Great news! Looks like Qantas will bounce back nicely!

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Excerpt from the Australian 17th December

Qantas flying high after Covid: analysts

Qantas will emerge from the pandemic with higher earnings than before Covid-19, according to equities analysts at Macquarie.

In a note following the airline’s investor update on Thursday, the investment bank’s research team said Qantas had become “a structurally better business, considering cost-out and cash generation will continue to reduce debt levels, also supported by recent land-sale proceeds”.

Despite the gradual easing of international travel restrictions, the analysts expect the airline to only recover to 90 per cent of pre-pandemic flight capacity in the 2023-24 financial year.

“We continue to push the rerating thesis, considering the improving outlook and structural business improvements that have been made through COVID – this will eventually support higher profitability,” the note reads.

“Whilst we are positive ... the high operating leverage within the business, and ... delays in easing travel restrictions across both domestic/international could derail the thesis. “

In the update, Qantas said domestic capacity was expected to exceed pre-pandemic levels by 2 per cent by early next year and 17 per cent in the three months to June 30, 2022.

Delivering the update, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said the airline would lodge its biggest aircraft order with European manufacturer Airbus.
A fleet of 134 A320neo and A220 jets will replace Qantas’s existing domestic Boeing 737s and 717s over the next decade.

But the airline also unveiled an expected loss in excess of $1.1bn for the first half of the 2022 financial year due to the crippling of travel by the pandemic.

The last six months had been the worst of the pandemic for the company, Mr Joyce said, with Qantas and Jetstar reduced to just 18 per cent of earlier levels.

“We think by April Jetstar will be back to 120 per cent and Qantas will be around 115 per cent, and by June international flying will be up around 50 per cent,” he said.

UBS analyst Andrew Fromyhr said current financial year earnings were less important for Qantas than expectations for the state of the market after recovery.

“Today’s commentary on Qantas’s liquidity position in our view confirms that the upside in Qantas is a ‘when’ not an ‘if’ story,” Mr Fromyhr wrote.

“Overall the stock is largely in wait and see mode, as we watch how demand comes back with open borders,” Citi’s Samuel Seow wrote to his clients.
“Nevertheless we see a few factors that skew towards a positive stance on the stock.

“Early website traffic suggests a bounce-back from Omicron fears, while planned capacity remains strong.

“Additionally at these levels we largely think international is not priced in.”

[Duck Pilot]

Probably a bit of reality in article. Reality is that QF aren’t potentially financially unstable in comparison to their domestic competitors.

From a customer perspective, my preference is to fly QF or secondly one of their subsidiaries all the time regardless of the cost. 99% of the time they are a lot cheaper than their competitors anyway.

[LexAir]

Easy to survive when you receive 100s of millions in tax payer funds. Pity about all the small players that got no support at all.

[TimmyTee]

Like Duck Pilot, I too have shares/a vested interest in QF too, so fully agree 100% of the time they are the best, cheapest, fastest and most generous airline. Fly Qantas

[Australopithecus]

Easy to survive when you receive 100s of millions in tax payer funds. Pity about all the small players that got no support at all.

Easy to forget that Qantas employees contribute hundreds of millions of tax dollars per annum to the commonwealth*And the company hundreds of millions more.

*And that’s why it’s called that.

[nivsy]

Easy to survive when you receive 100s of millions in tax payer funds. Pity about all the small players that got no support at all.
Yes I do agree. They are still very anti competitive, have crazy domestic prices and pretty poor loads?

[LexAir]

Easy to forget that Qantas employees contribute hundreds of millions of tax dollars per annum to the commonwealth*And the company hundreds of millions more.

*And that’s why it’s called that.
QANTAS can get stuffed. It should be allowed to fail like any other private enterprise business. There will always be another company come along to replace a failed one. Just look at the history of airlines since deregulation. Are we a socialist economy or a capitalist economy?

[Ladloy]

QANTAS can get stuffed. It should be allowed to fail like any other private enterprise business. There will always be another company come along to replace a failed one. Just look at the history of airlines since deregulation. Are we a socialist economy or a capitalist economy?
Corporate socialism is very strong in Australia but that's where it ends.

[Icarus2001]

Easy to forget that Qantas employees contribute hundreds of millions of tax dollars per annum to the commonwealth*And the company hundreds of millions more

Well you are half right….

https://www.afr.com/policy/tax-and-super/thats-the-way-it-works-alan-joyce-on-why-qantas-pays-no-corporate-tax-20180215-h0w44g

[Australopithecus]

QANTAS can get stuffed. It should be allowed to fail like any other private enterprise business. There will always be another company come along to replace a failed one. Just look at the history of airlines since deregulation. Are we a socialist economy or a capitalist economy?

hey, ever see the movie “Argo”? There’s a line from it that makes me think of you.

