SEAC Vacancy Likely

[RAFEngO74to09]

Daily Mail & The Sun have published so far - MOD Lines to Take being circulated on Twitter but comments attached not suitable for posting here. Comments on ARRSE already.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9758555/Armys-mental-health-tsar-faces-probe-claim-affair-wife-soldier-wanted-help.html

Possible step up for the newly renamed Warrant Officer of the Royal Air Force [previously known as CASWO] ?

[NutLoose]

Why does it keep calling him a major in the article, he is a WO1 Sgt Major.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_sergeant_major

[RAFEngO74to09]

He was commissioned as a Late Entry Captain in 2013 and was then the Academy Sergeant Major at Sandhurst - since "promoted" to Major. He also has an OBE rather than an MBE. It is completely bizzare. He was even due to get a slot on the Advanced Command & Staff Course which was outrageous considering how many lt cdrs / majors / sqn ldrs miss out by a small margin each year.

Apparently there are quite a few Army LE commissioned officers continuing in WO1 gigs.

His current wiki is here which appears to have been hacked by someone - check out the rank !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Haughton

[Old-Duffer]

The Garrison Sgt Maj and (I think) the RSM of the college at Sandhurst and (at least) another have special terms of service which mean that they serve for about 10 years, having given up their opportunity to be commissioned. However, part of the deal sees them actually holding a commission which is 'in suspension'.

It is said to be a huge jump from being 'top soldier' to being just another Lt/Capt etc. Some on this site will recall the RAF Regt WO Danny Gould (sp?) who was commissioned and I understand found it difficult to adjust fully - perhaps it's best to be top of the heap rather than halfway down the pile!

As to an attendance at Staff College, there is probably a good reason for that.

Old Duffer

[The Oberon]

There was always disagreement in the Army as to who was the most senior WO1 in the organisation. The ACSM Sandhurst would lay claim, the GSM London District said it was him and certain WO1s in the RLC were appointed Conductors and when you looked into the history, it was the RLC Conductors that had seniority but the other 2 contenders struggled to accept it. In order to stop the arguments, a few years ago, a new appointment of Army Sgt. Major was created and from day one, he was officially the senior soldier.

As OD has said some of these positions are held by WO1s who have been commissioned but are still acting in senior WO1 posts.

[Just This Once...]

Only the Army could have a 'Senior Enlisted' post where the first holder is actually a commissioned officer but wears the rank of a warrant officer...

[threeputt]

OD it was Danny Gourd.

[Headstone]

Having read all the above it seems this chap is commissioned and will wear his backdated commissioned rank once he relinquishes this role - well probably not now. Is the RAF CASWO on the same terms, that is will he relinquish his WO and become a commissioned chap in the same the same as this chap? Or am I so far from the coal face and out of date now that I have got CASWO role and terms of service completely wrong?
Thread drift but it was always said the two worst things one could do was stealing from comrades and messing about with wives of your subordinates.

[Union Jack]

The Garrison Sgt Maj and (I think) the RSM of the college at Sandhurst and (at least) another have special terms of service which mean that they serve for about 10 years, having given up their opportunity to be commissioned. However, part of the deal sees them actually holding a commission which is 'in suspension'.

It is said to be a huge jump from being 'top soldier' to being just another Lt/Capt etc. Some on this site will recall the RAF Regt WO Danny Gould (sp?) who was commissioned and I understand found it difficult to adjust fully - perhaps it's best to be top of the heap rather than halfway down the pile!

As to an attendance at Staff College, there is probably a good reason for that.

Old Duffer
It certainly is, not least since those of us in dark or light blue would be very surprised to see the Warrant Officer of the Naval Service or the Chief of the Air Staff's Warrant Officer respectively being promoted to Lieutenant Commander or Squadron Leader apparently so quickly and on such a basis. Many thanks to OD for providing the background.

Jack

[NutLoose]

So do you salute a commissioned none commissioned officer ? Which mess does he use?

