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Old 23rd May 2022, 09:37
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Quad meeting tokyo

RAAF A330 and a BBJ en-route to NRT this evening, just curious- why two? Nothing to do with politics as the logistics must have been worked out some tine ago. media contingent?- I would have thought either A330 had capacity or enough local TYO coverage. Back-up , possibly? Political staffers? Possibly for G7 but Quad? And in reality no staffers yet appointed. Of course Biden will have AF1, 3 C17s, kneecap and a sh*tload of others. India a B777. But why 2 for Australia?

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Old 23rd May 2022, 09:39
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Back up Aircraft. Would be little embarrassing to go tech and have to come home in ANA.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 09:44
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Aahh….ETOPS. Of course the RAAF could always have taken on an ex QF B744. Or even cheaper, an ex QF A380!
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Nearly 10 hours for the 737 direct. Quite impressive.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 12:36
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Just interested, one for the boffins.

What is the maximum time range for, say a 737-800 stripped down to VIP limited pax and the rest fuel, fuel,fuel?

Of course that should be pax AND their baggage travelling together, apparently an interesting concept Qantas might consider if you believe other PPRuNe threads!

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Old 23rd May 2022, 13:51
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Nearly 10 hours for the 737 direct. Quite impressive.
Not sure how the RAAF BBJ's are configured, but some BBJ's have up to 50% more fuel than a regular NG, so such legs are quite feasible.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 13:54
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Actually, the A330 looks like it's headed for Haneda - not Narita.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 14:33
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What is the maximum time range for, say a 737-800
Which do you want? Range or time?
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Old 23rd May 2022, 17:36
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post
Nearly 10 hours for the 737 direct. Quite impressive.
If you don't have a great deal of payload to carry, or better still, if you happen to be empty just ferrying the machine, then fill it up to maximum fuel and you will be able to go a great deal further. Some machines can do 50% more endurance under such conditions than what is possible to achive under 'normal' transport conditions.

Even with a full load of fuel, but little or no payload, the aircraft in reality will be light, and the fuel comsumption per hour will be less than if it would be, for instance, with half fuel and a full load of pax and/or cargo.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 19:24
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There you go PoppaJo, that’s handy info for you
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Old 23rd May 2022, 20:16
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11390km is the RAAFs published range for their BBJs
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Old 24th May 2022, 00:36
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Originally Posted by airspace alpha View Post
Aahh….ETOPS. Of course the RAAF could always have taken on an ex QF B744. Or even cheaper, an ex QF A380!
Never really thought of it before.

Do the military operate under ETOPs?

Didn't think they would, that's a PAX airline requirement?.

The U2 have probably done some long overwater flights.
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Old 24th May 2022, 00:38
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Heard AF 1 Canada FIR responding to AF01. Security stepped up in Tokyo while POTUS
still in Korea. They sure like to make a big show with hundreds of extra officers and police vans.
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Old 24th May 2022, 05:28
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Originally Posted by galdian View Post
Just interested, one for the boffins.

What is the maximum time range for, say a 737-800 stripped down to VIP limited pax and the rest fuel, fuel,fuel?

Of course that should be pax AND their baggage travelling together, apparently an interesting concept Qantas might consider if you believe other PPRuNe threads!

Cheers

The BBJ combines the fuselage of the Boeing 737-700 commercial airliner, with a strengthened rear section. It has the centre-section, wing and landing gear of a 737-800.
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Aux tanks is the answer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Business_Jet

https://www.airforce.gov.au/technolo...g-business-jet
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RAAF A330 and a BBJ en-route to NRT this evening, just curious- why two? Nothing to do with politics as the logistics must have been worked out some tine ago. media contingent?- I would have thought either A330 had capacity or enough local TYO coverage. Back-up , possibly? Political staffers? Possibly for G7 but Quad? And in reality no staffers yet appointed. Of course Biden will have AF1, 3 C17s, kneecap and a sh*tload of others. India a B777. But why 2 for Australia?
And this is where the hypocrisy of the climate change agenda comes to the fore. These folks are making everyone feel bad about a high standard of living and want to exponentially increase our cost of living whilst they take two private aircraft overseas when they could have flown commercial or sailed if they were fair dinkum. Bit like that Davos meeting a few years ago......
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Old 24th May 2022, 09:10
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If you watch PW closely when she is in the room with AA, you can see the hatred she has for him. He won’t last long before she makes a spill for the PM.
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Old 24th May 2022, 10:00
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Dear lord, I started this thread with a simple non-political question as clearly the logistice were organised some time before the election. The last few replies have been risible.
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[email protected], are you serious mate? You're posting on a social media site, similar to facebook but a bit different. Where did you think you were posting? On a secure private company intranet?
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then fill it up to maximum fuel
And jerrycans on each seat?
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