Foreign pilots now allowed to apply for a Green Card?

[AIM9X]

Hello gents,

i recently have started to see more and more posts on social media such as linkedin, FB, etc..., rumors among colleagues and websites claiming that since the shortage of pilots in the USA, it is now allowed to apply for a Green Card in the US if you are a foreign pilot.

http://agimmigration.law/en/aviation/

TO ENCOURAGE THE ARRIVAL OF QUALIFIED PROFESSIONALS TO THE UNITED STATES., WHICH CAN BE EXTENDED TO PILOTS, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DESIGNED A VISA PROGRAM FOR FOREIGN PROFESSIONALS WHO WISH TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTRY’S LABOR MARKET BY WORKING IN AREAS OF NATIONAL INTEREST.

The EB-2 NIW (National Interest Waiver) visa serves exactly these professionals with outstanding experience and academic background as a pilot. This is a visa that grants the right to legal and permanent residence in the USA through a Green Card. In many cases, a foreign pilot can plead for the EB-2 NIW without even needing a job offer in the U.S., based solely on their qualifications.

This is just the first website i found out but there are many others who claim the same.

Is it a Scam or legit?
​​Thanks
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Regards
AIM9X

[awair]

Possibly…

This application route, for EB2-NIW, has the potential to work. However, it consists of two separate parts. The National Interest Waiver (NIW), for which pilots might successfully petition, and separately the EB2.

EB visas typically require a specific job offer (ie a sponsor), and also labour certification. There are two exceptions, certain EB1 individuals (and I don't think many pilots would qualify), and the EB2-NIW. The NIW part allows you to 'self petition', and therefore does not require a job offer or labour certification. However, the petition would probably require a bit more than “here’s my ATP, I hear you are looking…”

The requirements for an EB2, are to hold an 'Advanced Degree' or to have ‘Exceptional Ability'. The latter may also be difficult to justify…

None of the above constitutes legal advice, but if you have a Masters degree or higher and $10k+ spare, give it a whirl.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-first-preference-eb-1
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-second-preference-eb-2

Good luck

[Chris_767]

I'm really looking forward to this. I'm halfway through pilot training in the EU, and would like to move to the US asap. How long do you guys think this opportunity will last? I'll graduate in early 2023, and I already posess an advanced degree in aviation (partially obtained in the US)

[lee_apromise]

I'm really looking forward to this. I'm halfway through pilot training in the EU, and would like to move to the US asap. How long do you guys think this opportunity will last? I'll graduate in early 2023, and I already posess an advanced degree in aviation (partially obtained in the US)

A bachelor degree holder from UND couldn't satisfy this requirement with FAA ATP and 1500 hours on jet.

[Chris_767]

A bachelor degree holder from UND couldn't satisfy this requirement with FAA ATP and 1500 hours on jet.

Yes, you need something higher than a bachelors, like a post-grad or masters. Advanced degree can be substituted by a bachelors and 5 years of work experience.
1500 jet hours is a year and a half at European airlines.

Anyways, I keep following the updates

[FlyTCI]

I am sure American pilots who have fought very hard for the last several years (couple of decades really) to get their compensation back to appropriate levels will be thrilled by “invading” European pilots willing to work for peanuts and subpar conditions diluting the US pilot workforce. One can blame the European airlines (or even the EU) for the steady race to the bottom, but in the end it is the pilots themselves who allowed it to happen.

I say this as a European with a Green Card since more than a decade back and who has refused to participate in the lousy European aviation market (Green Card or not I have never actually worked in Europe) due to the above. Too many pilots in euroland willing to sell their mother to stay flying all while just thinking about “me, me, me now” instead of “us and long term” which is the main difference in the mentality between (the majority of) European and US pilots. Any European pilot making the move across the pond better be ready to ditch that attitude real fast or you won’t make any friends in the US pilot group.

Ducking for cover…

[Kenny]

I am sure American pilots who have fought very hard for the last several years (couple of decades really) to get their compensation back to appropriate levels will be thrilled by “invading” European pilots willing to work for peanuts and subpar conditions diluting the US pilot workforce. One can blame the European airlines (or even the EU) for the steady race to the bottom, but in the end it is the pilots themselves who allowed it to happen.

I say this as a European with a Green Card since more than a decade back and who has refused to participate in the lousy European aviation market (Green Card or not I have never actually worked in Europe) due to the above. Too many pilots in euroland willing to sell their mother to stay flying all while just thinking about “me, me, me now” instead of “us and long term” which is the main difference in the mentality between (the majority of) European and US pilots. Any European pilot making the move across the pond better be ready to ditch that attitude real fast or you won’t make any friends in the US pilot group.

Ducking for cover…

Dont duck, you’re right.

[bafanguy]

I am sure American pilots who have fought very hard for the last several years (couple of decades really) to get their compensation back to appropriate levels will be thrilled by “invading” European pilots willing to work for peanuts and subpar conditions diluting the US pilot workforce.

Pilots who come here from anywhere work for existing pay rates. For example, the E3 Aussies who come here don't work for less; they get the same rate as a guy born and raised in Iowa.

They don't negotiate for pay on an individual level (outside of some corporate or other job) so therefore don't have an opportunity to greatly influence pay levels one way or another. And there are too few of them in the Big Picture to have much of an effect in any form.

Now, should pilots as a profession stand together to influence pay ? Probably but they haven't so they won't. Too many unions, too many companies would require too much coordination.

[FlyTCI]

Pilots who come here from anywhere work for existing pay rates. They don't negotiate for pay on an individual level (outside of some corporate or other job) so therefore don't have an opportunity to greatly influence pay levels one way or another. And there are too few of them in the Big Picture to have much of an effect in any form.
I don’t disagree with the above, but what I am trying to tell those who do end up coming over is that they need to completely change their mindset and get with the program ASAP. They won’t be very successful if they don’t as US pilots won’t think fondly of some of the stuff which has now become widely accepted over in Europe over the last couple of decades.

I would hope that those who actually do come over (should the above program actually work) are of the go getter type who, just like me, refuse to accept the way pilots have (again, allowed themselves) to be treated on the old continent.

[bafanguy]

I don’t disagree with the above, but what I am trying to tell those who do end up coming over is that they need to completely change their mindset and get with the program ASAP.

TCI,

I understand. But all any expat coming to the USA can do is join the union and use their vote to elect reps who are dedicated to improving circumstances and vote against substandard contracts.

[Those without a union can only vote with their feet]

This is all an academic discussion because there won't be enough expats coming here to sway things one way or the other. I predict there won't be any invasion of EU pilots coming here. But if they do come, they might be the most fierce opponents of management exploitation because of their experience in the EU airline world. Maybe we need a few more of those ? :ok:

[furioussphinx]

Hey guys, I am also considering this option if it is true. However, I do have a few concerns. Firstly, I have 4000hrs as FO on A320 and an ICAO ATPL. If this info is true, would I have to start my career in the US with a regional and work my way up or do I have any chance with the lowcost or national carriers? And also do I need to convert my ATPL to FAA before I even consider going down this route?

[stewartvwyk]

To add in what I know. I and a few friends have been looking into this EB2-NIW avenue and doing lots of research and homework on the topic. We have made contact with a few law firms and all seem to be on a similar page, or trying to jump onto the bandwagon here. Because the "pilots License" is now being considered a new addition, the answer to the question, How many successful Pilot cases has your firm had approved for NIW? Every firm had the same answer. None!
There are two ways of qualifying, the first one 99% of pilots won't qualify for and that is the Advanced Degree. An advanced degree means a master’s degree or its foreign equivalent or a baccalaureate or foreign equivalent degree plus 5 years of post-baccalaureate, progressive work experience in the field.
The second is where "some pilots" MIGHT stand a chance based on how it is written and that is in Exceptional ability individual. An exceptional ability individual is an individual who does not possess an advanced degree and meet three of the following criteria:


Official academic record showing that you have a degree, diploma, certificate, or similar award from a college, university, school, or other institution of learning relating to your area of exceptional ability
Letters documenting at least 10 years of full-time experience in your occupation
A license to practice your profession or certification for your profession or occupation
Evidence that you have commanded a salary or other remuneration for services that demonstrates your exceptional ability
Membership in a professional association(s)
Recognition for your achievements and significant contributions to your industry or field by your peers, government entities, professional or business organizations
Other comparable evidence of eligibility is also acceptable.

At this stage I see it as more of an experiment for pilots, and its not cheap. The average quotes for the NIW have been anywhere from $5k-$10K plus more IF the NIW is approved then its onto the next step. Do your homework, there are so many sharks out there that will take your money knowing you stand no chance.
Best of Luck to all.

[furioussphinx]

Thats the problem, I am not able to find any concrete information anywhere online or on the US Immigration/visa pages. Just a few law firms from youtube etc. I did forgot to mention that I do have a masters degree but it is in a non-aviation field and I do have work exp related to that field for 2 years. I dont know if that supports my case/eligibility critera

[Kenny]

Whether you’ll be able to bypass the “joy” of a regional gig, will simply be down to the state of the hiring environment and to a certain degree, luck. Having previous experience of the 121 world and US ops is always going to tick an extra box. For an Airline in the US, it’s one less area you’ll need training on and these days, time is money and no airline wants to spend more than they have to.

Flying a plane is flying a plane, the hardest part is the getting to the runway and then to the gate, after landing. It can, for some be like leaning another language and it can take you well outside the known and your comfort zone. For some, it’s much easier than it is for others. I’ve gone through training with former military guys and whilst outstanding aviators, the ground ops at a civilian US airport like ORD, has been a bit of a headf#ck for them. They’ve risen to the challenge superbly but it just took time to feel comfortable. I’m painting with a broad brush here but I think most would agree.

if you’re lucky enough to be granted the right to live and work here, simply apply to everyone and see what happens.

[zerograv]

Flying a plane is flying a plane, the hardest part is the getting to the runway and then to the gate, after landing. It can, for some be like leaning another language and it can take you well outside the known and your comfort zone. For some, it’s much easier than it is for others. I’ve gone through training with former military guys and whilst outstanding aviators, the ground ops at a civilian US airport like ORD, has been a bit of a headf#ck for them. They’ve risen to the challenge superbly but it just took time to feel comfortable. I’m painting with a broad brush here but I think most would agree.


O'Hare. Yup, fully agree with that !
It is crazy. It is wild. Certainly outside of the confort zone, and thought to myself, I can really do without this ...

What's the story behind this eventual new development, if it happens to become reality ? The Regionals are getting that desperate that consideration is being given to this possibility ? Not enough Aussies available ?

About the FAA ATP. There seems to be several "knowledge areas". ATP (FAR 121) (ATM), ATP (FAR 135) (ATS), ATP (FAR 135) (ARA), etc, etc. There are ATPs for specific activities ? Is not the case the ATP covers everything ?

[MarkerInbound]

For airplane pilots, unless you are transitioning from a Canadian license, there are just two ATP knowledge tests. The ATS for the single engine rating and the ATM for the multi rating. The ATS focuses more on part 135 rules and operations while the ATM is focused on part 121 and transport jets.

[zerograv]

Thanks for that !!!

Probably you meant to write the ATS (instead of the ATM) focuses more on Part 135 rules.

During the previous century (in the nineties) I obtained an FAA Aircraft Dispatcher (ADX) licence. Would that be of any help towards an ATP, or it's not the case ? In any case, it would be convenient to go through the whole updated database again, as it has been a while.

[Kenny]

For airplane pilots, unless you are transitioning from a Canadian license, there are just two ATP knowledge tests. The ATS for the single engine rating and the ATM for the multi rating. The ATM focuses more on part 135 rules and operations while the ATM is focused on part 121 and transport jets.

Unless it’s changed, which may well be the case, you don’t need to do a SE ride. You can just do the ME ride. I know I’ve both trained and done ME ATP check rides for foreign pilots who had no other FAA cert. Mind you, people still used rotary telephones back then.

[bafanguy]

Thats the problem, I am not able to find any concrete information anywhere online or on the US Immigration/visa pages. Just a few law firms from youtube...

I don't know anything about this visa stuff but could you make an appointment at a US embassy and get answers to your questions ?

[zerograv]

EB visas typically require a specific job offer (ie a sponsor),


The above is key for such program become reality. Without the interest of local sponsors nothing will happen.

[MarkerInbound]

Thanks for that !!!

Probably you meant to write the ATS (instead of the ATM) focuses more on Part 135 rules.

During the previous century (in the nineties) I obtained an FAA Aircraft Dispatcher (ADX) licence. Would that be of any help towards an ATP, or it's not the case ? In any case, it would be convenient to go through the whole updated database again, as it has been a while.

Yes, corrected that to say the ATS focuses on 135. I also took the ADX when it was free at a FSS as prep for the ATP before Sheppard Air and Gleim. Then figured I was halfway there so called the FAA office and took the practical exam. The question banks have been updated (no longer 727 performance problems, now it’s 737 for most of the questions) but there is still about a 98% overlap between the two exams. Always wanted to call Dispatch and confirm the proper entry into a holding pattern but never had the chance. A weekend of review with Sheppard or Gleim should get you up to speed.

[IBE8720]

how does the tax system work in the U.S? Universal federal tax rate or do individual states have their own tax system?
If my employer is based in New York, and I am based in Greenboro Alabama, do I pay New York or Alabama tax?

[Kenny]

how does the tax system work in the U.S? Universal federal tax rate or do individual states have their own tax system?
If my employer is based in New York, and I am based in Greenboro Alabama, do I pay New York or Alabama tax?