[LostWanderer]

To quote Homer Simpson “people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that”

Of course we all want to see intl and domestic numbers bounce back but these are some damn bold a$$ predictions to be making right now and A LOT needs to change for it to have any chance of coming remotely true. Can’t speak for anyone else but the domestic terminals I’ve been in are virtually ghost towns and loads to match, there is next to no confidence or desire to travel by most Aussies and who can blame them.

Further, we don’t have any data yet to even give the slightest indication of possible international travel numbers given the border is closed to all but Australian citizens and residents. Do we even know tourists of any significant number want to travel down under in the near future? The damage done to Australia’s reputation by constant and ever changing border closures/restrictions at short notice will take some time to be undone.

Point being, maybe it will all be sunshine and rainbows coming up…but it probably won’t. Unless state premiers are giving away secret info to Alan about their plans to drop all testing/mask/isolation/other requirements to enter I personally am still expecting to see all demand very heavily suppressed for quite some time yet. The effects of COVID, trust in the system and fear associated with the virus ain’t gonna vanish that fast, folks!

[packapoo]

Just addressing the thread title here......Gosh. What a surprise....Who'da..

[Ollie Onion]

EVERY Airline in the world has had support of some kind, Air NZ has had $1.5 billion of Government money ‘loaned’ to it and about $120 million in direct subsidies to fly freight. Virgin Australia was for all money bankrupt and has had capital pumped in by Bain with hundreds of millions in debt just simply written off. Regional airlines were subsidised with Government paid flying, BA had 80% of it wage bill paid by the Government and continues to get that support. Fact of the matter is it is in all of our interests for Qantas AND Virgin to emerge from this intact as there will be huge opportunities in play due to pent up travel demand.

[3Greens]

EVERY Airline in the world has had support of some kind, Air NZ has had $1.5 billion of Government money ‘loaned’ to it and about $120 million in direct subsidies to fly freight. Virgin Australia was for all money bankrupt and has had capital pumped in by Bain with hundreds of millions in debt just simply written off. Regional airlines were subsidised with Government paid flying, BA had 80% of it wage bill paid by the Government and continues to get that support. Fact of the matter is it is in all of our interests for Qantas AND Virgin to emerge from this intact as there will be huge opportunities in play due to pent up travel demand.

BA no longer receives any goverment support since the furlough scheme ended in September

[Cedrik]

Like Duck Pilot, I too have shares/a vested interest in QF too, so fully agree 100% of the time they are the best, cheapest, fastest and most generous airline. Fly Qantas
You haven't flown with anybody else then? :8

[PoppaJo]

The service is better at Virgin. They have matched RexJet in pricing, best offer going around atm. I don’t even bother with Standby stuff at those prices.

[TimmyTee]

Has Alan asked his employees directly in a town hall to go out and talk up QF? (in the same way he asked them to all whinge publicly to the fed gov to stop other airlines being helped when the first wave hit).
This thread is utterly bizarre

[Climb150]

Couldn't give a crap about Qantas and anyone that does usually works for them now or wants to in the future.

Refusing to refund people their money over covid and the forever outsourcing everything they can will come back to bite them.

[Maggie Island]

Refusing to refund people their money over covid and the forever outsourcing everything they can will come back to bite them.

Everyone who booked directly with them had the option to get their money back. Everyone who booked with travel agent scum deserves whatever they got.

[Climb150]

Everyone who booked directly with them had the option to get their money back. Everyone who booked with travel agent scum deserves whatever they got.

Thank you for the compassion you show towards older Australians or people who had complex travel arrangements. Qantas have made it very difficult to get a refund no matter how you booked.

Go and be a Qantas fan boy somewhere else thanks.

[morno]

Thank you for the compassion you show towards older Australians or people who had complex travel arrangements. Qantas have made it very difficult to get a refund no matter how you booked.

Go and be a Qantas fan boy somewhere else thanks.

I fail to see what you get out of hanging **** on them here though. Strange.

I’m sure the terms and conditions covered it, but if you older Australians can’t be bothered reading them, then we younger Australians can’t help you.

[Climb150]

I fail to see what you get out of hanging **** on them here though. Strange.

I’m sure the terms and conditions covered it, but if you older Australians can’t be bothered reading them, then we younger Australians can’t help you.

