Small plane crashes into empty building outside Milan, all 8 onboard die

[Bloated Stomach]

Just been reported.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/small-plane-crashes-into-empty-building-outside-milan-all-8-onboard-die-2021-10-03/

[Bonzo777]

Aircraft registered in Romania.

[DaveReidUK]

2015-built Pilatus PC-12.

[Del Prado]

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yr-pdv#295f5ded

[Just a spotter]

Reports of a Pilatus PC-12 with 8 on-board crashing soon after take off from Linate airport.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/03/italy-eight-killed-as-light-plane-crashes-into-empty-office-building-in-milan-suburb

[DaveReidUK]

The empty building under construction that the PC-12 hit is directly across the road from a 6-storey car park that serves the terminus of the Milan metro line M3.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/544x362/milan_mscp_08d02ead4d6c226275ecc8721910b1fc40811713.jpg

Could have been a whole lot worse.

Milano, precipita un ultraleggero: incendio a San Donato (mediaset.it) (https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/milano-precipita-un-ultraleggero-incendio-a-san-donato_38962139-202102k.shtml?fbclid=IwAR1mQoTfyqerNR5wfRzZKYao0_K7d83R4EiI8 VNoyx2HtlSm1aIbIcPsj7U)

[nevillestyke]

Ironically, the crash site was in via 8 ottobre 2001, named to commemorate the previous Linate crash in which one of my wife's fellow Unilever employees died, along with 117 others.

[Mike Flynn]

One of Romanias richest men according to this report.
https://www.italy24news.com/local/208989.html

[DaveReidUK]

nevillestyke

That would have been sadly ironic had it been true, but it isn't (though it's not far away). The building hit is in Via Giuseppe ("Peppino") Impastato, opposite the Emilia MSCP (visible on Google Maps/GE though not yet on Streetview).

Incidentally the ADS-B data suggests that the PC-12 augured in from 5000'.

[Gianni57]

Italian media spoke about an engine failure based on testimonies by people on the ground. I think that it's the usual emotional reaction to the shock of watching an air crash: "ball of fire", "trail of fire" etc. Looking at the data available on Flightradar24, it's clear that the engine was running (positive rate of climb, even if very unstable) and that the pilot didn't try to land again in LIML (he passed the threshold of runway 36 without descending). My guess: crew incapacitation; or incorrect air data due to failure of static and/or dynamic ports.

[B2N2]

One of Romanias richest men according to this report.
https://www.italy24news.com/local/208989.html

How many enemies did he make I wonder.

[DaveReidUK]

Italian media spoke about an engine failure based on testimonies by people on the ground. I think that it's the usual emotional reaction to the shock of watching an air crash: "ball of fire", "trail of fire" etc.

There are media reports citing CCTV images showing that the aircraft was on fire prior to impact, so not just eyewitness reports.

[AN2 Driver]

There are media reports citing CCTV images showing that the aircraft was on fire prior to impact, so not just eyewitness reports.

If they are quoting then they should either publish the images or shut up. Because if they can't be produced, they most probably don't exist.

[what next]

Because if they can't be produced, they most probably don't exist.

The italian newspaper "Corriere dell Sera" writes today (5. October): "Nei filmati sulla tragedia di Linate non si vedono fiamme prima dello schianto sulla palazzina in ristrutturazione (https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/21_ottobre_05/aereo-caduto-milano-pilota-1d45e2ea-254e-11ec-807b-86d461d54829.shtml)" (unfortunately the rest of the article is behind a paywall for me) which translates to: In the films taken from the tragedy at Linate there are no flames visible before the aircraft crashes into the construction site.

[DaveReidUK]

If they are quoting then they should either publish the images or shut up. Because if they can't be produced, they most probably don't exist.

Fair point.

And one that, I'm sure you'll agree, could equally be applied to the quote about videos (as yet unseen) showing the aircraft wasn't on fire ...

[treadigraph]

Interesting, I see it was recently fitted with an MT 7-bladed prop (https://www.mt-propeller.com/en/entw/pro_silent7.htm). New one on me, quietens the type down apparently. Having M-ARTY amongst others regularly zip over my house at 1500' or so, I wouldn't have said it was particularly noisy.

[B2N2]

Engine failures in SET’s are rare unless it’s been abused.
Owner flown, over temped on startup and took off anyway?
I have no PC-12 time, is it FADEC like everything else these days?
Auto start?

[starling60]

Doesn't look on fire from what I see but that's a vertical dive.

Aereo caduto a Milano, il video dell'incidente: ecco gli ultimi due secondi del Pilatus in volo- Corriere.it

Hope video is visible to non subscribers. (https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/21_ottobre_05/areo-caduto-san-donato-video-schianto-ecco-ultimi-due-secondi-pilatus-volo-b6c1dfc8-25e9-11ec-9c26-509de9bc1f2d.shtml)

[EatMyShorts!]

The PC12 is high tech with FADEC and all the bells and whistles. This accident looks like loss of control inflight - probably the typical owner-pilot case?

[DaveReidUK]

Doesn't look on fire from what I see but that's a vertical dive.

Aereo caduto a Milano, il video dell'incidente: ecco gli ultimi due secondi del Pilatus in volo- Corriere.it

Hope video is visible to non subscribers.

Behind the Corriere's paywall, but the same dashcam stills are visible here (https://www.zazoom.it/2021-10-05/aereo-caduto-a-milano-il-video-dellincidente-ecco-gli-ultimi-due-secondi-del-pilatus-fuori-controllo/9589621/).

Appears to support the ADS-B data that indicates a 10,000+ fpm ROD.

[starling60]

From what I read the people onboard were all family and friends, no mention of a second pilot, also papers state that there were no distress calls or reports of failure.
Am no pilot myself but could it be as simple as for instance pilot incapacitated, stroke or something along the line? Happens daily on the roads everywhere.
Just a supposition.

[phantomsphorever]

The PC12 is high tech with FADEC and all the bells and whistles. This accident looks like loss of control inflight - probably the typical owner-pilot case?

The aircraft that crashed is from around 2015.
No FADEC at that time yet.

But I completely agree - the aircraft is coming down like a rocket - definitely out of control.

[treadigraph]

Reminds me rather of that Malibu accident in Switzerland a couple of years ago...

Blimey, nearly seven...

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/173433

[DaveReidUK]

Unlike early model PC-12s, the accident aircraft was fitted with an LDR (Lightweight Data Recorder), likely this one (https://www.l3harris.com/all-capabilities/lightweight-data-recorder-ldr).

[double_barrel]

High performance turbine singles seem to be the new upmarket 'Doctor Killers'. People with plenty of money but too little training and not enough hours killing themselves and their families.
eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O3MtbhJQM8

[Trim Stab]

Might be same cause as HB-FPZ crash a few years ago.

https://www.bea.aero/docspa/2012/hb-z120824.en/pdf/hb-z120824.en.pdf

[DaveReidUK]

Out of interest, how much ice can an airframe accumulate in 4 minutes of flight ?

[AAKEE]

Out of interest, how much ice can an airframe accumulate in 4 minutes of flight ?

None, at OAT 19C(METAR) and 5300feet highest altitude.

[pmizrahi]

Any news on this accident ? any updated report or analysis ?

[DaveReidUK]

An ANSV report less than 6 months since the occurrence? Don't hold your breath.