It’s a bit of both. You’ll pay federal tax on your wages and then state tax, based on your state of residence. There are some states that will require additional but fairly small taxes, if you are based there. So, for example you work for a company headquartered in New York but lived in Florida and you were based in New Jersey. You’d pay federal taxes, no state tax for Florida (FL doesn’t do state taxes) and a small amount of taxes for NJ that covers things like parental leave.

It’s been a while, so I forget the specifics but you should get the idea and remember…NEVER take financial or monetary advice from a pilot.

[IBE8720]

Thanks for the advice. Any non pilot accountant onhere that would like to answer some questions... PM please.

[Kenny]

Thanks for the advice. Any non pilot accountant onhere that would like to answer some questions... PM please.

There are dedicated tax consultants that specialise in pilot taxes. Simply Google “Pilot Taxes” and check out the results.

[Ana_stasiia]

Bf has just applied for I-140 NIW category as an airline pilot from Canada. We did not use any lawfirm, just did it on our own. It is not that complicated. He has a really good case, so we will see how it goes. We have really nothing to lose, except for 700$ US:(

[Climb150]

Bf has just applied for I-140 NIW category as an airline pilot from Canada. We did not use any lawfirm, just did it on our own. It is not that complicated. He has a really good case, so we will see how it goes. We have really nothing to lose, except for 700$ US:(

Hey Ana,

Does the Bf have a master's degree in aviation?

Cheers

[Ana_stasiia]

Hey Ana,

Does the Bf have a master's degree in aviation?

Cheers

Well, he has received his Bachelor's in France, but we did not do conversion, just added the Diplomas.. But he has 10,000h total flight time, 15 years experience working in airlines, ATC certificate, and worked as an AT controller in the French Air Force.. so, I hope it will be a good case for them.. We tried to prove in the self-petition letter, how the US will benefit from approving the petition, especially, since they are expecting a huge shortage of pilots. They already charged the fee from the CC, so, I guess, we will find out the answer pretty soon.

[Climb150]

Good luck.

Keep us posted.

[Sunrig]

https://geckoaviation.com/atlas-air-current-recruitment-information/

Looks like Atlas is now beginning to sponsor foreign pilots…

[SuperSmart666]

https://geckoaviation.com/atlas-air-current-recruitment-information/

Looks like Atlas is now beginning to sponsor foreign pilots…
Yeah; but it’s non-immigrant. So can’t apply for permanent residency and once you get canned or quit you need to leave. And I’m sure there will be a “you can’t leave for anyone here”- clause…
It is said that management wants to take advantage of the situation in Hong Kong and poach out Cathay Crews, so there will be a preference set up already, Australians and British.
Also, I read Atlas is a nightmare to work for…
But let’s see what happens in 2022…

[dabz]

It is said that management wants to take advantage of the situation in Hong Kong and poach out Cathay Crews, so there will be a preference set up already, Australians and British.
Also, I read Atlas is a nightmare to work for…
But let’s see what happens in 2022…


Out of the frying pan and into the fire for CX crew?

At least CX crew wouldn't have to put up with the stupid COVID situation and rules in Asia no more.

[dxb_8788]

I'm interested too but can't find a solid answer anywhere.

Just few websites and videos so if anyone gets some information please share it with us.

[Collod]

I contacted few lawyers. Some say it's not true, we can't have a green card as pilot, some say yes it's possible. So I don't know if it's true or not.
after for those who say yes the fees change from 11000$us to 17000$us without guarantees of success. I find it's a lot of money and even more when you convert that in Canadian. And you have to add around 5000$us for the conversion of the license.

[Collod]

Bf has just applied for I-140 NIW category as an airline pilot from Canada. We did not use any lawfirm, just did it on our own. It is not that complicated. He has a really good case, so we will see how it goes. We have really nothing to lose, except for 700$ US:(
Hello Ana.Im really interested about the case of your friend because I have the same curriculum. So if you can give us some news I will really appreciate.
also do you know the exact name of his degree. Because we don't have a bachelor degree in France.
Thanks​​​​​​​

[Newcomer2]

Guys, the only ones who succeeded are not the average pilots. They were TRIs/TREs, lecturers, management pilots, test pilots,...not basic captains. 15 years in the industry and more than 10000h. With a good lawyer and most of all with top notch references from high profile indutry experts. And they already had their FAA ATP to help the case. If you go for the visa first and the licence after, you don't understand how things work.
Going without a lawyer is in theory possible, but you don't stand a chance. Again, if you go without a good lawyer, you don't understand how things work in the US.
The point of the EB2-NIW is to show that you have extraordinary skills and credentials.

[Collod]

Guys, the only ones who succeeded are not the average pilots. They were TRIs/TREs, lecturers, management pilots, test pilots,...not basic captains. 15 years in the industry and more than 10000h. With a good lawyer and most of all with top notch references from high profile indutry experts. And they already had their FAA ATP to help the case. If you go for the visa first and the licence after, you don't understand how things work.
Going without a lawyer is in theory possible, but you don't stand a chance. Again, if you go without a good lawyer, you don't understand how things work in the US.
The point of the EB2-NIW is to show that you have extraordinary skills and credentials.
Hello.
It's seems you know somethings that we don't. Are you working for immigration or for a lawyer?

[Climb150]

Guys, the only ones who succeeded are not the average pilots. They were TRIs/TREs, lecturers, management pilots, test pilots,...not basic captains. 15 years in the industry and more than 10000h. With a good lawyer and most of all with top notch references from high profile indutry experts. And they already had their FAA ATP to help the case. If you go for the visa first and the licence after, you don't understand how things work.
Going without a lawyer is in theory possible, but you don't stand a chance. Again, if you go without a good lawyer, you don't understand how things work in the US.
The point of the EB2-NIW is to show that you have extraordinary skills and credentials.

Newcomer is spot on. You will occasionally find an exception to this but it is rare.

[Chris_767]

Isn’t this visa originally addressed
at people working in science/research etc…? Thats why it is asking for advanced degree, peer review, outstanding achievements and so on. None of these is usually part of a pilot’s career. Many of us have degrees, but not aviation related. Even an MBA in aviation management has almost nothing to do with piloting. TRI/TRE/Management pilots are also nothing extraordinary in this matter, unless they pulled a Sully or similar. Not many higher rank captains are going to give up their seniority and home to start over as an FO at a regional. If they really want this to happen, they should give pilot specific requirements, which are aimed at younger A320 FOs who are -in my opinion- the most suitable to start a new life there.

[pfvspnf]

how many joining atlas like this ? Many Australian coming ? Mood of the local may not be good

[pilotcpb]

The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.

Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.

[DropYourSocks]

The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.

Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.

So... Delta or FedEx? :E

[losbol]

The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.

Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.

Very hard, just like it is hard for them to adjust to us foreigners ;))
I really enjoy talking politics, religion conspiricies etc. BUT having flown in Europe, Africa and South America i now know that these subjects need to be discussed with people who can have a civil discussion without trying to change the others opinion..... I am contemplating moving there but will try to keep the discussions about politics, gun laws, religion, the military as far away from the flight deck as possible... I will try to stick to the bilboard 100, sports and company policies :) ( i stole this tip from the jetcareers.com)

A difficult task to obtain the greencard, indeed. Also looking forward to receiving more tips.

[Kenny]

So... Delta or FedEx? :E

To be fair, they’re not the only ones. We have our fair share where I’m at and it’s not always former military guys.

[bafanguy]

The overwhelming majority of foreigners flying as airline pilots in the USA did not come in on these visas. They came in because they had dual citizenship through a parent, had a US spouse, or came as students when they were young and did all their higher education and pilot licensing in the USA. The airlines worth working for in the USA are not short of pilots to the degree of needing to start sponsoring significant amounts of pilots to immigrate to the USA.

Just another thing to keep in mind, I speak from the perspective as a “world citizen” whose wife is a foreign national, I’ve worked in several airlines in the USA and the Middle East, now at a major US airline. Be sure living in the USA is really going to be right for you, after having hardly been in the USA for around a decade, it’s really changed and not for the better. I find working with all these former military pilots to be hardly bearable, I constantly get abused by crazy conspiracy theories about Trump or the virus being fake and lambasted about not having been in the US military. Living and working here is like being trapped in some kind of twisted reality tv program.

pilotcbp,

That's quite a negative picture you paint of your time and personal experience in US airline flying.

Not to be confrontational or impertinent, but why are you still here working under the conditions you describe ?

[Climb150]

pilotcbp,

That's quite a negative picture you paint of your time and personal experience in US airline flying.

Not to be confrontational or impertinent, but why are you still here working under the conditions you describe ?

Whilst I haven’t run into too many ex mil guys or girls at my airline, the conspiracy theorists and religion nuts do sometimes get on my nerves. Not enough to make me leave but it’s extraordinary how some very well educated people can believe in Jewish space lasers and that Hillary Clinton ran a child trafficking ring.

That’s just 2 examples which are pretty old now but proof that some people will believe anything on Fox/CNN or Facebook. I added CNN because democrats aren’t innocent of peddling crap either.

[Tony R.]

"""""""At this stage I see it as more of an experiment for pilots, and its not cheap. The average quotes for the NIW have been anywhere from $5k-$10K plus more IF the NIW is approved then its onto the next step"""""".

thanks for your information mate. Just a few questions; what do you mean by "$5k-$10k"? Is that the lawyers' quotes or self-applicants costs?

Just for my case example: CPL- INS-CFI (EASA ATP Frozen) from ICAO, CASA and EASA, +3500 hours. Master degree MBA, Bachelor of Aeronautics. Any chance for this NIW EB-2?

Thanks all for anyone else's opinions.

[Tony R.]

Good day mate, I am planning to get the ATP SE, would you please lead me to some links related to some theory and the practical exams and check ride preparations links. Thank you.

[Tony R.]

Good day mate. I am planning to travel to the US for the ATP SE and later on the multi Eng. Would you please get in touch with me, Thanks

[Tony R.]

Bf has just applied for I-140 NIW category as an airline pilot from Canada. We did not use any lawfirm, just did it on our own. It is not that complicated. He has a really good case, so we will see how it goes. We have really nothing to lose, except for 700$ US:(
Hi Ana, I have an Australian Passport, Phd student, got an MBA already (Master of Business Administration), Bachelor of Aeronautics, Three pilot licenses CPL/INS/CFI from ICAO, CASA and EASA (ATPL frozen), +3500 hours. What would be my chance you guess?

Thanks

Tony

[Squawk7777]

pilotcbp,

That's quite a negative picture you paint of your time and personal experience in US airline flying.

Not to be confrontational or impertinent, but why are you still here working under the conditions you describe ?

Maybe because he passed the point of no return? I am in the same boat. Working for a major airline in the US, and am also appalled at the rise of nutters amongst pilots.

So... Delta or FedEx? :E

​​​​​​​You forgot AAL!

[bafanguy]

Squawk7777,

Must be pretty bad. What percentage of the people you fly with are "nutters" ?

[lee_apromise]

Hi Ana, I have an Australian Passport, Phd student, got an MBA already (Master of Business Administration), Bachelor of Aeronautics, Three pilot licenses CPL/INS/CFI from ICAO, CASA and EASA (ATPL frozen), +3500 hours. What would be my chance you guess?

Thanks

Tony

According to a few immigration lawyers, unless you are a test pilot from Airbus, forget it. Ordinary line pilots are nothing special.

[T O G A Boy]

I’ve been getting some emails lately asking me to apply for a green card since the pilot shortage in the US is at a very high level. I did however contact their delegated immigration lawyer and was told that it would cost me $12,000 ( paid in 3 installments) and non refundable if rejected for Green card. Not even partial refund wow . Possibly trying to find any way in getting some money from desperate pilots who need to go to the US. I’m not sure but that’s my personal feeling. I mean who in their right mind would part with $12k knowing it’s not a guaranteed process. 🤔

[shnzee77]

Scam - Congress or the USCIS will NOT approve this. We dont need foreign pilots to steal our jobs.

[nicoli]

Just like you are “stealing” jobs based in Paris working for fedex ?

[Banana Joe]

Scam - Congress or the USCIS will NOT approve this. We dont need foreign pilots to steal our jobs.
Says the guy stealing our jobs in Europe with cabotage. And these idiots don't even pay social contributions and taxes while being domiciled in Europe.

[FlightDetent]

Scam - Congress or the USCIS will NOT approve this. We dont need foreign pilots to steal our jobs.Thanks (no sarcasm). If it's a dead-end, the voices saying so need to become more numerous, the confirmation bias to 'go' is clearly visible upthread. A lot of money could be lost. As long as some of it ends with the middle men they're not the ones telling you. No matter if honestly underinformed or actively scheming.

On the second sentence, agreed as well. A second wrong doesn't fix the first one (re: BananaJoe). A real shortage will drive the packages up, attracting the worldwide US pilots back to home soil. That tide will raise all the boats.
Airlines chasing foreigners only have a singular motivation to secure lower-cost labour while avoiding employment responsibilities normally associated with running their business.

[lee_apromise]

Says the guy stealing our jobs in Europe with cabotage. And these idiots don't even pay social contributions and taxes while being domiciled in Europe.

You can say similar thing about DHL in the U.S. Why are Canadian and European carriers operating through CVG carrying packages sent from the U.S?

[Oldaircrew]

I don’t think there are pilots in the US to steal jobs from.

[Banana Joe]

You can say similar thing about DHL in the U.S. Why are Canadian and European carriers operating through CVG carrying packages sent from the U.S?
Check your facts. DHL are using American operators and American pilots for their flights within the US.

[lee_apromise]

Check your facts. DHL are using American operators and American pilots for their flights within the US.

