AIR ATLANTA

[trancada]

Hi guys

Seems that Air Atlanta is opening some vacancies.

Are they expanding the fleet ?

T&C’s, how is it ?

[Banana Joe]

Worlwide contract on offer. The FO average starting pay is 300 USD per day plus 50 USD per day. For CPT the average starting pay is 400 USD per day. Actual pay to be determined according to experience and performance on the assessment and you're paid from the beginning of line training. Travel and accommodation to place of duty paid for by the company and the hotels are of good quality.
I think that after 300 days in the company you can apply for a fixed 3/2 roster.
It's a contractor position, so you have to look after your taxes. For some it can be interesting, for some not.

Two agencies available: Airborne (MHC Aviation) and Confair. Which of the two is the best?

[IFLYyouBREATH]

Boas companheiro,


planning to resume PAX aircraft's

I won't be the HR at the moment, reviewing tons of CVs, even with guys saying they can fly for free in their cover letters.

[IFLYyouBREATH]

Worlwide contract on offer. The FO average starting pay is 300 USD per day plus 50 USD per day. For CPT the average starting pay is 400 USD per day. Actual pay to be determined according to experience and performance on the assessment and you're paid from the beginning of line training. Travel and accommodation to place of duty paid for by the company and the hotels are of good quality.
I think that after 300 days in the company you can apply for a fixed 3/2 roster.
It's a contractor position, so you have to look after your taxes. For some it can be interesting, for some not.

Two agencies available: Airborne (MHC Aviation) and Confair. Which of the two is the best?

Airborne, from a very large victory

[Banana Joe]

Could you expand more on that please?

[trancada]

Do you have to pay the type rating ?

[trancada]

Also they operating to some companies :
MAGMA;
SAUDIA;
ASTRAL.

The pilots can be placed aleatory to any of these operations?

[Banana Joe]

Do you have to pay the type rating ?
Yes, they have 2 options.

Loan from Atlanta Flight Academy (AFA) - Price is $30k - $500 installment each month for 3 years, then the remaining $12k is written off – you will end up by paying $18k for the rating. If you leave within 3 years you need to pay the remainder of the $30k.
Price is $23k - an upfront payment of $15k is required. The remaining amount will be deducted monthly ($667 a month) from the monthly fee within a maximum of one year.


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Also they operating to some companies :MAGMA;SAUDIA;ASTRAL. The pilots can be placed aleatory to any of these operations?

I believe during your rotation you can fly on all the operations. They all fly out LGG, FRA and two of them also out of HHN.

[trancada]

Yes, they have 2 options.

Loan from Atlanta Flight Academy (AFA) - Price is $30k - $500 installment each month for 3 years, then the remaining $12k is written off – you will end up by paying $18k for the rating. If you leave within 3 years you need to pay the remainder of the $30k.
Price is $23k - an upfront payment of $15k is required. The remaining amount will be deducted monthly ($667 a month) from the monthly fee within a maximum of one year.


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I believe during your rotation you can fly on all the operations. They all fly out LGG, FRA and two of them also out of HHN.

In between sometimes stay in Saudi Arabia,

[Banana Joe]

The Haji season has always been a busy period for Air Atlanta and a nice opportunity for their pilots to make come extra money with overtime pay (it applies above 65 hrs in a 30 day period).

[perritopiloto]

Hi,
Any idea about the assessment? How are they planning to do it during the pandemic?

thanks

[SaulGoodman]

Bear in mind that in case they don’t need you, they will not use you and you don’t get paid as you are essentially a day worker. Something to think about before you fork out for a typerating. The next couple of years should see plenty of work though for the 747F

[main_dog]

Travel and accommodation to place of duty paid for by the company and the hotels are of good quality.


Ciao Banana, may I ask how that works? Do you mean they fly you out of a port of your choice at the beginning of your rotation, put you in a hotel prior to duty, and then fly you back at the end of your rotation?

Thanks.

[IFLYyouBREATH]

Hi,

Anyone has been called for interview in June?

[Solenoid]

Hi,

Anyone has been called for interview in June?

The question is, have you?

[Pilotfly-FL410]

At this moment I'm still waiting for Air Atlanta Icelandic to go over your details and test scores.
The assessment will take place the 7th,8th,9th,10th and 11th of June at EPST Utrecht the Netherlands.
Assessment will take you 1 full day.
The day will start with a short introduction of what you can expect.

• Technical Test (ATPL)
• Interview
• Simulator Assessment

Technical Test (ATPL)
This test will take half an hour. It consists of multiple choice questions. The question are ATPL.

Interview
The interview will be with Chief Pilot) and Director Crew Resources.
They will not make it difficult for you, but they just want to know you better. It’s like a conversation/chat.

Simulator Assessment
The Simulator Assessment will be done by:
Director Crew Training
They will check if you can fly by Raw data flying. This will be on a B737 NG Simulator.

As the assessment will be at EPST it will be a fixed based Simulator.


DID SOMEONE THE ATPL TEST WITH THE AGENT (Confair.....) ?

[Ziga93]

How long have you waited for their response?

[captain.weird]

So, some got official dates?

[Pilotfly-FL410]

I got a Online test from my agent Confair : 40-60min
https://assessment.aon.com/

Airborne take a other company !!! totally different
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1145x690/start_16bb13fe605d01d8fa97746cad3bec20ef408e2e.jpg
Overview

RMK : One of the ATC Audio file didn’t fit to the given answers .. make a Screen/Audio Recording for prove (recording program is included in WIN 10; Key : WIN+G) > send it to the AON support and publish your video :-)

There isn't any mark for pass or fail by AON.

tip : get 2 friends and solve them together! Teamwork :-)

INFO : EASA directive EDD 2018//012R (relating to CAT.GEN.MPA.175 Endangering Safety) > AOC’s must ensure that pilots have undergone a psychological assessment before they commence line flying !

[Pilotfly-FL410]

No… my agent was the costumer…

it is a specification from EASA !
all airlines have to do one for new hired’s


INFO : EASA directive EDD 2018//012R (relating to CAT.GEN.MPA.175 Endangering Safety) > AOC’s must ensure that pilots have undergone a psychological assessment before they commence line flying !

[IFLYyouBREATH]

No… my agent was the costumer…
whether it is a specification from AAI or the agents?, no idea…
​​​​​​PFO for me, even having all requirements.

[Rvsm290]

Do you have to pay for this tests ?
​​​​​​It's a free test.

[Pilotfly-FL410]

Anyone already in Utrecht ?
Any infos about ATPL question and SIM program ?

thanks for replay

[Rvsm290]

I'll be there by Friday. CRP for me.