The problem I see with that is by not relinquishing the rank on being commissioned he is depriving a NCO of attaining that rank.

[MPN11]

Nutty, as his commission is ‘pending’, he’s just (dare I say that?) the Army’s top WO1, and not blocking anyone until he moves on/up/out officially.

Which sort of answers your first 2 questions, I suggest.

[RAFEngO74to09]

Again - note that CASWO was renamed Warrant Officer of the Royal Air Force on 1 Jul 21.

[NutLoose]

Nutty, as his commission is ‘pending’, he’s just (dare I say that?) the Army’s top WO1, and not blocking anyone until he moves on/up/out officially.

Which sort of answers your first 2 questions, I suggest.


ok….. so if it’s pending and thus he is not yet an officer, how can he then be promoted to major as he does not “hold” the rank

[langleybaston]

There was always disagreement in the Army as to who was the most senior WO1 in the organisation. The ACSM Sandhurst would lay claim, the GSM London District said it was him and certain WO1s in the RLC were appointed Conductors and when you looked into the history, it was the RLC Conductors that had seniority but the other 2 contenders struggled to accept it. In order to stop the arguments, a few years ago, a new appointment of Army Sgt. Major was created and from day one, he was officially the senior soldier.

As OD has said some of these positions are held by WO1s who have been commissioned but are still acting in senior WO1 posts.

The seniority of conductors is and always was a myth, except that between 1879 and 1881 they were the ONLY Warrant officers. At various times since before Waterloo, Hospital Mates, Schoolmasters, cavalry Troop QMs and Master Gunners held army Warrants, issued on behalf of the Sovereign, in early days by Regimental Colonels, subsequently by a Secretary of State...

In 1881 a whole raft of the most senior NCOs including sergeant-majors were warranted, and the official top grouping was defined as alphabetical, thus Conductor looked senior. The conductor was always in this top bracket but seniority within that bracket was by date of promotion or appointment, and in practice was determined by who was the expert on the ground.

Since 1989, when the RA appointed "The RA Sergeant Major" with a special badge, there has been grade and badge inflation at an absurd, Disney-style pace, emulating the USA practice..

There are now two new, exalted strata among WO Class 1 in the army: They are The Army Command Sergeant Major, and a slack handful of Command Sergeant Majors, , one for each Corps and major grouping. All at this level hold LE commissions.

The Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chiefs of Staff could, in theory, be the RN or RAF equivalent of The Army Command Sergeant Major. I would not hold my breath .........

[MPN11]

ok….. so if it’s pending and thus he is not yet an officer, how can he then be promoted to major as he does not “hold” the rankTime in rank? Or rather Mark Time promotion? :ok:

My thanks to LB for the detailed update. As I have a friend in the USA who is a former Army Cmd Sgt Maj, I will decline to draw parallels!

[Just This Once...]

Again - note that CASWO was renamed Warrant Officer of the Royal Air Force on 1 Jul 21.

A serving squadron leader I presume?

[The Oberon]

A serving squadron leader I presume?

I think you will find that W.O. RAF and his R.N. equivalent are still just W.O.s with no "hidden" commissions. I am not 100% sure, but I think that the RM Corps RSM is the same.

[Union Jack]

I think you will find that W.O. RAF and his R.N. equivalent are still just W.O.s with no "hidden" commissions. I am not 100% sure, but I think that the RM Corps RSM is the same.
Not being cheeky, but I think you will find that JTO was being facetious.....:D

Jack

[Davef68]

Is it a better pension thing? By my reckoning an OF3 would get a better pension than an OR9 after 25 years service? Or has that changed?

[The Oberon]

Not being cheeky, but I think you will find that JTO was being facetious.....:D

Jack
Got sucked in, no excuses.

