How much would a strike cost network aviation?

[jaybird1]

With eroding conditions for cabin and flight crew such as roster protections and an eba up for negotionations. How much could a strike cost NAA with charter penalties etc.

[smiling monkey]

I dare say NAA would cross hire Alliance or Skippers to fill the void caused by any strikes. They both have extra capacity, especially the latter having lost some major F100 contracts recently.

[PoppaJo]

They will go to any lengths. Don’t put it past them they would even bring over Jetstar Kiwi drivers on a temp secondment if they needed to (payrise, sunshine, more hours..).

[brokenagain]

Don’t put it past them they would even bring over Jetstar Kiwi drivers on a temp secondment if they needed to (payrise, sunshine, more hours..).

Chairman MaoGowan might have something to say about that.

[Transition Layer]

Chairman MaoGowan might have something to say about that.
Not to mention Queen Jacinda of the South - she’d never allow them back home

[Skippy69]

I doubt this would happen regardless. People wouldn't want to risk their jobs in this economy- understandingly so.

There are plenty of 250 hr cadets to swoop in and save the day afterall.

Gotta be able to have those top dogs get their bonus' right?

[pinkpanther1]

Out of curiosity, how much roughly would say a NWK 320 FO make for the FY compared to a QF 73 FO after allowances etc (assuming pre covid levels of flying)

[Brakerider]

Out of curiosity, how much roughly would say a NWK 320 FO make for the FY compared to a QF 73 FO after allowances etc (assuming pre covid levels of flying)

The flying and lifestyle are completely different. It wouldn't be fair to compare.

[Angle of Attack]

Out of curiosity, how much roughly would say a NWK 320 FO make for the FY compared to a QF 73 FO after allowances etc (assuming pre covid levels of flying)

Pre COVID? Forget the lifestyle, a QF FO would easily exceed double the Network FO, about 230% actually

[Brakerider]

Pre COVID? Forget the lifestyle, a QF FO would easily exceed double the Network FO, about 230% actually

Again, not really fair to say. Not all QF 737 FOs were earning $240k +

[43Inches]

Is the current lifestyle written into the Network contracts or are you just saying that based on current flying rosters, because if its not in the contract, its not comparable at all. If its not in the contract one day you might find yourself with less lifestyle rostering than the QF alternative, why, because they can. Unless they have a scope clause mother could just roster you to do the flying that QF pilots can't because of EBA restraints.

[Brakerider]

Network Aviation F/O Base - $107k

QF Short Haul F/O Base - $141k

So yes, a significant difference, especially when factoring in overtime and nights away from home. Maybe not so significant depending on how you value time spent at home.

[Sparrows.]

Network Aviation F/O Base - $107k

QF Short Haul F/O Base - $141k

So yes, a significant difference, especially when factoring in overtime and nights away from home. Maybe not so significant depending on how you value time spent at home.

Especially factoring in the number of hours included in the base pay before overtime kicks in.

[Mr Proach]

Is the current lifestyle written into the Network contracts or are you just saying that based on current flying rosters, because if its not in the contract, its not comparable at all. If its not in the contract one day you might find yourself with less lifestyle rostering than the QF alternative, why, because they can. Unless they have a scope clause mother could just roster you to do the flying that QF pilots can't because of EBA restraints.
Bingo!... Demisters provide a clear view however, so many elect to accept a foggy vision.

[Buttscratcher]

https://youtu.be/QbIiLxoOVJg

[Bull_Shark]

That's quoting an F100 FO base @ NAA. 320 base is around $120k

Yeah 120k base for the 320 and nothing more because there are no allowances on top of that…

[Buttscratcher]

They have Productivity, don't they?

[non_state_actor]

In the past Mining companies have paid for charter aircraft to be sitting on standby if a work stoppage was likely by someone. Can't see why that won't happen again.

[ShandywithSugar]

Strike?:{ Crew are scared of Ops and say yes to every request,duty change and extensions. Crew won't even enforce what little protections are current. The change to the JQ EBA should be welcomed when it comes.

[Buttscratcher]

Nice one, Shandy.
For NAA to simply duplicate whatever EBA Jetstar comes out with makes a lot of sense.