[alekaraba]

Hi guys, on my way to AMS right now, I got some SIM info: Departing 36L AMS, raw data, no autothrottle, lots of CRM, VOR radials interception, ILS app, no eng fail or any other malfunction, wind 300/10. ATPL info anyone?

[737flapoperator]

I'll be there by Thursday. CRP for me.

I'll be there on Friday. Sent you a DM!

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Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls.

[Jonnyknoxville]

Hi all ,

would I be right in assuming that all you guys invited are 747 rated already ?

[Pilotfly-FL410]

Yes, 747 TR..

[Pilotfly-FL410]

Interview :
11 candidates every day ….
15 min for introduction of AAI and the SIM program
30 min ATPL Test, 16 questions only (with answers) -see below
15-20 min Interview (Introduce yourself, What do you know about AAI… no technical question)
40-50 min (each 20min) fix based 737-8 SIM :
- no tricks
- no air work
- TO follow SID Rendi 1Z, leaving PAM on R120 for 1min, left turn to intercept LOC27, landing > change seats.
- Wind 300/10, ceiling ~500ft
> you have enough time for preparation at the briefing room (Cockpit :”As briefed before”), checklist simple
> only fly and switch Radio +NAV +MCP
> we got all the same scenario on this day... other day other SID/STAR ???????
>>> get MS-FSimulator and train on the computer, it helps to get the time felling, when you switch the VOR+MCP.....

conclusion : really friendly environment, no pressure, ATPL question out of daily life, AAI guys are nice (a big compliment to the patience and friendliness > if you will fly there, they are really good colleges)
it is my first interview, which I rate with A+++; other companies should take this as example!!

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——————————————- Feedback from a other day ———————————-


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[The Dragon]

Hello Pilotfly-FL410, thanks for the great writeup, very helpful.

You mention the ATPL test questions, "ATPL question out of daily life" could you give an example?

Thanks.

[Pilotfly-FL410]

BUT NOTHING IS FOR FREE.... EVERYBODY ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING.... BUT THEY NEVER GIVE SOMETING BACK (PUPLISH NEW QUESTION OR/OR/OR ..)
I am sick of it ! I always spend hours and hours to write down, paint, screenshots, video record and so on... does one of you do the same after the interview ? or send me a update (that's the minimum !!!!)
I got only stupid comments (talk stupid and publish nothing)
Second : i always get some PM, but I'm unable to write back > “writers ...exceed available storage limits...“
> a FO should be able to handle his own postbox before he handle a big machinery !

Interview : only 16 multiple choice questions in 30min

Part AIRCRAFT GENERAL KNOWLEDGE
-When *****************

Part PERFORMANCE
-The stalling *****************
-Takeoff *****************
-To obtain *****************
-Fill in the words to correctly *****************

Part MASS AND BALANCE
-Find max *****************
-Dry Operation *****************

Part METROLOGY
-Fog and *****************
-What does *****************
-Tropopause *****************

Part LAW-REGULATION
-"As spec. Altitude *****************

—————— out of the memory:
A decrease in ****************
A descent with *****************

[744 NOMAD]

Thanks Pilotfly-FL410! Appreciated all your inputs on this.

Does anyone who has been to the AAI screening - any advice/input? I'm screening in August.
Does anyone have more ATLANTA ATPL questions?....
Input/advice appreciated.

Nomad

[Juanki]

Good morning. Is there anyone who is non rated B74 invited for the screening next 16-20 Aug???

[Skyscanner1975]

Good morning. Is there anyone who is non rated B74 invited for the screening next 16-20 Aug???

Yep …. just called

[Skyhigh123456]

What's your experience? For which position?

[Skyscanner1975]

Same I think I'm going to be on the 20th tho.
me either….
no type rated cpt

[Pilotfly-FL410]

Dear Colleagues,
i got the Info, that all the questions (Test) was the same as I published …

where are the feed backs ?
only Take and no Return !!

it is really sad, that everybody take my infos…. And doesn’t return anything for the next guys….

shame on you…

it this behavior a good way for CRM ?

for the groundcourse with AAI, I give only information to the guys who wrote me back (only 2)
for the others, have to fight with the daily tests and the CBT..

FO: good results in the CBT and groundcourse will rise the upgrade possibility for CPT !!!

[joblessPilot]

There is not much to write since you typed up all the info including the approach plate, which they changed. They probably going to change it again.

[OrangeAgent]

Can guarantee Air Atlanta don't give feedback on why you fail and they only hired pretty much all the type rated guy on the august interview, few non-rated FO (if I remember correctly), zero guys for the cruise relief pilot.

[744 NOMAD]

We appreciate your efforts Pilotfly-FL410! It helped me a lot.

Screening: Regarding the previously written up information I have some very important comments/additions:
1. The pre-screening "Psych/aptitude tests" provided by the 2 agencies are TOTALLY different!
2. SIM - B737 (NG) EGKK (LGW) ILS26 Dep WIZAD 4M 5000 feet to MAY for an Arrival from MAY - using INITIAL APPROACH ILS 26L. Hand flown using Raw Data VOR/ILS CDI. No use of FMC fixes etc.No "air work" i.e., steep turns, QDR/QDM no intercepts...

[gpsprimary01]

Hi Guys,

Anyone have been invited for the assessment in Jan 2022 for NTR 747 F/O ?

I’ve applied recently.

do you know approximately how many hours per month the pilots fly ?

thanks.

[RCD84]

Hi Guys,

Anyone have been invited for the assessment in Jan 2022 for NTR 747 F/O ?

I’ve applied recently.

do you know approximately how many hours per month the pilots fly ?

thanks.

Hi!! I have been invited for an assessment in January. Also for a NTR FO.

[dustyskies]

Anyone here got some info about the video interview questions?

[737 CL]

Hi, anybody have been invited as NTR Captain?

[gpsprimary01]

Hi!! I have been invited for an assessment in January. Also for a NTR FO.

i wish you all the best. Are you rated on Boeing or Airbus ?

im Airbus guy. I have no idea if they give preference to Boeing first.

[Fendrew]

Hi Guys! I have been invited in January for NTR FO interview. I was looking in internet some info about it. I found here some clues... I am just doing random ATPL questions and some sessions on B737 fixed base, I hope is enought.

[RCD84]

i wish you all the best. Are you rated on Boeing or Airbus ?

im Airbus guy. I have no idea if they give preference to Boeing first.
Thanks, same to you.

I am Boeing rated with previous Airbus experience.

[My Rifle and I]

Hi!! I have been invited for an assessment in January. Also for a NTR FO.

Hi RCD, it says that you are from the UK but the job needs an EU passport or the right to live and work in Europe.

Do you have these requirements?

[RCD84]

Hi RCD, it says that you are from the UK but the job needs an EU passport or the right to live and work in Europe.