Did I say US domestic DHL were run by foreign carriers?

So what's the difference between FedEx/UPS running CGN-CDG or Aerologic/CargoJet running CVG-MEX/YVR?

[Banana Joe]

We're talking about domestic market here, and FedEx and UPS are doing that in the EU. I am kinda fed up of flying in formation with a UPS 767 on an instra-Spanish sector or ia FedEx 757 ntra-French sector.

Microsoft Word - 2017_0330_US-cargo-operators_Executive_Summary_EN_F.doc (beca.be) (https://www.beca.be/images/Press_Releases/2017_0330_US-cargo-operators_Executive_Summary_EN_F.pdf)

[lee_apromise]

We're talking about domestic market here, and FedEx and UPS are doing that in the EU. I am kinda fed up of flying in formation with a UPS 767 on an instra-Spanish sector or ia FedEx 757 ntra-French sector.

Microsoft Word - 2017_0330_US-cargo-operators_Executive_Summary_EN_F.doc (beca.be) (https://www.beca.be/images/Press_Releases/2017_0330_US-cargo-operators_Executive_Summary_EN_F.pdf)

Not a lawyer so I don't know the full details of those stuffs, but I'm sure there is a reason why ASL Ireland is doing FedEx feeder flights for this purpose.

As much as you don't like that idea, nobody in the U.S expected Europeans to take an advantage of open skies by using flag of convenience :yuk:.

[itwillbefuntheysaid]

Hi Guys, I am looking at the option of doing my FAA CPL with IR rating. I already have quite a bit of jet hours experience but unfortunately I am from the MPL route and hence have to get some single engine PIC hours done. I am neither an US citizen nor a green card holder. If I manage to get a FAA CPL & maybe the ATPL, what are my job prospects? Thanks

[Banana Joe]

Not a lawyer so I don't know the full details of those stuffs, but I'm sure there is a reason why ASL Ireland is doing FedEx feeder flights for this purpose.

As much as you don't like that idea, nobody in the U.S expected Europeans to take an advantage of open skies by using flag of convenience :yuk:.
ASL and West Atlantic are not operating all of the FedEx flights, and Star Air are not operating all of the UPS flights. Should be 100% on the European network.

And since when are Sweden and Belgium flag of convenience?

[lee_apromise]

ASL and West Atlantic are not operating all of the FedEx flights, and Star Air are not operating all of the UPS flights. Should be 100% on the European network.

And since when are Sweden and Belgium flag of convenience?

Norwegian Air International Scheme (http://www3.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/deptpages/govtaffairs/issues/nai/NAISchemeInfoGr.htm)

If you have a problem, blame the union for not doing their job. Every T&C degradation comes from EU anyway.

[rudestuff]

You can say similar thing about DHL in the U.S. Why are Canadian and European carriers operating through CVG carrying packages sent from the U.S?
Because they're talking those packages from the US to the real world? They're not allowed to carry packages within the US. Unlike the countless N-reg FedEx planes operating within Europe..

[lee_apromise]

Because they're talking those packages from the US to the real world? They're not allowed to carry packages within the US. Unlike the countless N-reg FedEx planes operating within Europe..

So you are saying Aerologic doing CVG-MEX is ok whilst FDX/UPS doing CGN-BCN isn't allowed? You are considering the whole Schengen as one country?

[SaulGoodman]

So you are saying Aerologic doing CVG-MEX is ok whilst FDX/UPS doing CGN-BCN isn't allowed? You are considering the whole Schengen as one country?

Mexico and USA are in NAFTA, a free trade agreement, or some sort of customs union at most, whereas the EU is a single market. NAFTA stops well short of the EU. Aerologic cannot transport packages from LAX to CVG whereas FDX can between CDG and CGN.

[MarkerInbound]

The original Chicago Convention and it’s extensions into 5th, 6th and 7th freedoms is between countries. So as long as there is British royalty, a French president, a German chancellor, etc., there will be foreign airlines operating between European countries.

[All hat and no cows]

Regularly see cargolux and similar from anc to the lower 48.

[Leon Law]

Good evening fellow pilots,

I'm an immigration and aviation attorney in the United States. I'm also Major Airline pilot.

In order to qualify for an EB-2 Visa with a National Interest Waiver, a pilot should have three if the following criteria met:

At least 10 years of experience as a pilot.
Valid FAA, IATA or ICAO certifications.
Proof of membership in pilot professional associations.
Evidence of compensation in the top 70% of pilots in country of employment at some point in last 5 years.
Recognition of achievements in the aviation industry from government entities, peers, professional or business organizations.
Anything that makes your training and/or experience special or noteworthy, including management, SIM instructor, and/or check airman.
Minimum of 5000 hours as PIC.


The current processing time is 11-18 months.

If you have any questions, please free to reach out.

Jose Leon, Esq.
Leon Law, PLLC
LegalLeon.com
(904)982-0000 (WS)
[email protected]

[roll_over]

My Ozzie friends are applying to Atlas, can UK passport holders do it aswell?

[Leon Law]

My Ozzie friends are applying to Atlas, can UK passport holders do it aswell?

Yes. With the NIW, you don't need the sponsorship and can pursue any airline.

[BAe 146-100]

My Ozzie friends are applying to Atlas, can UK passport holders do it aswell?

No, UK passport holders do not qualify for airline sponsorship in USA. Only countries with a free trade agreement with the USA can be sponsored, Australia, Singapore, Chile…….

The only way is by family rights, or a H1B but pretty much no airlines are sponsoring H1Bs as it seems its harder work then getting guys on E3s.

There is various law firms saying you can get a green card blah blah blah, in reality you pay anything from 20-30K USD upfront and have a 12 month minimum wait time to see if its approved or not, of course they will tell you its a high chance.

[Leon Law]

Hi BAe 146-100,




The only way is by family rights, or a H1B but pretty much no airlines are sponsoring H1Bs as it seems its harder work then getting guys on E3s.

You can certainly obtain an EB-2 NIW if qualified.

There is various law firms saying you can get a green card blah blah blah, in reality you pay anything from 20-30K USD upfront and have a 12 month minimum wait time to see if its approved or not, of course they will tell you its a high chance.

Most things in USCIS are taking 12 months plus, even immediate relative petitions.

If anyone would like to discuss their individual situation, feel free to reach out. I'm an immigration attorney and airline pilot in the US.

[stewartvwyk]

Hi BAe 146-100,




Most things in USCIS are taking 12 months plus, even immediate relative petitions.

If anyone would like to discuss their individual situation, feel free to reach out. I'm an immigration attorney and airline pilot in the US.
To date I have not heard from a single law firm that has been successful with EB2-NIW applications for pilots specifically. EB2-NIW is a real thing, I get that but for pilots specifically with only flying qualifications, no. I am yet to be shown actual proof or spoken to someone that has been approved. If it was a thing, there would be 100s of pilots in the US already on this type of visa like the E3.
Big red flag with no actual proof and it all just seems like a way for law firms to exploit a vulnerable situation.

[BAe 146-100]

Definitely, a bunch of them have jumped on the bandwagon and will be more then happy to take your money and sit on it, most of them do not give refunds either if it is rejected. What is more disappointing is so called airline pilots in the USA trying to make a quick buck on referrals by aligning themselves with these law firms……

[clinton86]

Hi everyone.

So im asking for a friend, he has his FAA CPL ME/SE/IR with about 500 hrs. He has the opportunity to get his green card holder through some people. As the saying goes "its not what you know its who you know". he's keen to jump on the band wagon but I think its a gamble to just go get the green card straight away. even with a green card he still doesn't have the hours to even be considered hirable, I'm I wrong or right?. I told him, one doesn't need be a green card holder to work in the US as a pilot he can get a work visa but first he needs to build more hours.

Im not a US citizen so I don't have much knowledge on what the pilot situation or the hiring process is if companies are only hiring foreigners with green cards due to the headache and cost of having to sponsor someone especially with low flight hours that he has.

So should he go get the green card (takes months even a few years t get it before he can work form my understanding) and hope for the best or
first build the hours get at least 1500hrs and then apply and hope that someone will sponsor him for a work visa

Any light shed on this would be much appreciated.

Safe flying everyone..

[jrmyl]

Hi everyone.

So im asking for a friend, he has his FAA CPL ME/SE/IR with about 500 hrs. He has the opportunity to get his green card holder through some people. As the saying goes "its not what you know its who you know". he's keen to jump on the band wagon but I think its a gamble to just go get the green card straight away. even with a green card he still doesn't have the hours to even be considered hirable, I'm I wrong or right?. I told him, one doesn't need be a green card holder to work in the US as a pilot he can get a work visa but first he needs to build more hours.

Im not a US citizen so I don't have much knowledge on what the pilot situation or the hiring process is if companies are only hiring foreigners with green cards due to the headache and cost of having to sponsor someone especially with low flight hours that he has.

So should he go get the green card (takes months even a few years t get it before he can work form my understanding) and hope for the best or
first build the hours get at least 1500hrs and then apply and hope that someone will sponsor him for a work visa

Any light shed on this would be much appreciated.

Safe flying everyone..
My thoughts on this, if he can get a green card, then get it. That way, he can work on building his hours in country and once he has his hours, he can apply to any airline that he qualifies for. Not just those willing to sponsor. Having the green card will open a lot more opportunities for him. From instructing, pipeline patrol, jump planes, anything really for low time pilots.

Hoping for someone to sponsor him will only allow him that one shot at the sponsoring carrier.

[Climb150]

The poster of the most recent question (Clinton), has his location as Mexico. This would lead me to believe his friend is also Mexican. The wait for a family or employment sponsored green card for Mexican citizens is very long. Only a marriage green card is quicker which has already been mentioned.

I don't know what other visa a pilot would qualify for maybe H1B???

[BAe 146-100]

I don't know what other visa a pilot would qualify for maybe H1B???

Recent info from a major US regional is a big fat no, E3s and H1B1s only, so Aussies and Singaporeans, Chileans…

That H1B is reserved for mostly the computing industry and a select few other specialist occupations, if the regionals can’t bring anyone in on a H1B and they are pretty desperate at the moment then I take it is a definite no.

[Climb150]

Recent info from a major US regional is a big fat no, E3s and H1B1s only, so Aussies and Singaporeans, Chileans…

That H1B is reserved for mostly the computing industry and a select few other specialist occupations, if the regionals can’t bring anyone in on a H1B and they are pretty desperate at the moment then I take it is a definite no.

Qualifying occupations for H1B is actually pretty big. Elementary school teacher qualifies. Airlines have used H1B for pilots in the past so it isn't out of the question. The fact that H1B is now a lottery turns everything upside down.

[GeorgeMa]

Hello friends,I am interested in EB-2 NIW, but I do not know if I am qualified or with a bigger chance to apply.

I have flown in an airline for more than ten years and I am still employed as an airline pilot now. I have a bachelor's degree but not aviation related and have been credited by the WES organization equal to a US bachelor's degree. I have an ICAO CPL and a FAA ATP, and I have some jet ratings with PIC qualification on my FAA ATP. I am a member of two famous aviation organizations. Can this help me to apply for this kind of visa?

Kind Regards

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Ok I read through all the posts here.

I have EASA ATPL licence 3k hours and a Masters degree that is aviation related.

As I understand it I could possibly get a visa but still a slim chance and will cost $$$$$$$ to find out.
So……
My partner works for a US based company and has an option to go and work in the US if she wanted. We have considered it. They would sort that out for her.

Would that make a difference if we moved to US and I applied once in the US?

[A320 Glider]

From my understanding as well, Irish citizens will soon be able to apply for this scheme too?

[bafanguy]

From my understanding as well, Irish citizens will soon be able to apply for this scheme too?

A320 Glider,

Is this the one you're thinking of ? If so, it appears to have passed the House of Representatives a couple of years ago, got referred to some Senate committee...which is where bills go to die. Can't find any more on it:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2877

[awair]

Think this is for the E-3, non-immigrant visa. Used (only) by the Australians, they are not using up the full quota…

[FourStripes]

AIMh123,

The short annwer is you qualify. But let your partner's US based company sponsor her first, once she gets the work visa you can be be a dependent (assuming you are married) then try to process the EB-2 NIW from within the US.

Moving to the US without the assurance of employment raises a red flag from USCIS so it is better that one of you has an established employer already before coming over.

my 2 cents worth.

[FourStripes]

Guys, the only ones who succeeded are not the average pilots. They were TRIs/TREs, lecturers, management pilots, test pilots,...not basic captains. 15 years in the industry and more than 10000h. With a good lawyer and most of all with top notch references from high profile indutry experts. And they already had their FAA ATP to help the case. If you go for the visa first and the licence after, you don't understand how things work.
Going without a lawyer is in theory possible, but you don't stand a chance. Again, if you go without a good lawyer, you don't understand how things work in the US.
The point of the EB2-NIW is to show that you have extraordinary skills and credentials.

it all depends on the argument and how you frame it to USCIS. Don't ask me how I know.

[Ecam321]

it all depends on the argument and how you frame it to USCIS. Don't ask me how I know.

Oh go on, how’d you know?

[74helo]

"From my understanding as well, Irish citizens will soon be able to apply for this scheme too?"

My irish friend has just applied, so I guess its up and running.