[4everAD]

We seem to have drifted from the first post which was pointing out the alleged serious misconduct of the most senior Non-Commisioned Officer in the British armed forces and how (if it is to be believed) he abused his position of trust to have an extra marital affair with a junior ranks wife after the junior had approached him with alleged mental health issues. I think it matters not a jot if he is a WO1 or a Major it sounds like he's a snake and hopefully if proven he is dismissed from her Majesty's service.

[langleybaston]

We seem to have drifted from the first post which was pointing out the alleged serious misconduct of the most senior Non-Commisioned Officer in the British armed forces and how (if it is to be believed) he abused his position of trust to have an extra marital affair with a junior ranks wife after the junior had approached him with alleged mental health issues. I think it matters not a jot if he is a WO1 or a Major it sounds like he's a snake and hopefully if proven he is dismissed from her Majesty's service.

Except that Warrant Officers are not, and never have been, NCOs ....... this was spelled out as early as 1882 in an Army Order.

Let us not rush to judgement on the strength of tabloid stories, but permanent reputational harm has been done to the man and the army. This is on top of two senior officers convicted for outrageous fraud..

[Union Jack]

This could all lead to a very swift remounting of medals and miniatures after one, or even possibly two deletions. But never mind - it's not all bad news since I'm led to believe that members of the Household Division get all their court-mounting on the, er, House.

Jack

[MPN11]

Fully agree with your sentiment, LB. Whatever the rank, whatever the allegation, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of the Armed Forces once the Scandal Papers get hold if the story.

I know … we’re all human and subject to all the associated weaknesses and failings, but one does expect higher standards from those in the higher ranks/appointments. Sadly, these expectations will be dashed on a regular basis. As they always have been, with varying degrees of public exposure. I know of many similar cases which have never seen the light of day.

[langleybaston]

Fully agree with your sentiment, LB. Whatever the rank, whatever the allegation, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of the Armed Forces once the Scandal Papers get hold if the story.

I know … we’re all human and subject to all the associated weaknesses and failings, but one does expect higher standards from those in the higher ranks/appointments. Sadly, these expectations will be dashed on a regular basis. As they always have been, with varying degrees of public exposure. I know of many similar cases which have never seen the light of day.

Sometimes the darkness descended "overnight"!.

Example: a Mess thrash at HQRAFG ............ senior officer has his hand on a very inappropriate part of a junior officer's wife during a dance.
JO smashes senior officer in chops, blood and snot everywhere.
In the morning after, only the story remained: senior officer, junior officer and wifey all disappeared.

I missed the dance [damn!] but heard the story when I pitched up in the morning.. At coffee break the senior RAF Plod brazenly denied the very occurrence.

So I am sure it never happened.

[MPN11]

I won't try to top that one … my known cases were far more mundane!

WRAF Cpl emerging from Sqn Ldr’s room in the Mess in the small hours.
WRAF JO and Wg Cdr in her room in the Mess
WRAF JO and Cpl in toilet in Ops block
RAF JO and the Photographic Club, with the young models (CM, but escaped the Media)
etc etc

[mopardave]

As the "mental health Tsar", he really did his bit to help the mental health of the junior NCO who came to him for support...........what a p*ll*ck!

[langleybaston]

ARRSE going strong: clearly Haughton and Carter are not popular [except with each other].

[SASless]

The seniority of conductors is and always was a myth, except that between 1879 and 1881 they were the ONLY Warrant officers. At various times since before Waterloo, Hospital Mates, Schoolmasters, cavalry Troop QMs and Master Gunners held army Warrants, issued on behalf of the Sovereign, in early days by Regimental Colonels, subsequently by a Secretary of State...

In 1881 a whole raft of the most senior NCOs including sergeant-majors were warranted, and the official top grouping was defined as alphabetical, thus Conductor looked senior. The conductor was always in this top bracket but seniority within that bracket was by date of promotion or appointment, and in practice was determined by who was the expert on the ground.

Since 1989, when the RA appointed "The RA Sergeant Major" with a special badge, there has been grade and badge inflation at an absurd, Disney-style pace, emulating the USA practice..