Do you have these requirements?
Hi!! Yes, I prepared myself for Brexit beforehand :)

[P40Warhawk]

Part MASS AND BALANCE
-Find max allowed Payload :
DOW 13659kg, MTOW 20820kg, MLW 18600kg, TF 500kg, TOF 1500kg (6450kg, 4950kg, 5080kg, 5670kg) ?

I do not get anywhere near the answers above. MTOW PL 5661, MLW 3941.

Who can help me out here?

[FlightDetent]

Try

13650 DOW
19600 MTOW.

Stolen from a poor copy once? 9 for 0 is easy to imagine, 8 from 9 not much harder.

[P40Warhawk]

Thank you ;)

[FlightDetent]

I like to call this the HF, both the problem and solution.

Not really relevant to this thread, just placing an anchor for reference from the numerous remote-piloted / fully automated / single-pilot threads.

Wish you success!

[mark_one]

Hi guys/gals, anyone care to share some feedback on this weeks assessment round (jan 2022)? Any changes as to what was described above, IV, ATPL Q's, Sim profile same? Goodluck to all attending this week. TIA

[Walkn]

Hey Guys,

I hope you’re all doing well :)
I’ve been invited for an Assessment next week; NTR FO. Anyone in the same case here?

Happy landings!

[StickBaker]

Hey Guys,

I hope you’re all doing well :)
I’ve been invited for an Assessment next week; NTR FO. Anyone in the same case here?

Happy landings!
Applied but seems like didn't make it. Also too young of an account here to even send & receive private messages. Uhh what luck

[Avdm159]

Hi Guys! I have been invited in January for NTR FO interview. I was looking in internet some info about it. I found here some clues... I am just doing random ATPL questions and some sessions on B737 fixed base, I hope is enought.

Did you go in the end? How was it? I’m going in May and looking for recent info please.

[Jj_]

Did you go in the end? How was it? I’m going in May and looking for recent info please.

Hi, did you apply for a cruise relief position?
I applied too but unfortunately haven’t heard anything back (yet?)

kind regards

[A320LGW]

Hi RCD, it says that you are from the UK but the job needs an EU passport or the right to live and work in Europe.

Do you have these requirements?

Is this still the case? I understand there are many British passport holders within AAI?

[pierromx]

Hello,

Anybody has been called for the assessment of May 2022 ? ( NTR Cruise relief)

Thanks :)

[Floriansxm]

Yeah, i was called as well.I'm in for the 17th of May. How do you prepare?

[pierromx]

I am trying to contact you but your inbox is full

[Timothy Lavrentiev]

Yes, i was called also for the 17th of May.

[737jocky]

Be careful which agency you select for this position.

A colleague used ABP. He completed and passed the assessment, however the contract given to him was offered at a lower rate than advertised on the website and correspondence.

When he queried it no answer given except “that’s what the client offered”

Nowhere on the application does it say there is the possibility of a sliding scale pay job offer.

AAI have lost a top guy over this and you should be made aware API is facilitating this. Not sure if the other agency which recruits for them are doing the same.

[enzino]

And if you take this job offer make sure you have at least 6 months of emergency fund on the side to live, because those that had their contract start in March went through OCC ground school and are now sitting at home on unpaid leave at least until July, waiting for the type rating to start. Of course, accommodation was not provided.

Many pilots are also leaving.

[delpolo]

did you find the answer? I still not sure between 3950 / 5670? thank you

[konstantinosfl]

HI to all ! i hope all you doing well!!! i am preparing my self for Air Atlanta interview at 19th of August anyone knows about the ATPL questions where could i found them and any other information ?

[Posterviolet]

Here’s the deal,

Since many people have asked me for info I decided to give a lowdown of what this company’s about. I’ll divide it in to several sections, let’s go.

Company:


AAI is a ACMI and CMI operator that does lots of work for several freight forwarders and airlines like Saudi and/or Magma. In these times mostly cargo flying 747-400f and -bcf’s and since june Hajj flts in and out of Saudi Arabia.
you will NOT be employed by AAI. You will just be a contractor that provides your services to AAI, nothing more and nothing less.
AAI will provide you with a company ipad, uniform AAI id and access to their intranet. That is the only connection there is between you and AAI.
Your taxes, insurances, pension should be handled by yourself, AAI has nothing to do with this.
It sounds a little tough but the rules of the game are quite clear, you’re not employed by them unlike the Icelandic crewmembers that do have a proper collective bargaining agreement and have a fixed salary and a very very very nice daily allowance(3 times yours :-) ). But hey it’s their airline.
Payment is per day of work. When you’re not rostered you don’t get paid. If you’re sick at home, you do NOT get paid, you go on vacation you do NOT get paid. Remember AAI does not see you as its employee nor its responsibility so you’re on your own on that one.

Rostering:


AAI prefers long rotations. So most people do 3-4 weeks on and 2 weeks off but there r also many that do more weeks of work and less at home. Remember, the only way to earn money is by working. There seems to be a new contract out there doing 21/14 and 24/12.
In the summer period you have to be available 75% of the time, this one is due to the hajj in Saudi Arabia. Which basically means the whole of june and july, maybe a couple of days off but they preferably want you to be fully available during that time.
I repeat, you are not an employee of AAI and they decide if they want you to work or not. So for instance it just happens often that during a rotation they don’t have flights for you so they’ll just send you home and you’ll obviously lose pay. Not their responsibility you’re not their employee, you just fly whenever they need you.
Via the company site you can request the days you’re available for work and they’ll decide how or if they can assign you any work during your available days.
You can be rostered from anywhere and end up anywhere there are no restrictions on where to go. LGG and FRA are used as bases in Europe at this time, most flights start and end from there.
Expect to work very long hours and going in to discretion is what they expect from you, needless to say it’s your decision at the end.
They will go the extra mile to avoid you from achieving overtime, it’s rosterings number 1 priority, so don’t be surprised when flights are removed, it’s not personal but simple business.

Operation:


This is a ACMI operation for several companies and AAI flies to anywhere it needs to go.
Training is of an average standard, I’ve seen better and/or much better training but hey this works. Company has a sim in lhr that’s quite old but it does the job.
Flt procedures are quite outdated, not much thought has been put in the why’s and how’s but it’s more of a “these are the procedures we’ve got and these we shall use” kind of mentality. Remember AAI is not a Lufthansa /BA / United that pour unlimited funds in training. It’s a small operator.
There is no way to sugarcoat this one but the aircraft are extremely old. Average age of the machines is about 24 years. So expect loads of snags all the time, the aircraft run continuously so barely any time to fix snags on the aircraft.
The maintenance is ok, remember, this is not Lufthansa technik or KLM maintenance.
Flying is super fun, you get to go to so many destinations. It’s really nice if you’re in to plain flying.
Coworkers are great, very relaxed pilot body, contractors and Icelanders both. No pretentious nonsense, everyone wants to get the job done.