[Ana_stasiia]

Quick update on our pplication for NIW Eb-2. Don't waste thousands of $$ on lawyers. We applied on our own on Oct 08 2021, and on Feb 23 2022 our I-140 was successfully approved. I know it's not a final step yet, cause it has to go to Consular Processing, but it means that this NIW stream for pilots is working. My partner who is a petitioner has 10,000 hrs, Bachelor's Degree and French military ATC license, and currently employed with Canadian airline as a SIC. P.S. He did not do any conversion. I prepared the package by myself, so if you decide to go the same way we did, read well the cases of people who applied (can be scientists, professors) to see how the package should look like and how to fill all the forms. We had only 2 recommendation letters, but I would put 4-5. Good luck to everyone!!!

[stewartvwyk]

I have a friend that has applied for a EB2-NIW. He spent 90 days in the USA and then applied for visa status change in October. Last month he got called to do biometric fingerprints and should have a final answer in the next month. Seems there is actually hope.

[CapTITI]

Hello everyone, nice to discuss with you all. I'm a PIC for 737/NG, my hours are around 8,000 and I have already applied for EB2-NIW. There's some information I do require before going to convert my ICAO license to FAA. It's about PIC qualifications in part 121.436 in a(3). The question is, Do I need to operate as SIC in part 121 operations 1,000hrs to fulfill PIC requirement? or I will be able to apply for a PIC job right away? the last paragraph is so confusing. Some advice or information from the US pilot would be appreciate, Thank you.

FAR121.436

§ 121.436

Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.

(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:

(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in § 61.617 of this chapter;

(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

[bafanguy]

I have a friend that has applied for a EB2-NIW. He spent 90 days in the USA and then applied for visa status change in October. Last month he got called to do biometric fingerprints and should have a final answer in the next month. Seems there is actually hope.

stewart,

Just for information purposes, can you offer any details about your friend's situation so those interested can see what it takes to make progress on this visa ? Pilot ? Total time ? Other quals like check airman, training captain, aviation management experience ?

[Andrew Van Oordt]

I’m afraid you’ll need to do 1000 hours in the right hand seat before doing an upgrade. For some reason the FAA doesn’t consider time on a large aircraft as US Part 121 time. Been that way forever as far as I understand.

[lee_apromise]

Hello everyone, nice to discuss with you all. I'm a PIC for 737/NG, my hours are around 8,000 and I have already applied for EB2-NIW. There's some information I do require before going to convert my ICAO license to FAA. It's about PIC qualifications in part 121.436 in a(3). The question is, Do I need to operate as SIC in part 121 operations 1,000hrs to fulfill PIC requirement? or I will be able to apply for a PIC job right away? the last paragraph is so confusing. Some advice or information from the US pilot would be appreciate, Thank you.

FAR121.436

§ 121.436

Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.

(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:

(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in § 61.617 of this chapter;

(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

Your prior overseas PIC and SIC time don't matter a bit in the U.S. No one is going to hire you as a PIC anyway in 121. It's all seniority based upgrade.

You need 1,000 hrs as SIC or PIC as specified under that section (3) from the US operators.

It's all about seniority.

[DesiPilot]

Hello everyone, nice to discuss with you all. I'm a PIC for 737/NG, my hours are around 8,000 and I have already applied for EB2-NIW. There's some information I do require before going to convert my ICAO license to FAA. It's about PIC qualifications in part 121.436 in a(3). The question is, Do I need to operate as SIC in part 121 operations 1,000hrs to fulfill PIC requirement? or I will be able to apply for a PIC job right away? the last paragraph is so confusing. Some advice or information from the US pilot would be appreciate, Thank you.

FAR121.436

§ 121.436

Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.

(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:

(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in § 61.617 of this chapter;

(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and

(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.

The FAR's are very clear, you need experience as PIC/SIC with 121 or PIC 135, the foreign airlines are not part 121. I have more than 11,000 hours as PIC (foreign airlines) and 9000 of it in jets, I also have around 600 SIC in part 121 and I still do not qualify to be a PIC in part 121. I am currently working as a FO to build my time towards required 1000 before I will be considered for PIC position.

I know not the answer you want to hear but that's how FAA and airlines in the USA interprets it.

[CapTITI]

Thank you for all answers. I hope these could clarify for all EB2-NIW foreigner pilots.:ok:

[5strypes]

"From my understanding as well, Irish citizens will soon be able to apply for this scheme too?"

My irish friend has just applied, so I guess its up and running.
Any update on Irish citizens applications?

[awair]

Any update on Irish citizens applications?

The route for Australian/Irish citizens is E3 (non-immigrant). The employer must sponsor.
The 'green card' option mentioned here is EB2 (NIW); immigrant visa, with no employer sponsor (self sponsored)

[Climb150]

E3 is not for Irish citizens.

[awair]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2877/all-info

Not sure what the progress is on this. But it has been proposed (several times?), and this bill has passed the House.

[5strypes]

I see it's been pushed a lot recently to add Irish citizens. It would be very interesting but probably not surprising if it did get approved. Are there many opportunities for E3 holders? I see a handful of regionals.

[Climb150]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/e3-bill-dies-thanks-to-senator-tom-cotton-and-incredibly-an-irish-journalist-neil-munro.amp


​​​​​This bill was killed in 2018. Keep up people!😁

[5strypes]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/e3-bill-dies-thanks-to-senator-tom-cotton-and-incredibly-an-irish-journalist-neil-munro.amp


​​​​​This bill was killed in 2018. Keep up people!😁
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-senators-relaunch-move-to-secure-thousands-of-visas-for-irish-people-1.4829765

Looks to be getting a relaunch...

[bafanguy]

Looks to be getting a relaunch...

I have to admit surprise at this development. After it passed the House of Representatives, it went NORDO and I figured it would just die off.

So, in the interest of speculation (not we we do that very often here :D), how many 1500+ hour pilots does Ireland have to offer the US carriers accepting E3s?

[Climb150]

I love how something that was negotiated in the Australia/USA free trade agreement has been jumped on by the Irish.

If Ireland wants visas get your own free trade agreement. Oh that's right you can't because you are part of the EU.

Why does Ireland get them all. Why not Korea and maybe Taiwan? What makes Ireland so special.

[5strypes]

I love how something that was negotiated in the Australia/USA free trade agreement has been jumped on by the Irish.

If Ireland wants visas get your own free trade agreement. Oh that's right you can't because you are part of the EU.

Why does Ireland get them all. Why not Korea and maybe Taiwan? What makes Ireland so special.

This seems borderline xenophobic. But to answer your passive aggressive question, I'd imagine because there are far greater historical ties between Ireland and the USA. I'd bet a large cohort of senators could trace roots back, just a handful of generations, to Ireland. Including Joe Biden himself. There already exists a fairly extensive trade network between the US and Ireland.

And to answer the previous question, I'd say not as many as Oz. Though with Stobart Air disappearing (albeit replaced by Emerald) and Ryanair with their questionable contracts, I'd wager there would be some takers.

[Climb150]

Where on earth did display any xenophobia? I can only assume since you took so much offence that you are Irish?

I simply stated it's a bit rude that Ireland are trying to get visas allocated to another country. How does Ireland think they are entitled to the fruits of another countries agreement?

Nobody in the USA is pushing for it. It's being lobbied by the Irish. If Ireland want more visas, they can come up with their own scheme.

What is this trade network you speak of? Ireland is in the EU and has no independent trade agreement with the USA. Many people in the USA claim to be Irish. None that I have met were born in Ireland nor were their parents or grandparents. Claiming to Irish in the USA is like a hobby.

[bafanguy]

And to answer the previous question, I'd say not as many as Oz. Though...I'd wager there would be some takers.

No doubt. In the meantime, the young Irish hopefuls might want to familiarize themselves with FAR 121.436 to see the hurdles that lie before them should the E3 become an option.

[Amadis of Gaul]

So, in the interest of speculation (not we we do that very often here :D), how many 1500+ hour pilots does Ireland have to offer the US carriers accepting E3s?

Forty-seven. It was forty-eight, but Seamus O'Rheordan-McFadden got a job with Netjets.

[Amadis of Gaul]

This seems borderline xenophobic. But to answer your passive aggressive question, I'd imagine because there are far greater historical ties between Ireland and the USA. I'd bet a large cohort of senators could trace roots back, just a handful of generations, to Ireland. Including Joe Biden himself. There already exists a fairly extensive trade network between the US and Ireland.

And to answer the previous question, I'd say not as many as Oz. Though with Stobart Air disappearing (albeit replaced by Emerald) and Ryanair with their questionable contracts, I'd wager there would be some takers.

Personally, I love Ireland, just got back from my fourth trip there in three years, in fact, I'm working on buying a house somewhere in Mayo or Galway, but even I find your argument not over and above solid. At any rate, shouldn't it go both ways due to all these "ties"? Can I apply to AerLingus without going through EU work permit process etc? Mind you, I'm easily eligible for the Irish Stamp Zero, but still...

[multiman]

I have similar experience in Europe. TRI/TRE with 14000 hours. So as I understand it is required a “special” or “ above average” experience in order to apply NIW program. If you are successful than the airline require you to fly from the right seat (which for you do not need the previous mentioned experience), because you do not have Part 121 experience.
I guess than to apply for a PIC position you should do it according company procedure/pilot union procedure, so end of the waiting list.
Or am I wrong?

[bafanguy]

If you are successful than the airline require you to fly from the right seat...because you do not have Part 121 experience.
I guess than to apply for a PIC position you should do it according company procedure/pilot union procedure, so end of the waiting list.

multiman,

Those are two separate issues.

The airline isn't the entity requiring you to spend 1,000 hours in the RHS in a Part 121 operation. The federal government requires this by regulation. There's nothing an airline can do about that.

As for going to the "end of the waiting list", if you go to an airline with a formal, enforced seniority list then you will start at the bottom and wait for circumstances (over which you largely have no control) to provide you the opportunity to bid for a captain position just like 10s of thousands of us have done for many decades. Sorry, but that's how it's done here. I guess it doesn't suit everyone.

Even if you could find yourself a start up airline hiring DECs for which you'd certainly be qualified, you'd still face the 1,000 hour issue. Sorry...

[jrmyl]

I have similar experience in Europe. TRI/TRE with 14000 hours. So as I understand it is required a “special” or “ above average” experience in order to apply NIW program. If you are successful than the airline require you to fly from the right seat (which for you do not need the previous mentioned experience), because you do not have Part 121 experience.
I guess than to apply for a PIC position you should do it according company procedure/pilot union procedure, so end of the waiting list.
Or am I wrong?
Yes. I am a US Citizen. Started my career in the regionals here. Have well over the 1000 hours 121 experience. Currently have almost 15,000 total time with about 11,000 hours as Turbine PIC. I am currently an F/O because I lost my expat job due to Covid. It sucks, but it is what it is.

[multiman]

Hi Guys,

Do not take it offensive. I agree with you and I think this is the good way how you are doing. Pilots stick together in Union, who spend more time with company have some privilege.
Just can not understand the logic. I heard about short of experienced pilots in USA. To have a 10+ thousand hours experienced pilot from outside to sit in the right seat is simply waste of money if he is suitable for left seat. For sure you have enough pilots with low experience who want to be FO.

[bafanguy]

Hi Guys,

Do not take it offensive. I agree with you and I think this is the good way how you are doing.
Just can not understand the logic. I heard about short of experienced pilots in USA. To have a 10+ thousand hours experienced pilot from outside to sit in the right seat is simply waste of money if he is suitable for left seat.

multiman,

No offense taken. The system here just isn't what many are accustomed to around the world.

You're likely familiar with the impetus for this 1,000 issue so I won't try to explain it. Applying logic to government actions is a futile effort. The 1,000 hour rule has been much debated with a case to be made from both sides but the Imperial Federal Government will always win.

And of course, the first hurdle for a prospective expat is the legal ability to live/work here. I don't pretend to understand that one.

[jrmyl]

Hi Guys,

Do not take it offensive. I agree with you and I think this is the good way how you are doing. Pilots stick together in Union, who spend more time with company have some privilege.
Just can not understand the logic. I heard about short of experienced pilots in USA. To have a 10+ thousand hours experienced pilot from outside to sit in the right seat is simply waste of money if he is suitable for left seat. For sure you have enough pilots with low experience who want to be FO.
No offense taken either. The shortage of pilots is not in the captain spots. There are plenty of f/o's that are able and willing to upgrade. The shortage is in the applicants to the regional airline jobs. The majors have plenty of applicants to choose from.

[bafanguy]

The shortage of pilots is not in the captain spots. There are plenty of f/o's that are able and willing to upgrade. The shortage is in the applicants to the regional airline jobs.

jrmyl,

From my observation of the regional situation (based on anecdotal data because these regionals don't provide such so I have to rely on info posted on websites ), there is in fact a captain shortage in the regionals. This involves a few factors:

(1) The hiring at the legacy and LCC level is sapping off regional captain, LCA and instructor cadres at a great rate.

(2) More regionals are advertising for DECs as a result.

(3) It's said there are allegedly many regional F/Os who won't upgrade because it would degrade their QOL. And the hiring trend at legacies is said to be taking more regional pilots without PIC time so perhaps they don't have to give up that QOL to move to a career-destination spot. What percentage of legacy hiring is this ? I don't know but this situation is said to be happening more and more. I've seen it happen in a case or two where I have personal knowledge.

So, every regional new-hire F/O needs captains to fly with to get them to the magic 1,000 hours Part 121 time so THEY can upgrade...and sim instructors to train them and LCA to give them IOE.
The regional captain drain is said to be the wrench in the regional works. Can I prove that ? Nope but it's the song being sung on many av forums.

Time will tell the truth. And you're correct there's no shortage of regional F/O candidates but I'm not sure about there being no shortage of regional F/Os willing to upgrade. Sufficient F/O upgrades would preclude the need for DECS.

[multiman]

Thanks. It is clear now!