There are now two new, exalted strata among WO Class 1 in the army: They are The Army Command Sergeant Major, and a slack handful of Command Sergeant Majors, , one for each Corps and major grouping. All at this level hold LE commissions.

The Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chiefs of Staff could, in theory, be the RN or RAF equivalent of The Army Command Sergeant Major. I would not hold my breath .........



There I was thinking the US Army was messed up when they began to commission Warrant Officers instead of the old traditional way of Warrant Officers being issued Warrants by the Secretary of the Army and Commissioned Officers being Commissioned by Congress. US Army Warrant Officers are "Officers" not NCO's or OR's.

You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!:ugh:

[Toadstool]

There I was thinking the US Army was messed up when they began to commission Warrant Officers instead of the old traditional way of Warrant Officers being issued Warrants by the Secretary of the Army and Commissioned Officers being Commissioned by Congress. US Army Warrant Officers are "Officers" not NCO's or OR's.

You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!:ugh:

Well, we have been doing this for a lot longer, which is why we have traditions. Give it a couple of centuries and you will upgrade to traditions from “habits”. 😂

[langleybaston]

or:

once is a precedent
twice is a habit
thrice is a tradition.

[downsizer]

This whole post is a made up job for the boys....

Just like the Group WOs.

[Slow Biker]

There I was thinking the US Army was messed up when they began to commission Warrant Officers instead of the old traditional way of Warrant Officers being issued Warrants by the Secretary of the Army and Commissioned Officers being Commissioned by Congress. US Army Warrant Officers are "Officers" not NCO's or OR's.

You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!:ugh:

A US Army Lt once remarked to me that a warrant officer is an officer who works.

[OilCan]

Except that All Warrant Officers are not, and never have been, NCOs ....... .

Corrected it for you. :p

[SASless]

Bike,

US Army Warrant Officers are highly skilled technicians whose primary skill is out smarting RLO's....Real Live Officers.

As you might not know.....qualifying scores to enter Warrant Officer School exceeds that of Officer Candidate School (OCS).

Only the US Army would craft a system that puts the less bright in command of the brighter ones.....with expected results.

Perhaps there are some similarities between the British Army and mine after all.

[Slow Biker]

SAS, I don't think it was said in a derogatory manner, we were discussing the difference between an RAF warrant officer and a US Army one. I guess you are right about the similarities between us; one of the duties of a wo is to mentor junior RLOs, which was at times, dare I say, entertaining.

[langleybaston]

Corrected it for you. :p
I take your point, mine was ill-put.

No current warrant officer is a current NCO. Warrant officers as a group may not be referred to as NCOs.

Barring miracles, every current WO has been an NCO. This was not always the case.

Peace be with you.

[MPN11]

Some years ago I interacted closely with the US Army National Guard on an annual basis. One of the more unusual situations was the Lt Col who had reached the age limit for his rank [or something like that] and became a CW3 instead. At least those encounters educated me on the specialised roles and status of CWs.

[SASless]

MPN....when an Officer gets passed over for promotion the third time and is confronted with being removed from the Army....many reverted to Warrant Officer Ranks depending upon what was offered to them.

The joke was "How long does it take to make CW3? Twenty Years if you start at Lieutenant.".

Mind you....the Senior Warrant Officer Rank is CW5.....so upon reverting to CW3....the LtCol took a small pay cut and gained a lot of prestige and respect upon becoming a Warrant Officer.

As a CW2 I was offered a Direct Commission to 1st Lieutenant....but turned it down as I knew come RIF time post Vietnam those of us that took those offers would be the first to be cut unless we had completed both Officer Basic Course and the Advanced Course.

Those schools were not going to be offered as the need was for combat unit service in Vietnam with no guarantee it would be in Aviation....and would likely be in Infantry units upon completion of the Basic Course.

Turns out I was right....vast majority of those that took the direct wound up back as Warrants or just plain Civilians.