Current affairs july 2022


The hajj and umrah passenger flts have started and they’re flying from JED base to Indonesia and several cities in North Africa taking people back and forth to Jed.
Some extra freighters are expected but also many other machines off to c-checks so no massive net increase of a/c.
F/o recruitments are now primarily for the holding pool, course dates are sporadically announced.
At this time there are enough F/o’s so chances are that after the hajj people will get limited flying up untill the october/november freighter push. .
They need more commanders and prefer recruiting non type rated guys, not many type rated 747 jockeys out there anymore.
No internal promotions to captaincy or F/o this year, hiring non type rated guys on new contracts is the way to go.

All in all a fun and simple company. Absolutely not a career airline but a great place to gain loads of experience for the future. I obviously keep repeating that you won’t be employed by AAI because they’ll sure show you that when you’re here,lol.

Remember it’s not personal, but pure business.

Good Luck to all of you.

[dpgjvz]

Here’s the deal,

Since many people have asked me for info I decided to give a lowdown of what this company’s about. I’ll divide it in to several sections, let’s go.

Company:

AAI is a ACMI and CMI operator that does lots of work for several freight forwarders and airlines like Saudi and/or Magma. In these times mostly cargo flying 747-400f and -bcf’s and since june Hajj flts in and out of Saudi Arabia.
you will NOT be employed by AAI. You will just be a contractor that provides your services to AAI, nothing more and nothing less.
AAI will provide you with a company ipad, uniform AAI id and access to their intranet. That is the only connection there is between you and AAI.
Your taxes, insurances, pension should be handled by yourself, AAI has nothing to do with this.
It sounds a little tough but the rules of the game are quite clear, you’re not employed by them unlike the Icelandic crewmembers that do have a proper collective bargaining agreement and have a fixed salary and a very very very nice daily allowance(3 times yours :-) ). But hey it’s their airline.
Payment is per day of work. When you’re not rostered you don’t get paid. If you’re sick at home, you do NOT get paid, you go on vacation you do NOT get paid. Remember AAI does not see you as its employee nor its responsibility so you’re on your own on that one.

Rostering:

AAI prefers long rotations. So most people do 3-4 weeks on and 2 weeks off but there r also many that do more weeks of work and less at home. Remember, the only way to earn money is by working. There seems to be a new contract out there doing 21/14 and 24/12.
In the summer period you have to be available 75% of the time, this one is due to the hajj in Saudi Arabia. Which basically means the whole of june and july, maybe a couple of days off but they preferably want you to be fully available during that time.
I repeat, you are not an employee of AAI and they decide if they want you to work or not. So for instance it just happens often that during a rotation they don’t have flights for you so they’ll just send you home and you’ll obviously lose pay. Not their responsibility you’re not their employee, you just fly whenever they need you.
Via the company site you can request the days you’re available for work and they’ll decide how or if they can assign you any work during your available days.
You can be rostered from anywhere and end up anywhere there are no restrictions on where to go. LGG and FRA are used as bases in Europe at this time, most flights start and end from there.
Expect to work very long hours and going in to discretion is what they expect from you, needless to say it’s your decision at the end.
They will go the extra mile to avoid you from achieving overtime, it’s rosterings number 1 priority, so don’t be surprised when flights are removed, it’s not personal but simple business.

Operation:

This is a ACMI operation for several companies and AAI flies to anywhere it needs to go.
Training is of an average standard, I’ve seen better and/or much better training but hey this works. Company has a sim in lhr that’s quite old but it does the job.
Flt procedures are quite outdated, not much thought has been put in the why’s and how’s but it’s more of a “these are the procedures we’ve got and these we shall use” kind of mentality. Remember AAI is not a Lufthansa /BA / United that pour unlimited funds in training. It’s a small operator.
There is no way to sugarcoat this one but the aircraft are extremely old. Average age of the machines is about 24 years. So expect loads of snags all the time, the aircraft run continuously so barely any time to fix snags on the aircraft.
The maintenance is ok, remember, this is not Lufthansa technik or KLM maintenance.
Flying is super fun, you get to go to so many destinations. It’s really nice if you’re in to plain flying.
Coworkers are great, very relaxed pilot body, contractors and Icelanders both. No pretentious nonsense, everyone wants to get the job done.

Current affairs july 2022

The hajj and umrah passenger flts have started and they’re flying from JED base to Indonesia and several cities in North Africa taking people back and forth to Jed.
Some extra freighters are expected but also many other machines off to c-checks so no massive net increase of a/c.
F/o recruitments are now primarily for the holding pool, course dates are sporadically announced.
At this time there are enough F/o’s so chances are that after the hajj people will get limited flying up untill the october/november freighter push. .
They need more commanders and prefer recruiting non type rated guys, not many type rated 747 jockeys out there anymore.
No internal promotions to captaincy or F/o this year, hiring non type rated guys on new contracts is the way to go.

All in all a fun and simple company. Absolutely not a career airline but a great place to gain loads of experience for the future. I obviously keep repeating that you won’t be employed by AAI because they’ll sure show you that when you’re here,lol.

Remember it’s not personal, but pure business.

Good Luck to all of you.



Thank you so much for your help!

[zhuck321]

At least 2 type rated guys were denied after assessment on July 18th

[delpolo]

Fo or Captain? And reason why this didn’t pass? I heard many will pass

[delpolo]

I don’t know why it says my inbox is full, have 0 messages

[zhuck321]

Fo or Captain? And reason why this didn’t pass? I heard many will pass

FO and CAP/TRI. They don't tell any reason, just "sorry you didn't pass"

[Quacks_Koeln]

Here’s the deal,

Since many people have asked me for info I decided to give a lowdown of what this company’s about. I’ll divide it in to several sections, let’s go.

Company:

AAI is a ACMI and CMI operator that does lots of work for several freight forwarders and airlines like Saudi and/or Magma. In these times mostly cargo flying 747-400f and -bcf’s and since june Hajj flts in and out of Saudi Arabia.
you will NOT be employed by AAI. You will just be a contractor that provides your services to AAI, nothing more and nothing less.
AAI will provide you with a company ipad, uniform AAI id and access to their intranet. That is the only connection there is between you and AAI.
Your taxes, insurances, pension should be handled by yourself, AAI has nothing to do with this.
It sounds a little tough but the rules of the game are quite clear, you’re not employed by them unlike the Icelandic crewmembers that do have a proper collective bargaining agreement and have a fixed salary and a very very very nice daily allowance(3 times yours :-) ). But hey it’s their airline.
Payment is per day of work. When you’re not rostered you don’t get paid. If you’re sick at home, you do NOT get paid, you go on vacation you do NOT get paid. Remember AAI does not see you as its employee nor its responsibility so you’re on your own on that one.