[PoppaJo]

It will result in xx millions of extra wages a year why would Alan ever agree to that?

[Keg]

Given recent history if NAA pilots threatened PIA that involved work stoppages, not only could the flying be covered by other parts of the group relatively easily (at least in the short term), one might find that Joyce decides to apply to terminate the EA.

A negotiated outcome is almost always the better outcome.

[Buttscratcher]

Fair call, but weren't they the only QF group to make bill in the last 2 years?
Hell, actually doubled in size, didn't they?

[SandyPalms]

Don’t know. You have some info for us? What has that got to do with Keg’s comments?

[PoppaJo]

Profit is irrelevant. Jetstar pulls in 400m (well did) and they didn’t want to even give pilots 5 cents.

It’s like they forecast and plan (over plan might I add) margins in this company but don’t allocate for wage growth. When the good people then go asking for a decent wage, they get told no because our margin aspirations are now not achievable, putting managers targets out of reach hence no bonus for them. They have some crazy 24% margin aspiration at Jetstar. Employees are paying for that might I add. They will say we can’t get to those levels of profitability if we need to pay our employees more than bare minimum. Well that will bite them on the ar$e in the future when people leave for better jobs somewhere else.

Unfortunately pilots will be held by the balls for the next few years but don’t forget those billion dollar profit days will be back, don’t sign your life away forever and ever.

[kimbobimbo]

You guys are all funny, talking about strikes and stuff. Just a reminder that our EBA, which is expired by MORE than the CC eba that was cancelled by AJ, is over due by going on 18 months and RH has not even managed one meeting! All meetings have been cancelled by management. Do not underestimate how low a priority our EBA is, its not even a thing in the office that is considered. They DONT care. Soooo many other disasters to deal with.

IF you want something to happen you need to talk to your union. But it will take a massive shift in pilot mentality to actually have the will to make the demand. Most FO’s are drooling over a command and wouldn’t even write a safety report if they thought it meant compromising THEIR command. It’s been the same forever.

PS, if you’re not in a union you really don’t deserve an opinion…

[gordonfvckingramsay]

It is curious to me that EBA negotiations are being treated with such a low priority when, within 6-12 months, there will be the highest demand on air travel in history. That’s world wide. You would think management would be rushing to throw a few dollars and a few lifestyle choices our way, and get an agreement squared away before we gain any bargaining power.

It makes me wonder what they know that we don’t, or if they only have one playbook. Are they hoping to use this as a catalyst for lobbying the government to let cheap labour in from overseas or something like that.

[PoppaJo]

Meanwhile over in the States...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/avelo-raising-pay-offering-bonuses-amid-global-pilot-shortage-2022-1%3famp

[Icarus2001]

Are they hoping to use this as a catalyst for lobbying the government to let cheap labour in from overseas or something like that.

I love this old chestnut.

From which country is this flood of foreign labour, qualified pilots with experience, coming?

[neville_nobody]

From which country is this flood of foreign labour, qualified pilots with experience, coming?

They would head off to the Middle East and take easy pickings from there. Then move onto Europe and Africa. Australia is still a very desirable place to live so there is a while yet until a real pilot shortage especially to fly jet aircraft. Not to mention ex CX guys who want out.

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Australia is still a very desirable place to live so there is a while yet until a real pilot shortage especially to fly jet aircraft.

Not if airlines keep getting their way and keep screwing T&C down. Australia is quickly becoming a complete ****show. A couple decades of stagnant wage growth and a fair work commission giving away free kicks to any corporation who asks means Oz is not the lucky country anymore.

[neville_nobody]

Not if airlines keep getting their way and keep screwing T&C down. Australia is quickly becoming a complete ****show. A couple decades of stagnant wage growth and a fair work commission giving away free kicks to any corporation who asks means Oz is not the lucky country anymore.


Yes but compared to Africa or certain parts of Europe, or any Middle Eastern country it’s highly desirable. I have met Europeans who have migrated here for the weather and lifestyle alone. The thought of never seeing a real winter again is quite appealing for some. And if you’re British then a lot of welfare & health benefits are also recognised.