[Two's in]

... Barring miracles, every current WO has been an NCO. This was not always the case...

Some time ago the REME (the thinking man's Army) did experiment with Direct Entrant Artificers, where with appropriate academic qualifications and a crash course in square bashing, you could attend the Artificers course (nearly 2 years) and if you qualified, start your first real job as a Staff Sergeant (E6/7 Equivalent). Theoretically, after 4 years in role you could be selected for Warrant Officer Class 2. Not sure how many tried, but it was regarded as a dismal failure. Who knew that crashing around as a Staff Sergeant with only 2 years experience sat in a classroom behind you was not good grooming for being a Senior NCO? Oh that's right, everybody knew...

[Jobza Guddun]

This whole post is a made up job for the boys....

Just like the Group WOs.

Who's idea was the GWO though? I know PLENTY of FS and WO and not one of them want one of these jobs. Mind you, in the techie world no-one wants to be CASWO sorry WORAF either!

[Slow Biker]

Who's idea was the GWO though? I know PLENTY of FS and WO and not one of them want one of these jobs. Mind you, in the techie world no-one wants to be CASWO sorry WORAF either!

I believe the first CASWO was a rigger. But the job has changed a lot since then.

[langleybaston]

I suspect that the RAF and RN have someone at the Army Command Sergeant Major level is because the army have one. {Well, two actually, as SEAC is army ........ until Nemesis].

[RAFEngO74to09]

This whole post is a made up job for the boys....

Just like the Group WOs.

Don't even get me started on the nonsense RAF Group WO jobs or the so-called Senior Enlisted Advisor at HQ AIRCOM - all seem only to have got where they are by carving out a niche role for themselves as "advisors" on stuff like LGBTQ, gender, diversity, inclusion, mental health etc, getting noticed on Twitter to the extent of getting likes by "on message" 1* > 4* - and even getting MBEs for it !

Examples:

HQ AIRCOM WO Sara Catterall MBE RAF (@CSEL_NATOAIRCOM) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/CSEL_NATOAIRCOM)

22 Gp Sarah Cotman (@sarahcotman) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/sarahcotman)

By comparison, the USAF system is to groom SNCOs from successful Sqn First Sergeant assignments into Superintendent / Command Chief appointments at ever increasing levels of responsibility and influence: Wing (ie base) > numbered Air Force > Major Command / Theatre > CMSAF.

In my experience, they are much more skilled in both verbal and written communication and taken more notice of.

A prime example is the current CMSAF JoAnne Bass who has an Ops Support background - including "spec ops" and an impressive array of prior appointments:

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/2314276/chief-master-sergeant-of-the-air-force-joanne-s-bass/

[downsizer]

Don't even get me started on the nonsense RAF Group WO jobs or the so-called Senior Enlisted Advisor at HQ AIRCOM - all seem only to have got where they are by carving out a niche role for themselves as "advisors" on stuff like LGBTQ, gender, diversity, inclusion, mental health etc, getting noticed on Twitter to the extent of getting likes by "on message" 1* > 4* - and even getting MBEs for it !

Examples:

HQ AIRCOM WO Sara Catterall MBE RAF (@CSEL_NATOAIRCOM) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/CSEL_NATOAIRCOM)

22 Gp Sarah Cotman (@sarahcotman) / Twitter (https://twitter.com/sarahcotman)

By comparison, the USAF system is to groom SNCOs from successful Sqn First Sergeant assignments into Superintendent / Command Chief appointments at ever increasing levels of responsibility and influence: Wing (ie base) > numbered Air Force > Major Command / Theatre > CMSAF.

In my experience, they are much more skilled in both verbal and written communication and taken more notice of.

A prime example is the current CMSAF JoAnne Bass who has an Ops Support background - including "spec ops" and an impressive array of prior appointments:

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/2314276/chief-master-sergeant-of-the-air-force-joanne-s-bass/

I genuinely fail to see the point of Gp WOs. I have no idea what they are bringing to the table.