Rostering:

AAI prefers long rotations. So most people do 3-4 weeks on and 2 weeks off but there r also many that do more weeks of work and less at home. Remember, the only way to earn money is by working. There seems to be a new contract out there doing 21/14 and 24/12.
In the summer period you have to be available 75% of the time, this one is due to the hajj in Saudi Arabia. Which basically means the whole of june and july, maybe a couple of days off but they preferably want you to be fully available during that time.
I repeat, you are not an employee of AAI and they decide if they want you to work or not. So for instance it just happens often that during a rotation they don’t have flights for you so they’ll just send you home and you’ll obviously lose pay. Not their responsibility you’re not their employee, you just fly whenever they need you.
Via the company site you can request the days you’re available for work and they’ll decide how or if they can assign you any work during your available days.
You can be rostered from anywhere and end up anywhere there are no restrictions on where to go. LGG and FRA are used as bases in Europe at this time, most flights start and end from there.
Expect to work very long hours and going in to discretion is what they expect from you, needless to say it’s your decision at the end.
They will go the extra mile to avoid you from achieving overtime, it’s rosterings number 1 priority, so don’t be surprised when flights are removed, it’s not personal but simple business.

Operation:

This is a ACMI operation for several companies and AAI flies to anywhere it needs to go.
Training is of an average standard, I’ve seen better and/or much better training but hey this works. Company has a sim in lhr that’s quite old but it does the job.
Flt procedures are quite outdated, not much thought has been put in the why’s and how’s but it’s more of a “these are the procedures we’ve got and these we shall use” kind of mentality. Remember AAI is not a Lufthansa /BA / United that pour unlimited funds in training. It’s a small operator.
There is no way to sugarcoat this one but the aircraft are extremely old. Average age of the machines is about 24 years. So expect loads of snags all the time, the aircraft run continuously so barely any time to fix snags on the aircraft.
The maintenance is ok, remember, this is not Lufthansa technik or KLM maintenance.
Flying is super fun, you get to go to so many destinations. It’s really nice if you’re in to plain flying.
Coworkers are great, very relaxed pilot body, contractors and Icelanders both. No pretentious nonsense, everyone wants to get the job done.

Current affairs july 2022

The hajj and umrah passenger flts have started and they’re flying from JED base to Indonesia and several cities in North Africa taking people back and forth to Jed.
Some extra freighters are expected but also many other machines off to c-checks so no massive net increase of a/c.
F/o recruitments are now primarily for the holding pool, course dates are sporadically announced.
At this time there are enough F/o’s so chances are that after the hajj people will get limited flying up untill the october/november freighter push. .
They need more commanders and prefer recruiting non type rated guys, not many type rated 747 jockeys out there anymore.
No internal promotions to captaincy or F/o this year, hiring non type rated guys on new contracts is the way to go.

All in all a fun and simple company. Absolutely not a career airline but a great place to gain loads of experience for the future. I obviously keep repeating that you won’t be employed by AAI because they’ll sure show you that when you’re here,lol.

Remember it’s not personal, but pure business.

Good Luck to all of you.

How on earth can anyone even consider accepting such a job? If you have family and commitments you need a reliable job and income. Also working as a second class employee is beyond believe.

[zhuck321]

Fo or Captain? And reason why this didn’t pass? I heard many will pass

Update. Dont wanna uncover the source but all Russians were denied. Nothing personal

[montema]

So basically, if they tell you to go 21 days somewhere... and you don't work because there's no flights or for any reason they find.... you sit your ass in a hotel room at don't get paid that day?
It's insane if that's the case.

[Altyre]

Hello all

Just did my selection in Utrecht earlier this week. 10 candidates, only one was already rated on the 747. Most of us seemed pretty experienced, 737, 777, 787 captains. First a short presentation about AAI from the chief pilot, they had already worked out the order of the interviews and the pairs for the sim check. Then 30 mn for the ATPL exam, which was somewhat different from the questions I had seen.
23 questions, here are the ones I can remember:

How is altitude read in an aircraft? Pressure altitude, density altitude?

Definition of climb gradient

What is worse for stalling conditions? Light mass fwd CG, heavy mass rearward CG,…?

What are flaps that extend a rearward from the trailing edge? Krueger, zap flap, split flap?

When do outboard ailerons lock? Gear up, gear extended, high speed, low speed?

What is window heat used for? Anti-icing, birdstrike, defog?

Definitions of magnetic variation, deviation.

At a constant TAS, load factor depends on? Bank angle, weight and turn radius, TAS and turn radius?

Optimum descent point in a headwind, TAS must: be reduced, increased, remain constant?

TODA =? TORA+ clearway ?

Engine surge indications? EGT increases, N1 increases EGT decreases, N2 increases EGT decreases?

Which part of the engine controls the temperature? Turbine, combustion chamber, exhaust?

What is the shortest distance between two points on the globe? Rumbline, half a great circle, a great circle?

Effects of flaps 20 on takeoff? Increases stall speed, increases required elevator trim?

What is the movement around the lateral axis? Pitch, yaw, roll?

What is VLO

Then you're called in one by one for an interview with the chief pilot and an HR lady. Very pleasant, just an informal chat about yourself, more details about what will be expected of you, then you can ask any questions you might have.

Finally the sim ride, 30mn for each pilot, very straight forward exercise: Take off from 36L in AMS, Rendy1Z SID, then fly heading 120 after passing PAM for 1 minute and left turn to intercept ILS27. Land, that's it. No failures, raw data in a 737 EFIS fixed simulator. I think they mostly want to see your CRM, crew coordination.

We started at 9, I was done by 2pm. Heard I got the job the next morning.

Good luck to all of you. They are expanding fast, I was told they had 13 Jumbos, they are at 17 now, so they do need pilots!

[Pilotfly-FL410]

Thanks Alyre (above ) and lekijiji (below)

after one year and many interviews from AAI
(this week, 30 candidates been invited)
only two (2) wrote a proper feedback !!

difference to my one :
Question numbers rised from 16 to 23 (20)
SIM : the same program (! Rendy1Z, is out of date, it is replaced by RNAV Rendy2Z by 13 MAY 22.. so use my old one !)

and I got my information of passing/failing 4 weeks later.

[lekijiji]

Did my interview recently.
I confirm all the infos read on this thread. ATPL questions are spot on.

ATPL questions I had 20:

- When a compressor surge occurs ? (EGT increases rapidly)

- Takeoff distance available is (The length of the take-off run available plus the length of clearway available

- To obtain the optimum descend distance, the TAS must ( increase in headwind ) ?