You mean the terms and conditions that are swayed almost 100% in Qantas favour?

​​​​My parents still use a travel agent. They are from a generation where they think if you book through a reputable agent with a reputable airline than they should do right by you if everything goes south.

Sadly Qantas have gone out of their way to make it almost impossible for some people to get a refund which they are legally entitled too.

It's not like buying the "Chuck Norris total gym" after an infomercial then complaining they charged your card for more than you thought.

The reason I hung s&it on the guy is because he practically victim blaming people for using a travel agent.

[PoppaJo]

The bodies are reviewing consumer rights around airfares in the first half of next year, needs to be considerable change in that space swayed toward the customer.

Also needs to be considerable penalties towards airlines who go against any rules. Remember the Credit Card rort? ‘Per Passenger Per Sector’? Tiger used to charge a ‘Refund Fee’. That cost them millions in fines.

I can go into Kmart with a receipt and get a refund for change of mind for a few months post purchase. Why are airlines any different? They are all customer facing businesses. Airline executives have been taking passengers to the cleaners for years. We let them so why the hell not.

[Chris2303]

Everyone who booked with travel agent scum deserves whatever they got.

Thanks for calling me scum. I can't say what I think you are

[morno]

You mean the terms and conditions that are swayed almost 100% in Qantas favour?

​​​​My parents still use a travel agent. They are from a generation where they think if you book through a reputable agent with a reputable airline than they should do right by you if everything goes south.

Sadly Qantas have gone out of their way to make it almost impossible for some people to get a refund which they are legally entitled too.

It's not like buying the "Chuck Norris total gym" after an infomercial then complaining they charged your card for more than you thought.

The reason I hung s&it on the guy is because he practically victim blaming people for using a travel agent.

Well let the ACCC decide. There’s also the bus if they don’t like the terms that are publicly available to view before you buy the fare.

[MickG0105]

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I can go into Kmart with a receipt and get a refund for change of mind for a few months post purchase.
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I think you'll find that at Kmart it has to be returned in a re-saleable condition (still in original packaging, unworn, unopened, unused and in its original condition) within 28 days of purchase. But your point is valid - there's a range of refund policies out there and airlines are often less consumer friendly (and that's despite them often not having actually delivered any service to you even though they've got your hard-earneds).

[PoppaJo]

Southwest is a good example and that’s why I and many use them. They don’t charge change fees. Cancel and it goes into a credit shell for a year.

Need the bodies to work around delays and compensation also. Tiger used to cancel flights and offer a alternative a few days later, with no compensation. Multiple daily delays 4-5 hours because they opted to downgrade to ratty old 737s. Again the passengers just sit around. Some countries you will earn compensation the longer the delay rolls on.

Jetstar also will change your flight, to a new time, and if it’s within a few hours only, you are not entitled to anything. Any changes at all should be refund or whatever flight on the day or night before/after you wish.

Just you watch all the executives come out swinging once all these charges are pulled back. They all cracked it when they pulled back in the credit card rorts. I couldn’t believe it, airline bosses publicly whinging that the business is now potentially unviable because we are not allowed to rort the general public anymore. These people need to be fined personally.

[Icarus2001]

Since we have pulled back the curtain to talk about consumer rights and aviation, have a look at European consumer rights…

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/holidays/article-2271213/How-claim-EU-flight-delay-compensation-EC-261-2004.html

Three hours late on arrival on you can claim up to €300 or four hours up to €600.

It makes the airline try a little bit harder, none of this “sorry your flight is cancelled, here is a credit for the fare” nonsense.

Again, Australia is a developing country.

[donpizmeov]

Since we have pulled back the curtain to talk about consumer rights and aviation, have a look at European consumer rights…

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/holidays/article-2271213/How-claim-EU-flight-delay-compensation-EC-261-2004.html

Three hours late on arrival on you can claim up to €300 or four hours up to €600.

It makes the airline try a little bit harder, none of this “sorry your flight is cancelled, here is a credit for the fare” nonsense.

Again, Australia is a developing country.

That rule was made to stop those scumbag tinker run airlines from canceling flights if the load of 5 pound fare travelers were not enough. Flight cancelled, no refund, only a voucher, and the next flight already over booked.

One needs perspective.

[bazza stub]

That rule was made to stop those scumbag tinker run airlines from canceling flights if the load of 5 pound fare travelers were not enough. Flight cancelled, no refund, only a voucher, and the next flight already over booked.

One needs perspective.

Probably a good time to get those laws locked in before that kind of caper starts here then.