[mad_collie]

I genuinely fail to see the point of Gp WOs. I have no idea what they are bringing to the table.
They are there to introduce the new 'WO Lite'.

Just before I left they mentioned that Exec WOs going for a commission would have their recent SJARs included with their OJARs for the PSB. It keeps them in check as they know they can't say what the normal teflon WOs would tell the Senior Officer cadre.

[downsizer]

They are there to introduce the new 'WO Lite'.

Just before I left they mentioned that Exec WOs going for a commission would have their recent SJARs included with their OJARs for the PSB. It keeps them in check as they know they can't say what the normal teflon WOs would tell the Senior Officer cadre.

Sounds about right. This "clique" of faux WOs seem to bounce from made up job to SWO to made up job never returning to trade.

[OldnDaft]

Sounds about right. This "clique" of faux WOs seem to bounce from made up job to SWO to made up job never returning to trade.
Gp WOs are a total waste of time. What are they measured by? What do they produce? And how much time is spent looking into their past to ensure they have no skeletons in the cupboard........... A shambles

[langleybaston]

Totally agree!

In my very happy time as a Met-man on RAF stations Home and Away, the SWO was a highly respected figure. Station Commander's Inspection always included the Staish and the SWO, with big black stick and [snigger not] silver knob.
The SWO at RAF Nicosia was quite magnificent: changed his KD at lunchtime, and was very good at the nitty-gritty support level.

What a Group WO adds to the party escapes me.

Just because the Army copied NATO who copied the US in adding "super-WOs" does not mean that the most intelligent of our three services should emulate them.

[Union Jack]

Totally agree!

In my very happy time as a Met-man on RAF stations Home and Away, the SWO was a highly respected figure. Station Commander's Inspection always included the Staish and the SWO, with big black stick and [snigger not] silver knob.
The SWO at RAF Nicosia was quite magnificent: changed his KD at lunchtime, and was very good at the nitty-gritty support level.

What a Group WO adds to the party escapes me.

Just because the Army copied NATO who copied the US in adding "super-WOs" does not mean that the most intelligent of our three services should emulate them.

How kind of you pay the Royal Navy such a nice compliment!:ok:

Jack

[langleybaston]

How kind of you pay the Royal Navy such a nice compliment!:ok:

Jack

Nice try. No cigar.

[Roadster280]

Totally agree!

In my very happy time as a Met-man on RAF stations Home and Away, the SWO was a highly respected figure. Station Commander's Inspection always included the Staish and the SWO, with big black stick and [snigger not] silver knob.
The SWO at RAF Nicosia was quite magnificent: changed his KD at lunchtime, and was very good at the nitty-gritty support level.

What a Group WO adds to the party escapes me.

Just because the Army copied NATO who copied the US in adding "super-WOs" does not mean that the most intelligent of our three services should emulate them.

The Army has had “super WOs” since long before aircraft were thought of, thus begetting a third service, let alone NATO, in the form of Conductors. This is in addition to certain appointments of other WOs. The recent fad for non-jobs for WOs I agree is pointless, but all three services and CDS has signed up for them. None of the services are blameless.

[langleybaston]

The Army has had “super WOs” since long before aircraft were thought of, thus begetting a third service, let alone NATO, in the form of Conductors. This is in addition to certain appointments of other WOs. The recent fad for non-jobs for WOs I agree is pointless, but all three services and CDS has signed up for them. None of the services are blameless.