- Tropopause is lower ? (Over the N-Pole than over Equator) over the North Pole than over the equator

- A decrease in density….Gives a longer T/O roll and a smaller rate of climb

- A descent with a constant mach number…..Increases the TAS

- How is altitude read in an aircraft? Pressure altitude, density altitude ?

- Definition of climb gradient: The increase of altitude to horizontal air distance expressed as a percentage

- What is worse for stalling conditions? Light mass fwd CG, heavy mass rearward CG,…?

- What are flaps that extend a rearward from the trailing edge? Krueger, zap flap, split flap?

- When do outboard ailerons lock? Gear up, gear extended, high speed, low speed? HIGH SPEED

- What is window heat used for? Anti-icing and birdstrike

- Definitions of magnetic variation, deviation.

- At a constant TAS, load factor depends on? Bank angle, weight and turn radius, TAS and turn radius?

- Optimum descent point in a headwind, TAS must: be reduced, increased, remain constant? INCREASED

- Which part of the engine controls the temperature? Turbine, combustion chamber, exhaust? TURBINE

- What is the shortest distance between two points on the globe? A GREAT CIRCLE

- Effects of flaps 20 on takeoff? Increases stall speed, increases required elevator trim?

- What is the movement around the lateral axis? Pitch, yaw, roll? PITCH

- What is VLO: Speed at which the landing gear can be operated with full safety.

Sim out of AMS as already precisely described by Pilotfly
Very pleasant and relaxed atmosphere.
Good luck to you all

[delpolo]

Did U pass?

[trustinthrust]

Can confirm the structure of the assessment. Held at EPST in Utrecht. Straight forward and very friendly atmosphere. We were 10 people, mostly Boeing (737/747/777/787) experience but a few other a/c types as well. Approx 50/50 split FO/CPT among the people. Received feedback from the assessment the following afternoon.

[Sharklet]

Does anyone know if they are likely to have further assessments in the future?

[Altyre]

I know they'll do a few next week or the one after in England.

[knobv]

Can anyone advice on what the pay is like?
Are people currently being hired getting the 21/14 roster?

[Altyre]

I am on 21/14. The pay structure depends on various criteria, like your experience, type rate or not, etc...

[SCOVILLE]

Late to the party but I figured I would throw my hat into the ring. A few questions though.

What is worse for stalling conditions? Light mass fwd CG, heavy mass rearward CG,…? This would depend on if it is a high or low winged aircraft?
Also I am not understanding some of the answers given above.
- At a constant TAS, load factor depends on?

Also wondering for those of you that have been through this assessment. The tunnel flying "game" what was that? Are you just moving vertically or? Trying to read up on it but can't find a single thing about it. Also, great write up from all, this is golden stuff!

/Scoville

[knobv]

Has anyone been to an assessment lately? Are they still actively hiring non-type rated?
How long does it generally take for them to get into contact after the application?

Thanks!

[SkyHawk6E]

- does anybody know how many hours you approximately fly per month/year?
- how is current basing for people joining Air Atlanta? is it still Jeddah based?

cheers!

[enzino]

At the moment they have a surplus of pilots and some of them are left sitting at home with no income.

[SkyHawk6E]

At the moment they have a surplus of pilots and some of them are left sitting at home with no income.

they are still hiring new pilots, what is your source for this?

[enzino]

A friend that has worked for them for a few years now. He is sitting at home and seriously considering to make a move.
There seems to be some issues with a contract and they are not operating flights they had planned for with the recent recruitment drives.

[Zsoszu]

A true and ongoing story about Air Atlanta!

I am a Capt B747, B737 TRI TTL 15k+ hours
I was on the selection in July 2022. Friendly and quick interview in Utrecht, and I was in the OCC course on the 15th of August. I passed all exams and enrolled on the sim in early September. Good sim, excellent results, and the day of the OPC came. I got my ticket previously to JED for the line training. All of my collages got the ID card but me. I called the chief pilot's office to clarify it, and I got a positive response that they would follow it up until my trng, and AAI would post it to me. Ok.
I was about to go to the OPC, and the taxi was waiting downstairs when I got a phone call from the HR office in Iceland. She introduced herself as an HR project assistant and wondered if I had a doctor's prescribed painkiller around the time of the drug test in August. ( AAI prescribed a drug test from the hair, which I have done a few times in my life, and no panic for me).
I said NO. HR Lady asked me if I was sure about it, and when I responded, sure, but why are they asking it, She said she had to fill out a form for my ID card request. Strange though, but I confirmed once more, no painkiller, just a few pills for the pain in my shoulder. We finished our conversation, and I went and passed the OPC.

After returning to my Hotel, I got a mail that my line training was cancelled due to a shortage of LTC in JED. I have called the Crew control about it, and they said it is just a matter of logistic reasons, no panic, I go home to my home, and in a few days, I will be rescheduled for the training. Very strange, though, so I tried to call the DFO about it. No response, nor from the planning. Just bull****ing. I asked if there was any issue with the ID card, but again no response.

I came home and opened my mail the next morning, and I was shocked by the following correspondence:
Dear Mr XXX
We have been advised by our client Air Atlanta Icelandic that unfortunately they are no longer in a position to offer you any further contract work. Therefore, we regret to inform you that your contract will be terminated in accordance with the Terms & Conditions with immediate effect.
If you have any outstanding fee claims or expenses, please report them in the usual manner.
Due to increased aviation security and in keeping with the contract we would ask you to kindly return your ID, uniforms, iPads (if they have been provided), and any other company property you may have in your possession to the client.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any queries regarding contractual issues or if we can be of any assistance to you.

I immediately called ABP, but AAI did not inform them about the valid reason in the first place. ABP asked me what I did. I said nothing, but I need a proper reason to terminate the signed fixed-term contract. I told them to clarify it. After a long discussion with ABP learned "not official source" that I had failed the drug test, and they fired me. But they did not provide any evidence to ABP due to GDPR. I called my doctor immediately, and I got verification that in April (!) , I got a medicine which may contain opiates. That might be the valid reason for the possible result. I forgot this, in September, that I got something in April.
In reality, HR called me, but they did not mention if it was about the drug test or if I risked my job, and because my answer was NO, they treated the result they had as a DRUG, they sent me home, and called ABP to fire me.
From that point on, AAI cut all communication and email access. I got the number only of the DFO, who does not respond to normal and kind emails. No ABP nor AAI is not interested in the doctor's verification, and I didn't get the labour result of the test to see what they found and to compare it with the medicine I got.
In case of any discipline issue, AAI calls ABP if somebody is about to terminate (usually, if the person does anything or violates the regulation and does not want to return), and ABP executes their order. But in my case, they try or tried to terminate me without a valid written reason. Drug consumption is a serious accusation; it must be proved. But AAI does not send any data to me. The labour result what they keep is my data. AAI or ABP need to clear my status to avoid any negative references, but if they would do this, they should take me back, because the proof is in my hand. Catch 22.
It is true, If I read the lines properly, legal and contract-wise, ABP is my contact, and AAI is responsible for professional matters only. But the problem is, they keep my DATA, which is the key to the whole story.
But this is embarrassing, shocking and unfair. I have never had any drug in my life. We all know what we risk with that.