[zepekinio]

To begin, the National Interest Waiver filing for pilots is a fairly complex process, primarily because there is typically not an advanced degree and it can be a challenge to satisfy the national interest requirement.

There is a rumor that commercial pilots are eligible for green cards under the National Interest Visa Waiver program. One rumor claimed that President Biden declared that because of a pilot shortage, it is in the national interest to hire foreign pilots. This is simply not true.

To entice commercial pilots to apply for a green card, there is information that has been posted online that demonstrates that pilots can meet the exceptional ability criteria and do not require an advanced degree to apply for a National Interest Waiver. While this may be true for many pilots, the exceptional ability requirement is only the minimum qualification and the threshold issue.

Once an individual can establish they meet the exceptional ability threshold, they must then establish that they qualify for the waiver. The biggest hurdle to overcome is being able to establish national interest. To meet this prong you must be making contributions to your field beyond your employer that have a broader impact on your field. This is typically shown for researchers through peer-reviewed publications and citations, showing that others are relying on their work. For commercial pilots, this can be difficult to establish. The work of a commercial pilot is typically in the interest of their employer and their work is not having an impact beyond the airline and the passengers they fly. The scope of the impact is too narrow to be in the national interest. Where we have had witnessed success meeting the national interest for pilots is in cases where they are working as medivac pilots flying in medically underserved areas or hard-hit areas during COVID. Pilot instructors who teach others to become pilots to lessen the impact of the pilot shortage. Pilots working in some capacity with the U.S. government, such as test pilots. Pilots working in a safety capacity, including accident investigation. Flying as a commercial pilot by itself does not meet this standard.

We have heard of some cases for commercial pilots being approved. However, these cases, if true, are going to be the exception to the rule. The vast majority of commercial pilot cases will be denied. The worst thing we are hearing is that some pilots are filing both an I-140 and I-485 concurrently. While this may get you an employment authorization to work in the U.S. while your case is pending. If the I-140 is denied, you will lose your work authorization and you will have to leave the country. Also, since you have made a declaration of immigrant intent it can be difficult to obtain a non-immigrant visa to the U.S. in the future.

The best way for a commercial pilot to get a green card is through employer sponsorship. Airlines who have a shortage are can take advantage of the EB2 - PERM process. Additionally, pilots from Australia can get a temporary non-immigrant E3 visa to fly commercially in the U.S.


Summary:The rumor that Commercial Pilots qualify for an NIW based on the pilot shortage is false. There is no “Pilot Green Card”. Commercial pilots need to typically be sponsored by an employer for an employment visa and they can also be sponsored by an employer for a green card. Certain airlines occasionally are sponsoring foreign pilots for H1B visas through the H1B lottery. To qualify for an NIW a pilot must have additional skills and qualifications that would be deemed to be in the national interest and they would need to have a letter from a U.S. employer expressing an interest in hiring them in that capacity (instructor, safety, accident investigation, etc.). We have received hundreds of inquiries from pilots but only a handful have any chance of success. Where the confusion lies is that there were articles published that suggested pilots meet the exceptional ability standards without an advanced degree. While that may be the case, meeting the exceptional ability criteria is just the beginning. From there the pilot needs to either be sponsored (EB2 – PERM) or if they can satisfy the requirements to qualify under the national interest, they can self sponsor. Flying for a commercial carrier is not in the national interest

[wing-man]

I know personally already 4 guys who got their petition approved. They are just regular commercial pilots without anything 'special'.
People say the majority will be denied, but why are they saying this? As I know 4 out of 4 who got approved!?

[stewartvwyk]

wing-man Im trying to send you a DM but your mailbox is full.

[Publiuss]

Hi Everyone,

This is all about the `case`. I suggest you to read the Matter of DHANASA. It's case that has opened the gate for the skilled workers without having a sponsorship. The better you present your case like Mr/Ms. DHANASA, the better chance you have. No need for a lawyer at all if your case is really strong.

All you need is `the case`, well structured file and 700 USD application fee.

If you think you need a lawyer, then this website (wegreened.com) might help you
(they have over 10000 approved case and I have not any tie with them)

DM me if you need more details.

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Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls. Offering an email address far more effective for now.

[Climb150]

I met a person recently who told people he got a green card through the NIW and he is a pilot. After asking this person numerous questions about the process he finally admitted that he actually got a green card from marriage.

A legal firm was using him as a "success" story to get more clients.

I do know one person who genuinely got the NIW approved but he is highly qualified and was the director of operations at their last company.

[wing-man]

It all depends on how you present your case. People who say it is impossible to get it as a pilot, they just write something from here say or whatever. Besides I think most cases are still being processed, so in the end no one could be really sure anyway

[HKG_Refugee]

I received one about a year ago after an 11 month wait. My experience far exceeded their 10,000 requirement and I held a full FAA ATPL with 4 commercial jet endorsements.
The process exists, however I think many here simply don't have the experience that suits. I'm with a large Biz jet operator with most of the flying being international. Way better gig than working in HK

[mattpilot]

Not wanting to start an entirely new thread, i figure my question is "close enough" to be asked in here:

Whats the current state of H1B visas for regular instructor jobs in the USA (part 141 regular zero to hero training)?

[Johnthemidjit]

I heard some positive news on the green card front. Many lawyers are having success with their client's....

The only downside is the cost of the lawyer. 10k usd

[Lyonn]

Lots of experienced airline pilots being approved recently on EB2 NIW, some not even hiring a law firm, but self petition at local consulate. And it’s happening fast now, about 6 months time from submitting in some cases I know of. Jobs and conditions are booming in US…

[bafanguy]

Lots of experienced airline pilots being approved recently on EB2 NIW, some not even hiring a law firm, but self petition at local consulate…

Are these people coming from any country in particular ?

[Lyonn]

Mostly europe and south america that I know. Many young captains (always more than 10 years flying airline) running to america, and some of these guys don’t even have FAA ATP converted yet.

[bafanguy]

Mostly europe and south america that I know. Many young captains (always more than 10 years flying airline) running to america, and some of these guys don’t even have FAA ATP converted yet.

Lyonn,

Thanks for the info. Would you happen to know what type of visa they're using to get the legal ability to live/work in the USA ? And what companies they're getting hired by ?

[Lyonn]

EB2-NIW. I won’t talk about any particular case, but I can say focus are on part 121 FO positions, and part 135 captain positions. I often hear that any part 121 FO, from the second year since hired, will beat any european low cost captain salary by far. Maybe someone here currently on that position could confirm.

[bafanguy]

EB2-NIW. I won’t talk about any particular case, but I can say focus are on part 121 FO positions, and part 135 captain positions.

I see. There's been some debate about how successful people have been in getting an EB2-NIW visa. That stuff is pretty far above my head so I don't know what's going on.

I would think that Part 121 ops would be the likely place for people to look.

[1201alarm]

EB2-NIW. I won’t talk about any particular case, but I can say focus are on part 121 FO positions, and part 135 captain positions. I often hear that any part 121 FO, from the second year since hired, will beat any european low cost captain salary by far. Maybe someone here currently on that position could confirm.

What are operators according part 135? I know it is not typical airlining.

Can you provide some names to have an idea of the type of flying or the aircraft and routes flown?

[MarkerInbound]

The regulations draw a line based on aircraft seating. “Commuter” operations (which are scheduled operations) with a non-transport category turboprop with less than 20 seats or using a transport category turboprop or jet with less than 31 seats fall under 135. “On demand” operations are not defined but they also fall under 135 rules. So if it is a charter operation but not 121 Supplemental it would also be a 135 operation.
It used to be so simple, a DC-3 or smaller was 135 and larger than a Three was 121.

[1201alarm]

So if it is a charter operation but not 121 Supplemental it would also be a 135 operation.

Thanks for the clarification.

What does charter mean?

In Europe charter means a flight that is bought as a whole by a travel company which then sells the seats, often together with an accomodation as a package.

Is that it? Or does charter merely mean the flight is flying according to an individual customers need?

[dcloudtail]

Quick update on our pplication for NIW Eb-2. Don't waste thousands of $$ on lawyers. We applied on our own on Oct 08 2021, and on Feb 23 2022 our I-140 was successfully approved. I know it's not a final step yet, cause it has to go to Consular Processing, but it means that this NIW stream for pilots is working. My partner who is a petitioner has 10,000 hrs, Bachelor's Degree and French military ATC license, and currently employed with Canadian airline as a SIC. P.S. He did not do any conversion. I prepared the package by myself, so if you decide to go the same way we did, read well the cases of people who applied (can be scientists, professors) to see how the package should look like and how to fill all the forms. We had only 2 recommendation letters, but I would put 4-5. Good luck to everyone!!!

Hi Ana_stasiia, its great to know that your NIW petition is working, could you please share your email id on [email protected], i would like to know more about as i have similar experience in aviation. Will highly appreciate.
Thank You

[MarkerInbound]

Charter is a bit broader term in the FAA world. It can include an “indirect air carrier” where a company contracts an air carrier to provide services that the company advertises to the public as in Europe. It also could be when someone hires a Lear jet to take them to Las Vegas for dinner. Basically the departure point, departure time and destination are determined by the customer and not the air carrier.

[Calibranr]

Good day all, trying to find a solid Law Firm to petition my EB2-NIW. Would anyone indicate a trustworthy Law Firm for that matter?

I'm a Military Pilot with around 3,000 hours of flight time, from single-engines to multi-engine turboprops (TRI/TRE/CFI/SFI/SFE).

I have a college degree from the Air Force (2004) and an MBA in Strategic Planning and Management, at the moment I am enrolled in a Master's in Aerospace Sciences. In addition to higher education, I took several courses with solid knowledge in the area of Flight Safety and Air Accident Investigation, last eight years working as an Investigator in Charge (IIC).

I would like to verify my possible eligibility for EB2-NIW or another strategy that may provide me with the right to live and work in the United States.

Thanks in advance.

[glideslopealive]

Quick update on our pplication for NIW Eb-2. Don't waste thousands of $$ on lawyers. We applied on our own on Oct 08 2021, and on Feb 23 2022 our I-140 was successfully approved. I know it's not a final step yet, cause it has to go to Consular Processing, but it means that this NIW stream for pilots is working. My partner who is a petitioner has 10,000 hrs, Bachelor's Degree and French military ATC license, and currently employed with Canadian airline as a SIC. P.S. He did not do any conversion. I prepared the package by myself, so if you decide to go the same way we did, read well the cases of people who applied (can be scientists, professors) to see how the package should look like and how to fill all the forms. We had only 2 recommendation letters, but I would put 4-5. Good luck to everyone!!!
Hello Ana. I sent you a PM. Please check your inbox

[darn]

What's the deal here with license conversion? I have a UK ATPL and believe I meet all the necessary criteria for the visa, but presumably I'd have to convert to the FAA equivalent after (and if) the visa is granted?

[bafanguy]

darn,

I'm not sure what you're asking. You're applying for a visa to live/work in the USA (as a pilot trying to work for a US carrier) and asking if you'll have to get an FAA license to do that after getting the visa ?

I'm missing something here. What is it ?

[Sunrig]

What's the deal here with license conversion? I have a UK ATPL and believe I meet all the necessary criteria for the visa, but presumably I'd have to convert to the FAA equivalent after (and if) the visa is granted?

If you want to fly in the US you will need an FAA license. So you will have to convert your UK one before you can apply to any company. So far no company does the process for you or covers the cost.
You can absolutely do it after you receive your visa but it will take an extra 3 months before you can get a job. Additionally, it might help with the visa application if you already have an FAA license. It’s a gamble to spend all this money for the conversion and then maybe not get the visa approved.

[fronzee]

Are there any success stories here, who actually got visa and went?

[A321drvr]

I personally know 2 guys. Both EU nationals. One is with an ACMI operator and another one is with an LCC. Both took the EB2-NIW way through a lawfirm. Took them over a year.

[FourStripes]

A321drvr,

Which law firm? how much did it cost them?
Are they here on PPRUNE by any chance?

I'm waiting for my interview in the embassy. And I have a few questions for them if possible.

[A321drvr]

The only thing they've shared with me that it cost them a penny as well as non disclosures had to be signed. The paperwork needed was pretty extensive nevertheless. Can't provide any more details I'm afraid.

Edit: both had CJO-s and FAA ATP-s beforehand already.

[fronzee]

what is CJO?

[bafanguy]

fronzee,

A CJO is a Conditional Job Offer. A person interviews, passes and is offered a job pending things like background checks, drug testing, etc. If all the background checks go well, the CJO holder is given a class date. Or to be correct, the applicant may be placed in a holding pool awaiting a class date...it depends.

[fronzee]

Thanks.

Anyone without FAA ATPs and CJOs beforehand got VISA?

[airbus4lyfe]

Thanks.

Anyone without FAA ATPs and CJOs beforehand got VISA?
US ATP is very easy to get and alot of companies offer a full course that will take about 2 weeks. I would look at getting in touch with some of the companies in the US. I used ASI for a A330 fast track type rated course. Send me a PM if you would like more information.

[fisher22]

Any success stories lately? I'm about to apply for an EB2 NIW visa, I have 7,000 hours, and an FAA CPL. I was thinking about getting an FAA ATP but the cost of the whole thing just to see if MAYBE you'll get a green card is just too risky for me. So I'll go ahead and apply with a CPL only.

[LTCTerry]

Hi Guys, I am looking at the option of doing my FAA CPL with IR rating. I already have quite a bit of jet hours experience but unfortunately I am from the MPL route and hence have to get some single engine PIC hours done. I am neither an US citizen nor a green card holder. If I manage to get a FAA CPL & maybe the ATPL, what are my job prospects? Thanks
This is from a year ago, and no one responded.