Ah! That old Conductor myth.
For a short period, 1879 to 1881, conductors were the ONLY warrant officers in the army.
Before 1879, but not continuously, the following were warrant officers: hospital mates, master gunners of Coast Brigades, cavalry troop quartermasters and schoolmasters.
From 1881 conductors were in the top status group of the most senior warrant officers, which included master gunner first. Queen's Regs of the period, and KR subsequently, make the point that conductors headed the list because it was alphabetical. Precedence within the top group between individuals was to be decided by date of warrant or appointment.
From 1989, when the RA and the RM appointed Corps WOs, the conductors were on the way down a slippery slope, and subsequent inventions of two even higher levels [Army Command and SEAC] have put the conductors below the salt.
This all gives the badge inventors a chance to produce designs that become progressively uglier, like the incumbents.

[Slow Biker]

Ah! That old Conductor myth.
For a short period, 1879 to 1881, conductors were the ONLY warrant officers in the army.
Before 1879, but not continuously, the following were warrant officers: hospital mates, master gunners of Coast Brigades, cavalry troop quartermasters and schoolmasters.
From 1881 conductors were in the top status group of the most senior warrant officers, which included master gunner first. Queen's Regs of the period, and KR subsequently, make the point that conductors headed the list because it was alphabetical. Precedence within the top group between individuals was to be decided by date of warrant or appointment.
From 1989, when the RA and the RM appointed Corps WOs, the conductors were on the way down a slippery slope, and subsequent inventions of two even higher levels [Army Command and SEAC] have put the conductors below the salt.
This all gives the badge inventors a chance to produce designs that become progressively uglier, like the incumbents.

Try telling the RLC the conductor is below the salt!

[cynicalint]

Irrespective of seniority of conductor, Fleet chief, Master aircrew, RSM, CSM, BSM, GSM etc. the behaviour of the individual who is the subject of this thread is beyond the pale, both for non-commissioned. WO and commissioned service. He abused his position of trust in one of the most deplorable ways possible. Let's not allow the length of one's member drive this thread, but just decry the (ir)responsible actions of the individual who should have commanded the trust and reliance of all military people who depend totally on trustworthy team work..

[The Oberon]

According to Arrse, his LinkedIn profile now says he is no longer SEAC or serving in the Army.

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

Irrespective of seniority of conductor, Fleet chief, Master aircrew, RSM, CSM, BSM, GSM etc. the behaviour of the individual who is the subject of this thread is beyond the pale, both for non-commissioned. WO and commissioned service. He abused his position of trust in one of the most deplorable ways possible. Let's not allow the length of one's member drive this thread, but just decry the (ir)responsible actions of the individual who should have commanded the trust and reliance of all military people who depend totally on trustworthy team work..

Totally agree. Deplorable conduct (literally, not by appointment).

NEO

[langleybaston]

According to ARRSE he has fallen on his [pork] sword.

[RAFEngO74to09]

Now out of the British Army as well as the SEAC post and seeking employment via LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenn-haughton-obe-mba-1485b4152/

[langleybaston]

My local LIDL has a shelf-stacker vacancy but not sure if they are desperate.
I wouldn't want him in the same county, either.

[air pig]

Some time ago the REME (the thinking man's Army) did experiment with Direct Entrant Artificers, where with appropriate academic qualifications and a crash course in square bashing, you could attend the Artificers course (nearly 2 years) and if you qualified, start your first real job as a Staff Sergeant (E6/7 Equivalent). Theoretically, after 4 years in role you could be selected for Warrant Officer Class 2. Not sure how many tried, but it was regarded as a dismal failure. Who knew that crashing around as a Staff Sergeant with only 2 years experience sat in a classroom behind you was not good grooming for being a Senior NCO? Oh that's right, everybody knew...
Didn’t the same happen in the RAF V Force with direct entry crew chiefs?

[Union Jack]

Now out of the British Army as well as the SEAC post and seeking employment via LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenn-haughton-obe-mba-1485b4152/

Shurely shome mishtake, according to https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenn-haughton-a04033190/

Jack

[The Oberon]

Didn’t the same happen in the RAF V Force with direct entry crew chiefs?
I don't think so, I was on the V Force from 1965 - 1983 and they were all ex rigger or sooty SNCOs. Never came across a sparky or fairy.