[FlyHigher]

Apparently Air Atlanta is heavily or desperately recruiting for B777. Any idea what operation it will be as there is very little or none information about it online.

[Posterviolet]

That is correct FH, Air Atlanta is a ACMI operator in Europe that has Saudia as their client for over 30 years now. In the past they used to do regular scheduled flts but now it´s only Hajj and Umrah. They used to do it on the 747 but Saudia demanded newer a/c and so they’ve finally introduced the 777-300ER.

Base is Jeddah(they’ll fly u there at the start of your roster) and I guess they’ll be offering schedules like 21 on and 14 off or 24 on and 12 off. Don’t know much about the pay though. But please do remember all contracts are zero hours, so no work no pay, vacation no pay, sick no pay. Very straight forward agreement, you are not an employee, you are a contractor.

Currently they have too many pilots on the 747, they’re hoping more pilots leave in the coming months and are obviously hoping to recruit more 777 drivers. It is a company different from all others, so things are done in reverse here compared to the regular carriers. Good Luck.

[FlyHigher]

Thank you for your inputs Posterviolet.
Also the contracts advertised are 12 months renewable. It doesn't seems bo be a medium to long term career option.

[Posterviolet]

Yes, initially it’s a 12 month contract and renewable every year. It seems like this will be the future at AAI, 777. I think by the end of the year they’ll start another hiring drive because the hope is to have 2 more by february 2024. At AAI they prefer hiring than converting pilots from the other fleet so lots of opportunities for new hires. I don’t have any info on the pay but they are paid better than the 747 jockeys, I suspect the 747 to be totally retired in about 5-7 years .

[BalloonBuster]

It is not even a short term option.
Once the Hajj is over the jets will be parked and you will be at home on zero pay…

[FlyHigher]

Well, in fact B777 being a pax only fleet at the moment, the chances of staying at home on zero pay for a considerable amount of time might be a bit high.
Better to wait and see for now...

[cheickyour6]

Salary is a problem as well, tons of mistakes every months ….

[Out of Duty]

Does Air Atlanta still have a system where you only get paid for days at work and no pay when at home?

If that's the case, are there times were crew sit idle at home for months at a time?

[HeadUpTheTailpipe]

Apparently they offer two options via the two contracting agencies - either 'worldwide', where you tell them when you want to work, and they either use you or not. Or fixed roster (21 on/14 off, or 24 on/12 off), which is fixed for the next 12 months. In the latter case you know how much you're going to get paid even if you're sat in the hotel not being used. In either case, the pay is about 500 usd per day 'on base', which is probably the lowest paid 747 captain salary in the market. Around 8000 usd per month. Other players pay up to double that, with benefits.

[sf34driver]

Dear Colleagues! Anyone here got invited for AAI NTR FO for 747 interview lately? I'm trying to gather some information regarding the company and the interview. Happy landings!

[Skyview05]

Hey guys!
Does anyone have any information on what the pay would be like and how many hours pilots are flying on average? Thanks a lot.

[ClaudioSanto]

Dear Colleagues! Anyone here got invited for AAI NTR FO for 747 interview lately? I'm trying to gather some information regarding the company and the interview. Happy landings!
i got invited for tomorrow in Amsterdam

[pedromari]

i got invited for tomorrow in Amsterdam
Hello, how did your assessment go? I'm particularly interested in the company and working conditions. I've been invited for next month, but I don't know much about the company, and I have doubts about whether it's the best fit for me. Do you have any information about working conditions, etc.? I'm interested in recent insights. Thank you.

[sf34driver]

Hey Pedromari,

I recently had an assessment with Air Atlanta for NTR747 FO position. Therefore I can give you a quick feedback.

It was 6 of us out of which 4 were super experienced 50+ guys working at legacy airlines for the past 30-35 years at least. Very pleasant atmosphere, all starting with a quick company review. They are looking for 70 new pilots at the moment, and moving all 747 out of passenger operation and use them purely for cargo. Next 23 ATPL questions, very basic ones, we had 30 minutes to complete. Followed by SIM on a FNPT 737 NG. Session was 30 min PF and 30 min PM. They are looking for good CRM other than flying skills. Task was to fly out raw data SID from MUC, chasing some radials, ILS approach, no failure, no GA. And finally personal interview, which is a friendly chat about you and the company. Results will received same day.

Two contracts available. Fix roaster which is not usually offered immediately: 3 ON 2 OFF, and WW (worldwide) which is basically you tell them when you're available and they decide if they use you or not. No base salary, you only get paid when you're at base, being positioned to base and from base, and when on duty. No fix base basically but they operate many flights from Jeddah. You will be staying in 4-5 star hotels, and get per diems of 75USD/day on top of daily rate which is depending on your experience which is around 300 USD below 5000 hrs for FO.

Some pages earlier you will find a quite detailed explanation about the company and their operation.

Good luck!

[pedromari]

Hey Pedromari,

I recently had an assessment with Air Atlanta for NTR747 FO position. Therefore I can give you a quick feedback.

It was 6 of us out of which 4 were super experienced 50+ guys working at legacy airlines for the past 30-35 years at least. Very pleasant atmosphere, all starting with a quick company review. They are looking for 70 new pilots at the moment, and moving all 747 out of passenger operation and use them purely for cargo. Next 23 ATPL questions, very basic ones, we had 30 minutes to complete. Followed by SIM on a FNPT 737 NG. Session was 30 min PF and 30 min PM. They are looking for good CRM other than flying skills. Task was to fly out raw data SID from MUC, chasing some radials, ILS approach, no failure, no GA. And finally personal interview, which is a friendly chat about you and the company. Results will received same day.

Two contracts available. Fix roaster which is not usually offered immediately: 3 ON 2 OFF, and WW (worldwide) which is basically you tell them when you're available and they decide if they use you or not. No base salary, you only get paid when you're at base, being positioned to base and from base, and when on duty. No fix base basically but they operate many flights from Jeddah. You will be staying in 4-5 star hotels, and get per diems of 75USD/day on top of daily rate which is depending on your experience which is around 300 USD below 5000 hrs for FO.

Some pages earlier you will find a quite detailed explanation about the company and their operation.