1) Your chance of getting a job w/o your own right to work in the US is pretty much zero.
2) You don't have to do single engine first to do multiengine Commercial. I'd think you can use FAR 61.75 to get a Private w/ ME rating. The just do the requirements for FAR 61.129 in the twin.

How did this turn out for you?

[bafanguy]

LTCTerry,

Will a license issued under MPL criteria meet the requirement of FAR 61.75(a) ? I'm not much of an av lawyer.

[airbus4lyfe]

Just got my E3 and started working in America, best decision I made for flying. I would have a read of of this article (https://www.easyaviationtheory.com/post/e3-visa-application) for any E3 information.

[airbus4lyfe]

Just got my E3 and started working in America, best decision I made for flying.

[JoshuaChung]

I think you need 5000hrs of jet time if you want to apply for NIW.

[rudestuff]

LTCTerry,

Will a license issued under MPL criteria meet the requirement of FAR 61.75(a) ? I'm not much of an av lawyer.
No because you don't have a licence for single pilot operations. You'd need a standalone PPL.

[JoshuaChung]

Just got my E3 and started working in America, best decision I made for flying.
Are you Assie?

[havick]

Just got my E3 and started working in America, best decision I made for flying.

hopefully you can work out a way to transition for the E3 to a green card.

[fisher22]

I think you need 5000hrs of jet time if you want to apply for NIW.

Not true, EB2 NIW is not a pilot's visa, so no minimum hours requirement. You need 10 years of experience working in your field, whatever that might be.

[Climb150]

Not true, EB2 NIW is not a pilot's visa, so no minimum hours requirement. You need 10 years of experience working in your field, whatever that might be.

There might be no minimum hour requirement but I'm sure they will expect an applicant to have significant flying experience. I don't think 2000 hours as an ATR FO will cut it.

[fisher22]

There might be no minimum hour requirement but I'm sure they will expect an applicant to have significant flying experience. I don't think 2000 hours as an ATR FO will cut it.

You're not applying for a job, you're applying for an immigrant visa, the immigration officer who will handle your case is not a pilot/airline/aviation expert, they handle cases from people of all walks of life, they see cases from teachers, doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc. They don't know whether 200 or 20,000 hours is good enough.

They ask for specific requirements, one being at least 10 years of experience in your field, and a lot depends on how you frame your case. If you meet the 10 year requirement, chances are you have way over 2,000 hours.

If you apply for this visa, don't think as a pilot looking for a job, think as what you are, an immigrant looking for a work visa.

[RickSanchez]

Hi All,

I'm going down this route apply for the EB2 NIW. 20 years plus flying experience.

I did speak with Harvey Law, but I don't think that the assistance is worth the $10,000 they want to charge. Im pretty sure it's possible to submit a great application yourself. I've been through all of the paperwork required and there is only one part I'm not 100% confident on. That's the bit where you prove that your profession is of national interest to the USA. I can put a great case together, but it's hard to know exactly what they are wanting to see.

Has anyone here or anyone know anyone that has submitted a successful application?

Do you perhaps have some pearls of wisdom you could please share on this part of the application? Happy to take a DM if you'd rather not broadcast it.

[bafanguy]

Rick,

Wish I had some wisdom to offer but I don't. This whole visa thing is just sorcery and dark arts to me.

But I do have idle curiosity that generated a question: with 20 years flying experience in NZ, what would be your target flying position here in the USA ?

Good luck in your quest. Let us know how it went.

[Ecam321]

Hi All,

I'm going down this route apply for the EB2 NIW. 20 years plus flying experience.

I did speak with Harvey Law, but I don't think that the assistance is worth the $10,000 they want to charge. Im pretty sure it's possible to submit a great application yourself. I've been through all of the paperwork required and there is only one part I'm not 100% confident on. That's the bit where you prove that your profession is of national interest to the USA. I can put a great case together, but it's hard to know exactly what they are wanting to see.

Has anyone here or anyone know anyone that has submitted a successful application?

Do you perhaps have some pearls of wisdom you could please share on this part of the application? Happy to take a DM if you'd rather not broadcast it.

Hi Rick

you have to make the case that when you move to the USA what you have to offer as an aviator will benefit the greater good of the US and not just benefit the company you might work for.
It’s a difficult argument to make and takes a lot of thought to frame your argument.

[RickSanchez]

Rick,

Wish I had some wisdom to offer but I don't. This whole visa thing is just sorcery and dark arts to me.

But I do have idle curiosity that generated a question: with 20 years flying experience in NZ, what would be your target flying position here in the USA ?

Good luck in your quest. Let us know how it went.
Somewhere where they've got cowboy boots, cowboy hats and one of those trucks with the dualies that can spit fire.

In reality however, I'd look at anything, but preferably wide body or structured corporate jet operator.

Just gotta take a look at the pay rates, exchange rates and compare that to here.

Cheers

[JPJP]

Hi All,

I'm going down this route apply for the EB2 NIW. 20 years plus flying experience.

I did speak with Harvey Law, but I don't think that the assistance is worth the $10,000 they want to charge. Im pretty sure it's possible to submit a great application yourself. I've been through all of the paperwork required and there is only one part I'm not 100% confident on. That's the bit where you prove that your profession is of national interest to the USA. I can put a great case together, but it's hard to know exactly what they are wanting to see.

Has anyone here or anyone know anyone that has submitted a successful application?

Do you perhaps have some pearls of wisdom you could please share on this part of the application? Happy to take a DM if you'd rather not broadcast it.

I’m not a lawyer, but I’ll give it a shot.

1. There is currently a shortage of qualified pilots in the U.S. aviation industry. The shortage of well qualified, experienced pilots required by the U.S aviation industry is even greater and increasing. Demand for qualified pilots exceeds supply. You are a well qualified pilot.

2. U.S. government policy is focused on reducing inflation. The Federal Reserve has identified higher wage growth as an inflationary factor. The current high wage growth within U.S aviation is directly attributable (in part) to the lack of qualified pilots and high demand. This wage growth negatively affects inflation.

3. The cost of flying has increased for the U.S. population. Ticket prices have risen. The inflation of ticket prices is fueled by high demand and low supply. The airline industry is able to raise prices due to high demand. This inflation is at odds with U.S. economic policy and the Federal Reserves stated goals. Airlines and U.S aviation in general have been unable to satisfy demand due to the low supply of qualified pilots. You are a qualified pilot.

You are a tiny cog in the giant solution to the pilot shortage, inflation and the U.S. economy ; )





[personally; I’m a big fan of the pilot shortage and high wage growth]

[737pilotguy]

Hi everyone.I thought I'd share my experience of the EB2-NIW process for others thinking about it. ​​​​


First, I'll list my qualifications and experience. I'm a captain in Europe flying the 737 since 2008. I've been an instructor on the 737 since 2016 (2,500 hours). I have over 11,000 total hours and over 7,000 as PIC. Furthermore, I also have a four-year degree. ​​​​​​


I started the process with Jose Leon in Jacksonville (legalleon.com) in late May '22. Jose and his team were very helpful and all communication was (and is) very prompt and clear. A pilot himself, he recognized the experience I have and knew how to translate that experience into a relevant format, and into layman's terms, for USCIS case officers looking to see if I fulfilled the three-prong test. He worked with other lawyers and consultants to tailor my case as best as possible for the highest chances of approval. ​​​​​​


After much work and preparation, my case was filed in September '22. Just a few weeks later, it was approved by USCIS. I'm currently going through consular processing and should have my green card soon. ​​​​​​


i wouldn't hesitate to recommend Jose and his team if anyone is thinking about going this route. He is the best I've encountered, a pure professional. ​​



legalleon.com

[RickSanchez]

Thanks for all the replies here.

737Pilotguy what was the cost of legalleon? Others seem to be in the realm of $10k USD

What people need is an example Petition Letter, this seems to be what your case lives or dies by. The rest is pretty straight forward in terms of the petition itself if you're going to compile it on your own.

One way to look at the cost of a lawyer is as an investement, but its also an investment in something which is still fairly new.

I spoke with a law firm yesterday. 485 applications submitted for EB2NIW, 80 returned and 50 or so approved first time up. That's enticing and with the building backlog it could be easiest to just jump in an invest the money rather than self petitioning.

[bafanguy]

First, I'll list my qualifications and experience. I'm a captain in Europe flying the 737 since 2008. I've been an instructor on the 737 since 2016 (2,500 hours). I have over 11,000 total hours and over 7,000 as PIC. Furthermore, I also have a four-year degree. ​​​​​​ ​​​​​​

737pilotguy,

Interesting info about your visa experience.

What would be your target job here in the USA ? I assume you understand how the seniority system works here ? Despite your excellent qualifications, you'd start as a junior F/O no matter where you got hired; that doesn't suit everyone who might have come from a different system.

And the cases of rapid upgrade at the legacy carriers here, while remarkable, might turn out to be ephemeral at best when the economy takes its inevitable downturn.

In any event good luck.

[737pilotguy]

Thanks for all the replies here. 737Pilotguy what was the cost of legalleon? Others seem to be in the realm of $10k USD What people need is an example Petition Letter, this seems to be what your case lives or dies by. The rest is pretty straight forward in terms of the petition itself if you're going to compile it on your own. One way to look at the cost of a lawyer is as an investement, but its also an investment in something which is still fairly new. I spoke with a law firm yesterday. 485 applications submitted for EB2NIW, 80 returned and 50 or so approved first time up. That's enticing and with the building backlog it could be easiest to just jump in an invest the money rather than self petitioning. ​​​​​​​Price was around $10k, yes. I wouldn't do myself this without the help of a qualified professional. Not when considering the possible career and potential earnings at a US major if successful... ​​​​​​​My target job would be one of the legacies, in the right seat yes. However, I don't know if you understand the European system over here? The highest possible salary as a line captain is around EUR 150k ($162k), and that's flying the 900 hour yearly limit. Any hopes for a higher salary and you need to take on a training position (which is still underpaid). Regarding the inevitable downturn for the next thing coming, most European pilots got majorly screwed during covid which has pushed so many past their limit. Job security isn't any better over here.

[bafanguy]

737pilotguy,

With a green card, you'd certainly be a candidate for a US legacy.

[Ecam321]

Hi Bafanguy

My Green Card is also approved and I’m trying to work out my next step. I’m currently an A320 captain 12k+ hours all jet some command hours also in corporate business jets. However I’m also 51 years old and wondering if I should go for left seat in a decent 135 operation or go right seat at a legacy. Are there many 50 year olds who join a legacy ? Would you have any advice ?

[havick]

Hi Bafanguy

My Green Card is also approved and I’m trying to work out my next step. I’m currently an A320 captain 12k+ hours all jet some command hours also in corporate business jets. However I’m also 51 years old and wondering if I should go for left seat in a decent 135 operation or go right seat at a legacy. Are there many 50 year olds who join a legacy ? Would you have any advice ?

right seat legacy. Seniority list movement is crazy right now.

I’m in one of those unicorn part 91 gigs and love it, but they’re few and far between.

[Ecam321]

My motivation for moving to the US is I love the great outdoors there especially in the western states. I want to go hiking, camping and skiing and need a decent job with good time off to support that.
I was looking at Las Vegas, Summerlin as a decent place to set up home. So I need to find a company that has LAS as a junior base, so I can avoid commuting and all that hassle. Is that a reasonable expectation or should I expect to have to commute at any major you join?

[737pilotguy]

737pilotguy,

With a green card, you'd certainly be a candidate for a US legacy.

That's the goal. I've got enough years left to make it worthwhile.

[bafanguy]

Ecam321,

I'm not an expert on recruiting but have certainly heard of 50 y/o people getting hired at legacy/LCC carriers. I don't know what percentage of new hires that might be but it does happen.

I'd advise you to apply to everyone you might even be remotely interested in and see what your options are. I'm not sure a Part 135 operation would give you the time off/schedule flexibility you want. From what I've heard, I think those pilots work pretty hard.

As for bases, Google "airline pilot domicile map" and see who might have a KLAS base.

Good luck.

[Ecam321]

[QUOTE=bafanguy;11370175]Ecam321,

I'm not an expert on recruiting but have certainly heard of 50 y/o people getting hired at legacy/LCC carriers. I don't know what percentage of new hires that might be but it does happen.

I'd advise you to apply to everyone you might even be remotely interested in and see what your options are. I'm not sure a Part 135 operation would give you the time off/schedule flexibility you want. From what I've heard, I think those pilots work pretty hard.

As for bases, Google "airline pilot domicile map" and see who might have a KLAS base.

Thanks Bafanguy

It looks like Frontier have KLAS as a Junior base. But also there are some decent 135 operators in LAS offering a good salary with a 13/17 schedule . Your advice is heeded, I will apply everywhere and see what bites.

[Kakar khan]

hi i am 39 years old military pilot from Pakistan. I have more than 17years of flying experience and 5400 flying hrs. I have flown number of multi-engine transport category aircraft. I have 3200 hrs as pilot in command . I am instructor on CN-235 and beech craft king air 350i which is equipped with pro line fusion avionics. I have flown C-130 Hercules, CN-235 Casa, Y-9 Chinese aircraft and King air 350i. I have recently done my initial pilot conversion of king air 350i in Tampa,Florida. Because of proficient performance, I was awarded pro-card on initial sim training of King air 350i. I have also obtained TSA approval from Department of defense. I don’t have ICAO ATPL yet but, i have all the military flying certificates. I have done bachelors (BS) in Aero sciences and Masters in war Studies. With this experience, Can i go for attempt to apply for green card through EB-2 NIW visa. Request your guidance.
Thanks

[Sunrig]

Ecam321
There’s a lot of guys getting hired at Legacies 50+ years old. No problem at all. I’m one of them. With your time left until retirement you should aim for a Legacy job. Spirit also has a LAS base and great quality of life. For Legacies, United just opened a base there that also went junior both seats. But you would have to fly the 737 though. From what I’m hearing the commute from LAS to LAX is also doable if you get hired somewhere else and want to stay in LAS. Best of luck.

