Things are starting to open up?

[herewego75]

I am very surprised that some 777's guys are starting to get full rosters. Yes be it a small number of pilots but it's a start! But I have to ask, what is happening?
The HK gov is still stern on the 2/3 week quarantine! Anyone's guess what CX knows and we don't?

I personally don't see much flying until mid next year! Surely CX want as many of pilots on unpaid leave? Or do they have too much money?

[veryoldchinahand]

Three youngish CX owned B777s returned to HKG from long-term Australian storage yesterday.

[LLLQNH]

CARGO!!! It's not to do with pax sadly, they are making use of the extra cargo capacity of the 777 over the a350! But hey we will take it, any gain is a gain right now

[Flying Clog]

The 777 boys and girls better get their heads around flying the crappy rice bowl freighter routes, and quick smart. This is the future for the 777 fleet.

Any pax flying will likely be short high density stuff as well. Swings and roundabouts, like the 777 fleet was 10-15 years ago. Not a pretty picture. The 350 is the future, and the 777x is a pipe dream.

There's talk of 777Fs as well.

The horrendous Asian short haul flights for the twin, and the North America and Europe routes for the quad.

[carolknows]

Clog, why do you need to sound so BITTER?

[Flex88]

Don't hold your breath.. Politicians, HK, PRC and others aren't finished using their awesome COVID Disruptor Tool to maximum advantage quite yet !! As CX is an entirely "International" airline with bank accounts ravaged by inept princes, it will suffer most.. The following aviation article is simply another nail in the coffin..

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-us-will-not-lift-travel-restrictions-citing-delta-variant-official-2021-07-26/

[Veruka Salt]

The 3 x 777's brought back from Alice yesterday: 1 (-KPL) is a lease return, the other 2 are off to XMN for cargo conversion.

There's an uptick in pax demand at the back end of summer for returning students, but will it last? The 777 is doing some more west coast USA stuff, the 350 predominately east coast.

LLLQNH: even MH now concedes the A35K carries the same as an ER (max payload is actually about 4T higher), but at 15% lower cost. Still, hope you're getting more hours now.

[doublelift]

That is absolutely not true. KQF, HNR will be convert to 77C. KPL,KQP,KPZ have been bought back from ASP recently.

[Veruka Salt]

Not what MLO said. But maybe the Regos have changed. Who cares!

[veryoldchinahand]

VS - Regos seldom change.
Another 7 year old triple returned from long term storage this morning. Many AU and NZ flights in the past 2 weeks now using the triple rather than the A35K

[FlightoftheNavigator]

Might not be so enthusiastic about being reactivated once you're sat at the midfield terminal waiting 2+ hours for test results, after getting your nose and throat scraped for the 8th :mad: time this month...

[veryoldchinahand]

Fac6 =Wrong MOST was not mentioned. I have no idea of how good is your English comprehension but there is a distinct difference in the meaning of the two words with MOST meaning a majority. I trust that this is of assistance. Btw - B-KQT back from Xiamen this morning as a 77W and B-KQF yesterday.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

still a pi**ing match between A and B, who cares, as long as we all get back up in the air. Its just a plane

[Veruka Salt]

And confirmed by MH & SB today that yes, KPL was one of the 3, & yes it’s a lease return.

I like my sources more.

[RAT Management]

As long as A wins... I don't care.

[veryoldchinahand]

Ah -so only 3 triples returned to the pax fleet from l.t. storage this week - one back to leaser - zero to freight. Pleased that we got that sorted.

[badge42]

RAT Management

And that's precisely why everybody's a loser! :ok:

[Jnr380]

So what are you grateful for?
Getting a permanent pay cut?
Getting the same pay as you did 10 years ago and realising there is no further pay raise?
Being away from your family for 19 months and counting?
Thinking what career change you should consider at 45 years of age as ones’ skill are so specialised that it’s difficult to move to other jobs?
Knowing the fact your employer will not teach you other areas of the business because it’s their way of making sure you don’t move on so easily?

yes it sucks losing your job, but personally it’s not the first job I’ve lost and it always turned out to be blessing in disguise.

[Oasis]

I have a feeling that once things are back to normal there will be a severe shortage of pilots.

market forces…

[FlightoftheNavigator]

Feel free to go :mad: yourself :). Haven't you heard? Things are opening up! Apply for the job like everyone else did. If you don't make the cut then I'm afraid that me leaving isn't gonna change a thing.
And.. next time you tell someone to "go back where they came from" without actually saying it, maybe be a bit more subtle.

[Firefly47]

Why are pilots the saddest bunch of losers in the world, all want to think they have attended Top gun and in realtiy they spend more time fighting on Pprune then actually fighting for there own contract.....

[Curry Lamb]

ELP 3 :rolleyes:

[RAT Management]

Firefly47

Nothing will change. We are all divided. The union was broken well before the covid hit. No one will fight for better. Those remaining will scramble to climb into those positions of perceived status only to retire with less than they would have if they had preserved their original pay and conditions. Yes pilots are the saddest bunch of losers you will find. Just listen to the conversations at the MFC.

[Oddball77]

Oasis

Something like 50% of the world's airline pilots are out of work now, what shortage are you talking about? Let's not forget COS18 was introduced before the pandemic.

[CCA]

While world traffic may recover I’m not sure Hong Kong will go breaking any records for years to come.

[btrdux]

Bloody hell guys

If it isn't the classic KA vs CX (now with UO and LD thrown in for good measure), it's 777 vs 747 vs Bus, or locals vs expats, or some other mindless s--t slinging contest.

:rolleyes:

[JMock]

and as usual the winner is CX

[BalloonBuster]

I believe the locals vs expat fire ignited when the locals went crying in court to get rid of the expats.....

[badge42]

Hmmmmm.... Try, early 90's. If you knew your company history, you'd know 'your colleagues' who you refer to as 'locals' owe the 'expats' nothing. ;)

[controlledrest]

Oddball77

POS18 didn't attract airline pilots, it attracted 400 hour (total time) C172 instructors. Of the 120 Aussie pilots only 20 or so have asked to return (and most of them don't yet have visas). Since the guys were on zero pay they had to find other work and POS18 isn't good enough to attract them back. Ten a week are quitting CX as POS18 isn't good enough to retain them. Around the world many have left the industry and most of the large pilot-mills have shut. So, yes there will be a pilot shortage, especially for CX with POS18.

[fatbus]

Not in the short term '

[Curry Lamb]

Things are indeed starting to open up - just not for CXi.

“Roadblocks from unnamed rival” now who could that be :rolleyes:

Hong Kong’s Greater Bay Airlines chooses China’s National Day for maiden flight:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/3144266/hong-kongs-greater-bay-airline-chooses-chinas-national-day