Good luck!Thank you for the feedback; I appreciate it a lot. The information you provided is very interesting. I'm surprised that there are people over 50 years old transitioning from legacy to a cargo role as freelancers. It's remarkable. Very good and useful information about the assessment as well, thank you very much.

However, I am still contemplating whether I should attend or not. The idea of not having a minimum guaranteed monthly salary doesn't convince me. If you are on the 3/2 roster, do you also not have it, or is it only for the worldwide option? In my case, being a profile with less than 5000 hours, I would fall into the rates you describe. Then, we'll have to see how much is left after taxes. They also don't provide an average number of days you might be operating normally, do they?

Another thing that doesn't convince me is the type rating bond. According to the information they sent me, it's 18k with the bond, and without it, it's 23k. But I asked an independent company for the type rating cost, and they told me it's 18k, so it seems like they want to charge you an extra 5k or bind you for several years.

How did it go for you? Did you pass the assessment? Or what do you think of the conditions?

[sf34driver]

Some guys were applied to 777 fleet, while others were looking for a job which gives them the freedom to choose when they work, therefore for them WW contract seemed to be a blessing after flying for decades.

My understanding is that nothing is really guaranteed. In case of 3/2 contract you only get paid the days you work and when you're being positioned. Of course operational needs can overwrite everything. But If anybody out here reading this working for AAI please confirm.

Regarding the bond 500 USD deducted from fees each month and 12K is forgiven if you remain with company for 3 years. Although contract is to be renewed yearly. So basically it is 18K as you said. Other option is deposit upfront of 15K and remaining 8K to be paid over 12 month. Adding up a total of 23K for the TR.

I would suggest to try reaching out for pilots working there to make your decision easier. I believe there are pilots out there for whom this job is a perfect match, and a great opportunity to gain heavy hours and long haul operational experience. Unfortunately they decided to proceed with other candidate(s).

[Fly4Fun]

Is AAI getting more B777?
Recruitment still going on for B777.
Now they mention a fixed payment after OCC completed. Is that meaning you're getting a minimum fixed pay every month regardless if you work or not?

[Layla747]

BUT NOTHING IS FOR FREE.... EVERYBODY ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING.... BUT THEY NEVER GIVE SOMETING BACK (PUPLISH NEW QUESTION OR/OR/OR ..)
I am sick of it ! I always spend hours and hours to write down, paint, screenshots, video record and so on... does one of you do the same after the interview ? or send me a update (that's the minimum !!!!)
I got only stupid comments (talk stupid and publish nothing)
Second : i always get some PM, but I'm unable to write back > “writers ...exceed available storage limits...“
> a FO should be able to handle his own postbox before he handle a big machinery !

Interview : only 16 multiple choice questions in 30min

Part AIRCRAFT GENERAL KNOWLEDGE
-When *****************

Part PERFORMANCE
-The stalling *****************
-Takeoff *****************
-To obtain *****************
-Fill in the words to correctly *****************

Part MASS AND BALANCE
-Find max *****************
-Dry Operation *****************

Part METROLOGY
-Fog and *****************
-What does *****************
-Tropopause *****************

Part LAW-REGULATION
-"As spec. Altitude *****************

—————— out of the memory:
A decrease in ****************
A descent with *****************

Im sorry people haven’t been as thoughtful as you, sharing from the assessment. As I am unable to message you is there any way you would share those questions again?

[da42driver]

Hello!
Just an update regarding the selection process. I did the assessment this month.
1st - quick introduction from chief pilot and then ATPL test (23 questions, 20 ATPL+3 simple maths questions)
2nd - non-technical interview with chief pilot and HR person
3rd - sim session (B737NG fixed) out of MUC, no SID, just turn to hdg xxx, intercept radial yyy to VOR, exit on radial zzz and then ILS approach. No automation whatsoever, all manual flying, raw data.

Regarding the ATPL questions, they apparently vary wildly from assessment to assessment. I didn't get any of the ones mentioned here, but they are all day-to-day operational questions, nothing much.

Good luck everyone!

[negativeclimb]

I confirm what da42driver had; I did the same as written here above. Nice environment and smooth interview.

[triplese7en]

For anyone who has been offered a contract with AAI recently, what daily rate have they offered you?

[da42driver]

I'm guessing no one will want to publicly talk about what their offer was... :)
The information I got from the broker was a range from 350 to 375 USD for FOs, and 465-515 for CPTs.
All the best!

[olster]

I have to say I am absolutely astounded at the appalling low salary on offer. I appreciate that this is contract work and with limited job security which by definition should be better rewarded. I mean no disrespect to those who apply or take these jobs but the money for wide body crew is really derisory. It’s where we’re at I suppose.

[HeadUpTheTailpipe]

Air Atlanta only really works if you're a retired KLM or Lufthansa captain on a king's ransom pension and/or have a business on the side that pulls in loads of money and requires your time.

Then you can do the 'worldwide' contract where you tell Air Atlanta when you can be bothered to roll of out of bed and do a spot of flying, because you miss the craic, and the adventure.

Otherwise, steer well clear, and don't bother. The money is sh!te. It's about half of what it should be in terms of pay, like the poster above said.

[Ropsy]

Anyone who is flying there as kind as to shed some light at some things:

- hotel standart on/off base? Which hotel in JED
-flight from home to/from duty - which airline, eco or C?
-colleagues (especially on the 777)

thanks a million in advance!

PS: anyone attending the assessment in March? PN

[Dufo]

Anyone who is flying there as kind as to shed some light at some things:

- hotel standart on/off base? Which hotel in JED

​​​​​​In JED it is Crowne Plaza (al Hamra disctrict), which is like a second home and is good. Down the route all hotac are good, you won't see a backpaker's vomit express.

-flight from home to/from duty - which airline, eco or C?

Whenever possible, you operate or deadhead onboard own freighters. Othwerwise saudia network, emirates, egyptair, turkish etc. All economy.

-colleagues (especially on the 777)

Generally good, with some drama amongst just retired ones, used to be treated like princesses. Bitching to colleagues at breakfast does not help, bringing it to management usually does (unless it's a broken fingernail or toilet paper is too rough).

thanks a million in advance!

PS: anyone attending the assessment in March? PN

Good luck!

[Ropsy]

Good luck!


Thanks a lot - also for the infos!


OCC training is held in Iceland or ?!

[P40Warhawk]

Thanks a lot - also for the infos!


OCC training is held in Iceland or ?!

Groundschool Crawley UK.

Sim AAI has its own 747 Sim in LHR. 777 I think also in LHR.

[3 Holer]

Are the crews still accommodated at the George Hotel (Ramada?) in Crawley?

[katedxb]

Hi may I ask you about NTR Cruise relief? Did you go to the interview? How was it? appreciate it!