[Ecam321]

hi i am 39 years old military pilot from Pakistan. I have more than 17years of flying experience and 5400 flying hrs. I have flown number of multi-engine transport category aircraft. I have 3200 hrs as pilot in command . I am instructor on CN-235 and beech craft king air 350i which is equipped with pro line fusion avionics. I have flown C-130 Hercules, CN-235 Casa, Y-9 Chinese aircraft and King air 350i. I have recently done my initial pilot conversion of king air 350i in Tampa,Florida. Because of proficient performance, I was awarded pro-card on initial sim training of King air 350i. I have also obtained TSA approval from Department of defense. I don’t have ICAO ATPL yet but, i have all the military flying certificates. I have done bachelors (BS) in Aero sciences and Masters in war Studies. With this experience, Can i go for attempt to apply for green card through EB-2 NIW visa. Request your guidance.
Thanks

Contact this law firm. https://dunnlaw.com/
They will give you the guidance you need. They are very upfront and won’t take your money if they think you don’t have a chance of success.

[Kakar khan]

thanks for your info i will contact them

[737pilotguy]

thanks for your info i will contact them ​​​​​​​I'll recommend Jose Leon at legalleon.com again. He's been absolutely great with me.

[fuelsurvey]

Allegiant is headquartered in Vegas and has a base there. It’s a senior base but is easy to get out of training. You’ll be stuck at the bottom though.

[Ecam321]

Allegiant is headquartered in Vegas and has a base there. It’s a senior base but is easy to get out of training. You’ll be stuck at the bottom though.

And I’m hearing Allegiant are in dire straights financially and looking for a merger.

[Kakar khan]

thanks pilotguy for your valuable info

[Leoht27]

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[Melitiy]

Quite amusing to see accounts with Jan 2023 join date who can't stop recommending Jose Leon Lawyer...

No wonder why. It's actually quite obvious, quote from the Leon Law website: "Leon Law firm has a 100% approval rate in applying for National Interest Waivers (NIW) for experienced pilots seeking positions as commercial airline pilots in the United States."

LOL!

[trevorn]

Quite amusing to see accounts with Jan 2023 join date who can't stop recommending Jose Leon Lawyer...

No wonder why. It's actually quite obvious, quote from the Leon Law website: "Leon Law firm has a 100% approval rate in applying for National Interest Waivers (NIW) for experienced pilots seeking positions as commercial airline pilots in the United States."

LOL!
Yeah, I saw that too and was pretty sure those posts were not legit. Let's save this thread for actual experiences with green cards and NIW.

[JoseLeon]

hi i am 39 years old military pilot from Pakistan. I have more than 17years of flying experience and 5400 flying hrs. I have flown number of multi-engine transport category aircraft. I have 3200 hrs as pilot in command . I am instructor on CN-235 and beech craft king air 350i which is equipped with pro line fusion avionics. I have flown C-130 Hercules, CN-235 Casa, Y-9 Chinese aircraft and King air 350i. I have recently done my initial pilot conversion of king air 350i in Tampa,Florida. Because of proficient performance, I was awarded pro-card on initial sim training of King air 350i. I have also obtained TSA approval from Department of defense. I don’t have ICAO ATPL yet but, i have all the military flying certificates. I have done bachelors (BS) in Aero sciences and Masters in war Studies. With this experience, Can i go for attempt to apply for green card through EB-2 NIW visa. Request your guidance.
Thanks

Hi Kahn,

You definitely have a competitive background for an EB2-NIW. In fact, your background fits the profile that many US airlines look for. With that said, the standard for the National Interest Waiver looks for exceptional ability in your country of origin. ​​​​​​Exceptional ability is defined as a person with “a degree of expertise significantly above that ordinarily encountered” in their particular profession or field of expertise. The key is to show that you are “no ordinary pilot”. After 17 years of aviation military service in Pakistan, as compared to other Pakistani pilots, you should be able to obtain substantial evidence to substantiate your petition.

Good luck with your application.

Jose Leon

[JoseLeon]

Yeah, I saw that too and was pretty sure those posts were not legit. Let's save this thread for actual experiences with green cards and NIW.

What exactly is the scam? I DM'd you my phone and will be happy to talk, facetime, Zoom, or meet in person in my office. You may also search my name in the Florida BAR website.

[Busdriver01]

Hi everyone, British A320 FO here, 2500hrs, 27yo. No green card etc and UK CAA licence - but very keen to explore options in the states. Would I have a shot at a legacy at my age/experience or would I need to be looking at a regional first, or similar? If i did move out, would the career progress be fairly fast due to retirements/expansion? And how are pilots like me received/perceived in the states? (ie, got an A320 job straight out of integrated ATPL training, didn't do the hour building/PIC route that is common in the states as it's not how it's done over here?)

Thanks!

[bafanguy]

Busdriver01,

How would you get the legal ability to live/work in the USA ? That's the critical factor; everything else is just details. I haven't heard of a visa arrangement (like the Aussie E3) that would help you as a Brit but I'm not a subject matter expert by any measure.

Your brief statement of qualifications would seem to indicate you're OK for regionals and maybe even an LCC (heck, maybe even a legacy). Getting an FAA license is an expensive process...unless you can get a regional to pay for it.

The current hiring/upgrade frenzy will certainly come to a halt for any number of reasons so don't count on it as a permanent situation...but that's another subject.

Since contacting airline HR people is so easy these days, I'd email every single one of the regionals and LCCs (contact Spirit for sure) to explain your situation. See what they say or suggest. Or if you're a glutton for punishment, fill out apps to all of them...and email their HR people.

In any event, good luck and let us know what you discover.

[BAe 146-100]

To my knowledge there is no sponsorship available by any US airline, no matter how desperate or short of pilots they currently are or if its a bottom end regional or high end major. Your experience would of course be recognised but only with the right to work. Without sponsorship or qualifying for a E3 the options are extremely limited, your then down to qualifying only by family/marriage. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but spending hours applying for airlines in the US will ultimately be a waste of time as you will constantly have to answer the same question on the application and even be asked again by the HR. Do you have legal authorization to work in the US without sponsorship?

If the answer to that question is a no, then it is no bueno I am afraid. Go and set the tinder passport to Miami….

[bafanguy]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but spending hours applying for airlines in the US will ultimately be a waste of time as you will constantly have to answer the same question on the application and even be asked again by the HR.

What you say is very likely correct. But since contacting the HR people at every airline is so easy these days I suggested he do that, at a minimum, to satisfy himself he'd left no stone unturned in researching the possibilities that might be available to him...a no-cost effort.

Things change and you never know when you might stumble upon an opportunity.

[BAe 146-100]

I guess, although those HR departments will be thinking wow he spent all that time on a app and then ticked No for US work authorisation?! Having said that I suppose the filtering will be done automatically anyway, it will auto reject you out as soon as you click no.

[JoseLeon]

I guess, although those HR departments will be thinking wow he spent all that time on a app and then ticked No for US work authorisation?! Having said that I suppose the filtering will be done automatically anyway, it will auto reject you out as soon as you click no.


The apps should allow you to build your profile without submitting it. I would submit it once the green card is obtained.

[bafanguy]

Having said that I suppose the filtering will be done automatically anyway, it will auto reject you out as soon as you click no.

BAe 146-100,

Yes, very likely in a formal application (and they're a pain in the neck to fill out). But...my poorly-made point is that one never knows what's going on behind the curtain in the airline HR world (how bad is the "shortage" ?). They occasionally do things that don't necessarily get advertised promptly. At least by contacting these HR people directly, he may discover something...or not. In any event, a few emails to them containing his resume and questions are low cost efforts. Just a thought...

[JoseLeon]

Hi everyone, British A320 FO here, 2500hrs, 27yo. No green card etc and UK CAA licence - but very keen to explore options in the states. Would I have a shot at a legacy at my age/experience or would I need to be looking at a regional first, or similar? If i did move out, would the career progress be fairly fast due to retirements/expansion? And how are pilots like me received/perceived in the states? (ie, got an A320 job straight out of integrated ATPL training, didn't do the hour building/PIC route that is common in the states as it's not how it's done over here?)

Thanks!

Hello Busdriver01,

You would definitely have a shot at a legacy and a high probability of success at a low cost carrier. You will not have any issues with the pilots as these are big corporations and you will be just like any other pilot. Your main issue will be obtaining the green card. Based on your brief description, you don't seem to qualify for an EB2-NIW without further analysis of your qualifications. J.

[Busdriver01]

Hello Busdriver01,

You would definitely have a shot at a legacy and a high probability of success at a low cost carrier. You will not have any issues with the pilots as these are big corporations and you will be just like any other pilot. Your main issue will be obtaining the green card. Based on your brief description, you don't seem to qualify for an EB2-NIW without further analysis of your qualifications. J.
Thanks! I have done more research and agree it seems unlikely i'd get anywhere unless a sponsorship for a work visa was on offer from the airline, or the Govt. do a visa waiver etc. I wont hold my breath..!

[bafanguy]

I guess this involves some kind of visa stuff ? What does a year of masters classes have to do with getting a B737 job ?

"B737 NG First Officer and Captain employment in the USA after one (1) year of Master's degree classes."

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/18033.html

[Flocks]

If you have a master degree in Europe for example, you can join last year of an aeronautical master degree in USA what will give you a F1 student visa and once you complete your study (what maybe can be difficult, exam and all) will give you a work permit valid for 1 year as you did 1 year study in USA, so I believe this offer is just before you start your study you already have garantee to have an airline taking you once you complete the study and have the work permit.

​​​​​​IF during your study the economy goes bad or the airlines doesn't need you anymore, I m not sure what are your garantee there and I m also not sure what happened at the end of your one year work visa, probably because you have a job it can be extended but I m not an expert enough.
1 year university is also expensive (i would say 25K$) and also your work permit can only be in the field of your study, so if you do an aeronautical master, pilot is maybe ok, but if you study law you can t go for a pilot job.

Again, I m not an expert.

[Too Low Terrain]

Does a TRE/TRI (A320) qualification add to the "market value" of an applicant ?
I have more than 20k hours on narrow body commercial jets and seriously consider to end my career in the US.
Would not mind sitting in the right seat either, don't need it for my ego....

Training position with a major carrier would also suit me well. Are there opportunities for this in general ?

[bafanguy]

Does a TRE/TRI (A320) qualification add to the "market value" of an applicant ?
...seriously consider to end my career in the US.


Training position with a major carrier would also suit me well. Are there opportunities for this in general ?

TLT,

While your qualifications certainly have value it's hard to say if a particular airline would see them as value or someone not trainable to "their" way. They have some peculiar attitudes about some things.

My observation is that instructor pilots come in two versions: (1) those who are pilots on the airline's seniority list...(2) those hired as contractors but are not on the seniority list. I get the impression the non-seniority-list instructors aren't paid all that well. Those on the list are paid quite well.

Do you have the legal ability to live/work in the USA ?

You might ask your questions on jetcareers.com It's run by a Delta pilot with serious connections to Delta.

Here's a link to a discussion of one airline's instructor thing:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/139682-line-pilot-s-instructor-pay.html

[Chauderon]

If you have a master degree in Europe for example, you can join last year of an aeronautical master degree in USA what will give you a F1 student visa and once you complete your study (what maybe can be difficult, exam and all) will give you a work permit valid for 1 year as you did 1 year study in USA, so I believe this offer is just before you start your study you already have garantee to have an airline taking you once you complete the study and have the work permit.

​​​​​​IF during your study the economy goes bad or the airlines doesn't need you anymore, I m not sure what are your garantee there and I m also not sure what happened at the end of your one year work visa, probably because you have a job it can be extended but I m not an expert enough.
1 year university is also expensive (i would say 25K$) and also your work permit can only be in the field of your study, so if you do an aeronautical master, pilot is maybe ok, but if you study law you can t go for a pilot job.

Again, I m not an expert.

I can’t imagine an operator would take on a pilot with a student visa, who can only work for one year of which the first couple of months would be indoc and OE training?

[vennnz]

actually is 3 years, 1 + 2. eagle jet say they have an airline willing to do that to fly 737, i wonder which airline is it.

[FourStripes]

For those I-140 cases that got approved and are consular processing, have you received your interview letter?

how long from documentarily complete until you got the interview schedule?

[Ecam321]

For those I-140 cases that got approved and are consular processing, have you received your interview letter?

how long from documentarily complete until you got the interview schedule?

I think it depends on how busy the consulate that you nominated for your interview is. Some consulates will have plenty of open interview slots others in countries with a larger group of people wishing to emigrate will be backed up with no open slots at all.
This whole Green Card process is a waiting game, everything moves at a glacial pace.

[FourStripes]

May 2023 Visa Bulletin is out.

4 months of retrogression to 15FEB22

[fisher22]

May 2023 Visa Bulletin is out.

4 months of retrogression to 15FEB22

And what does this mean exactly?

[Ecam321]

May 2023 Visa Bulletin is out.

4 months of retrogression to 15FEB22

I believe if you have already been notified by the NVC to go through with consular processing then you will still get allocated an interview when everything is right, even if your priority date is after 15th February.

