answer is that we don't have a dedicated long range VIP aircraft because it "looks bad" (to whom I don't actually know given that just about every country in the world runs a widebody) . They should have just bitten the bullet years ago and gotten a 777/330 with AUX tanks and a proper VIP interior with secure coms etc and the problem would be solved. However in Australia if you do something like that then you will be destroyed by the press and the opposition. So instead we now take two aircraft.:rolleyes: Which is obviously a bit difficult if you want to make a big deal about climate change.

[t_cas]

I think you will find the real answer is that we don't have a dedicated long range aircraft VIP aircraft because it "looks bad" (to whom I don't actually know given that just about every country in the world runs a widebody) . They should have just bitten the bullet years ago and gotten a 777/330 with AUX tanks and a proper VIP interior with secure coms etc and the problem would be solved. However in Australia if you do something like that then you will be destroyed by the press and the opposition. So instead we now take two aircraft.:rolleyes: Which is obviously a bit difficult if you want to make a big deal about climate change.

The A330-200 IS a flying fuel tank.

[neville_nobody]

What is the problem that needed solving? What else are you going to use it for? .

It goes back a long time but the issue fundamentally is that the BBJ isn't really suitable for long range missions as it doesn't have the payload capability and no crew rest. There also is a limit of the number of extra pax you can carry. (This issue came up in the Garuda Jogjakarta Accident) All this disappears if you get a wide body aircraft. The problem in Australia is that you will be pilloried by the press if you go and buy such an aircraft, even though that is what is required. So the compromise was use the Tanker with a VIP plug in interior instead of a dedicated aircraft.

[markis10]

I would suggest the BBJ is accomodating Senator Wong on her trip to Nadi ex Tokyo.

[Fliegenmong]

I would imagine the logistics of this were worked out well in advance, posssibly even expecting the LNP to be returned to office?? I'm fairly certain the RAAF plan things well in advance. I might be wroung, maybe they 'scramble' to a known upcoming meeting??

[dr dre]

Penny Wong was removed from all pre-election campaigning BECAUSE she is hated by the Oz public, since the Labor party has won, Penny Wong is constantly on TV. I'm prepared to put money on the table that she will stab Also in the back soon to and take over as leader. Love the houso comment by the way.

As the link posted above shows a poll done recently in trust showed PW as the most trusted leader in Australia, Albo second. On the opposite end of the scale Morrison is (or should I say was!) the least trusted, followed a close second by Dutton, the guy the Liberals think will win them back those lost votes.....

There’s also a thread on Jet Blast where we can argue Aussie politics all day long, leave these forums to somewhat aviation related content.

[mauswara]

-700= 8 Hrs -800= 7 Hrs.BBJ has extra tank(s) under floor.