This is from the state department:

This bulletin summarizes the availability of immigrant numbers during May for: “Final Action Dates” and “Dates for Filing Applications,” indicating when immigrant visa applicants should be notified to assemble and submit required documentation to the National Visa Center.

[michael93]

Anyone with actual experience with Harvey Law Group? Could you PM me please? Have couple of questions about them, as they are advertised almost everywhere, thanks

[yyzshill]

Hey everyone. 330 FO at Air Canada here currently 26, sitting around 2500 hours. Have an Aviation Bachelor Degree. Former Flight Instructor with a DH8/B737 type as well. How are the chances of getting hired direct at a legacy?

[bafanguy]

Hey everyone. 330 FO at Air Canada here currently 26, sitting around 2500 hours. Have an Aviation Bachelor Degree. Former Flight Instructor with a DH8/B737 type as well. How are the chances of getting hired direct at a legacy?

Do you have the legal ability to live/work in the USA ? Do you have an FAA license ?


P.S. Based on what I read, your quals seem competitive at the legacy level...and LCC. Good luck.

[yyzshill]

Do you have the legal ability to live/work in the USA ? Do you have an FAA license ?

will have it through spouse, working on conversion course shortly

[bafanguy]

will have it through spouse, working on conversion course shortly

Understand. At the risk of telling you something you already know, are you using this process or something else ?

I'm not sure what the timeline is for this vs going to KMIA and getting an FAA ATPL at a training company. If you have a TCCA CPL the process might be different ?:

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-135A.pdf

[FourStripes]

what is the breakdown of your hours? PIC/SIC/SIC jet/SIC turbine etc. Legacy carriers always like the breakdown.

[FalseGS]

For pilots who have never worked previously with US carriers how do they navigate the PRIA requirements?

I dunno if that's the right term. But with no previous verifiable training and checking records, is that considered a disadvantage by the recruitment algorithms?

Seeing how competitive the field of candidates is, would this filter out new entrants into the US job market?

[bafanguy]

For pilots who have never worked previously with US carriers how do they navigate the PRIA requirements?

I dunno if that's the right term. But with no previous verifiable training and checking records, is that considered a disadvantage by the recruitment algorithms?

Seeing how competitive the field of candidates is, would this filter out new entrants into the US job market?


FGS,

IIUC, the PRIA request is only made after a pilot has been given a job offer and is part of the processing to begin employment. It has to be completed before a pilot "begins service as a pilot" or words to that effect. I don't think an airline jumps this hurdle for every applicant as part of the application process. And I think "begins service" means actually flying the line rather than starts training. But I assume an airline wants this PRIA/PRD stuff done before you start new-hire school. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

As for foreign pilots, there is an exception under PRIA:


"3.5.2 Good Faith Exception. You may allow an individual to begin service as a pilot 30 calendar-days after submitting the request without first obtaining information from a previous employer that has gone out of business, is in bankruptcy, or is a foreign government or operator that employed the individual if you make a documented attempt to obtain such information."

"5.7.1 PRIA Check. If you want to hire a pilot/applicant who has worked as a pilot for a foreign air carrier, you should request that individual’s PRIA records from the foreign carrier."



6.2.2 Terms Related to a Professional Pilot’s Employment.

Placed into Service. Upon completion of the required company training, a pilot is released for service to begin performance as a pilot, usually under the supervision of a chief pilot or a training captain, for the prescribed period of time or flight hours. Under PRIA, a pilot cannot be placed into service until the hiring employer has requested, received, and evaluated the required records requested under PRIA, unless a good faith or other exception applies.






Advisory Circular 120-68G, June 21, 2016 (https://nbaa.org/wp-content/uploads/flight-department-administration/personnel/PRD/AC_120-68G.pdf) (1 MB, PDF)

The whole thing is in transition from PRIA to the Pilot Records Database (PRD) and I haven't researched it to see if PRD is different from PRIA in that regard. I'd be surprised if it was:


"Operators currently comply with PRIA. Continued use of PRIA is required to support a successful transition to PRD. By September 9, 2024, the FAA intends to complete the transition from PRIA to PRD."

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/06/10/2021-11424/pilot-records-database

[MarkerInbound]

Only US operators (121, 125, 135, 91k and some straight 91) are required to submit reports under part 111, the PRD. So there probably won’t be anything about a foreign pilot. Part 111 does say -

Reviewing entities may allow an individual to begin service as a pilot without first evaluating records in accordance with §111.105 (file:///private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/6B5B551F-CE1C-40AF-A8A9-CACE0D363CF8/faraim-swift.app/content/f_111.105) only if the reviewing entity—

(a) Made a documented, good faith attempt to access all necessary information maintained in the PRD that the reviewing entity is required to evaluate; and

(b) Received notice from the Administrator that information is missing from the PRD pertaining to the individual’s employment history as a pilot.

So they have to ask and be told there are no records on that pilot.

[bafanguy]

MI,

So it appears PRIA and PRD will treat a case like FalseGS the same way at the functional level, i.e., they can't penalize a pilot for information that isn't there ?

[NGjockey]

https://rishworthaviation.com/job/skywest-charter-ntr-crj200-captains-part-135-foreign-pilots?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=hootsuite&utm_campaign=jobs&utm_content=skywest%20part%20121

It appears things are getting easier for foreigners...

[FalseGS]

I saw that as well.
I don't know how non Aussie pilots would qualify.
An under process/potential EB-2 application won't qualify for employment in any shape or form.
The E3 only applies to Australia.
Which visa sponsorship would they use to get your foot in the door?

The only upside with this program is their funding of your EB2 app. And I'm sure there will be riders attached to that.

[A3X0]

Hello Everyone

i am looking at the possibility to get the green card/niw via the law CORTES IMMIGRATION.

Anyone can provide me with some information/feedback about this law firm? Competent? Customer service …

i would be grateful

thank you

a3xo

[737pilotguy]

I saw that as well.
I don't know how non Aussie pilots would qualify.
An under process/potential EB-2 application won't qualify for employment in any shape or form.
The E3 only applies to Australia.
Which visa sponsorship would they use to get your foot in the door?

The only upside with this program is their funding of your EB2 app. And I'm sure there will be riders attached to that.

They don't even fund the process, they say they'll repay the expenses after training is complete. Plus, I'd imagine there is some kind of bond with Skywest afterwards.

[FourStripes]

https://rishworthaviation.com/job/skywest-charter-ntr-crj200-captains-part-135-foreign-pilots?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=hootsuite&utm_campaign=jobs&utm_content=skywest%20part%20121

It appears things are getting easier for foreigners...

Looks like this program is most suitable for the Aussie pilots that need a sponsor for the E-3 visa.

The EB2-NIW visa is a self sponsoir visa, thus you don't need any airline to sponsor your petition. The only upside to this it seems is that they will reimburse the $700 filing fee for the EB2-NIW after you land stateside and ready to start and pass the training with them.

On the flipside, if you already have the visa and green card in hand you can choose any airline be it a regional or a legacy carrier, so no need to waste your time with rishworth unless you want your $700 as a refund.

[Ecam321]

https://rishworthaviation.com/job/skywest-charter-ntr-crj200-captains-part-135-foreign-pilots?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=hootsuite&utm_campaign=jobs&utm_content=skywest%20part%20121

It appears things are getting easier for foreigners...

It appears that this might not even get off the ground in any meaningful way

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1220x2000/69c8d991_c8c5_4d2a_b3fd_38c2604ba9ed_82cf604553ec3a0c8a70410 2af73b8887cc0e417.jpeg

[737pilotguy]

It appears that this might not even get off the ground in any meaningful way

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1220x2000/69c8d991_c8c5_4d2a_b3fd_38c2604ba9ed_82cf604553ec3a0c8a70410 2af73b8887cc0e417.jpeg
Exactly my thoughts as well. And it isn't the first time this part 135 stuff is attempted to bypass the 1,500 hours.

[Ecam321]

Hello Everyone

i am looking at the possibility to get the green card/niw via the law CORTES IMMIGRATION.

Anyone can provide me with some information/feedback about this law firm? Competent? Customer service …

i would be grateful

thank you

a3xo

I spoke with this firm before I started the process, I got the opinion that in terms of competency and customer service they would be great but they were very expensive, I also felt they would take on anyone regardless of their experience and qualifications. I went with a firm that was much much cheaper and wouldn’t take me as a client until they went through my qualifications and felt I had a fighting chance of success.

[A3X0]

I spoke with this firm before I started the process, I got the opinion that in terms of competency and customer service they would be great but they were very expensive, I also felt they would take on anyone regardless of their experience and qualifications. I went with a firm that was much much cheaper and wouldn’t take me as a client until they went through my qualifications and felt I had a fighting chance of success.
thank you ECAM321 for your feedback. May I ask you please finally with which firm you are finally using?

Thank you once again

[Ecam321]

thank you ECAM321 for your feedback. May I ask you please finally with which firm you are finally using?

Thank you once again

Dunn Law, Bloomington Illinois

[SIDS N STARS]

There is also an immigration lawyer who is registered on here. Maybe send him a PM and he can give you information specific to your situation.

I've heard good things about Harvey Law and Hayman Woodward, but I have not dealt with them personally

[A3X0]

Thank you ECAM321 and SIDNSTARS for your precious feedback

By the way 3 firms have mentioned I am a good candidate and one mentioned that I am not

best regards

A3x0

[Ecam321]

Thank you ECAM321 and SIDNSTARS for your precious feedback

By the way 3 firms have mentioned I am a good candidate and one mentioned that I am not

best regards

A3x0

What I have learnt is that to be successful you need something extra other than 1000’s of hours. Any kind of training position will be of benefit, working in safety etc You have to be able to make the case that what you have to offer is going to benefit the US. and you have to have people to be able to write letters, testifying to that.

Good luck

[YYZ_bound]

So, went through all Eb-2 NIW on my own, without any lawyers. Have the final green card interview this month. You don't need to pay thousands of dollars to any lawyers. it's either you get it or not.
AS long as you prepare a good file to send to USCIS.

[FourStripes]

So, went through all Eb-2 NIW on my own, without any lawyers. Have the final green card interview this month. You don't need to pay thousands of dollars to any lawyers. it's either you get it or not.
AS long as you prepare a good file to send to USCIS.

How long did you wait after being documentarily complete to receiving the inteview letter schedule? What Embassy? What is your priority date?

[FourStripes]

​​​​​So, originally, it was Montreal, but you have 0 chances to get anything there. I was able to transfer to another embassy in Europe, cause of my other citizenship. Because of that, my new DQ date was January, and IL was received end of March.​​

Good luck on the interview. Do let us know how it goes down. So it only took around 90 days from DQ to the receipt of the interview letter?

[YYZ_bound]

Good luck on the interview. Do let us know how it goes down. So it only took around 90 days from DQ to the receipt of the interview letter?

What is your consulte/embassy? there is a forum called Visajourney, and people from all around the world are posting their timelines. All you need to do is find the country of your embassy and visa category. But, if you are in Canada, it's a 2 year wait time. Especially now, with retrogression..its getting harder to get an interview. So, it's pointless to pay the lawyer even. Our priority date was Oct 2021, the date we filed I-140. Will keep posted how the interview will go.

[737pilotguy]

What is your consulte/embassy? there is a forum called Visajourney, and people from all around the world are posting their timelines. All you need to do is find the country of your embassy and visa category. But, if you are in Canada, it's a 2 year wait time. Especially now, with retrogression..its getting harder to get an interview. So, it's pointless to pay the lawyer even. Our priority date was Oct 2021, the date we filed I-140. Will keep posted how the interview will go.

I'd appreciate interview feedback as well. Currently waiting as my PD has retrogressed.

[JoseLeon]

So, went through all Eb-2 NIW on my own, without any lawyers. Have the final green card interview this month. You don't need to pay thousands of dollars to any lawyers. it's either you get it or not.
AS long as you prepare a good file to send to USCIS.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Congrats on getting the approval, however, for every success story, my law firm gets contacted by 10 self-petitions that got RFEd or denied. It is a multimillion dollar career that you are trying to save a 4 day trip worth of FedEx pay by doing it yourself. As an airline pilots myself, I have flown with plenty of pilots that consider themselves financial experts, legal experts, military experts, gun experts, beer brewing experts, etc. when most are not.

[JoseLeon]

There is also an immigration lawyer who is registered on here. Maybe send him a PM and he can give you information specific to your situation

That's me, happy to help!

[Fubster]

What I have learnt is that to be successful you need something extra other than 1000’s of hours. Any kind of training position will be of benefit, working in safety etc You have to be able to make the case that what you have to offer is going to benefit the US. and you have to have people to be able to write letters, testifying to that.

Good luck

About the recommendation letter, you have objective and subjective recommenders. Oscar the scientist 👨‍🔬, talks about recommendation letters. I can’t post links yet, but you can look up “Independent recommendation letters: minimize RFEs - EB2 NIW” on youtube.

Seems this forum is filled with objective recommenders :-)

At the moment I’m struggling with an RFE 😖

[Climb150]

That's me, happy to help!

A quick question for you. How many people get the green card application rejected?

[JoseLeon]

About the recommendation letter, you have objective and subjective recommenders. Oscar the scientist 👨‍🔬, talks about recommendation letters. I can’t post links yet, but you can look up “Independent recommendation letters: minimize RFEs - EB2 NIW” on youtube.

Seems this forum is filled with objective recommenders :-)

At the moment I’m struggling with an RFE 😖

Hi Fubster, you can email me at [email protected] to discuss offline.