Covid Shot - Side Effects?

[dysslexicgod]

Just had one. Grounding myself for a few days..

‘’You?

[Global Aviator]

Not over reacting, not listening to mainstream or ant media, just roll with the flow.

Yes smart to do a self grounding but unnecessary, in my opinion.

I had minor side effects for less than 24 hours. Then again I’m grossly overweight, had KFC, Maccas and half a carton after it.

[redsnail]

In EASA land, they recommend 48 hours no fly post jab.
I had the AZ jab and I needed those 48 hours off. I had Covid a year ago, so did Checkboard, although, we experienced different symptoms.
About 7-8 hours after the jab, the chills kicked in, then felt hot, this cycled all the way through the night plus felt nauseous too. By morning, that had gone away but was left with a headache that wouldn't budge and fatigue that didn't let up until the evening. Headache finally went away. The next day, just very tired. Slight tenderness under the arm, jab site, fine.
Checkboard (who is long covid with altered sense of smell and taste), very mild chills and fever but had bad joint/back pain for about a day.

Can't wait for the second one... It should be better...

[Car RAMROD]

Casa advice https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and-certification/aviation-medicine/information-dame-dao-co-and-medical-specialists


COVID-19 vaccinationAfter receiving COVID-19 vaccination, aviation duties should not be undertaken for a minimum of 24 hours after each dose of vaccination.

As stated in the CASA clinical practice guidelines, this waiting period is similar to and required after receiving any other vaccination/immunisation. In the absence of any side-effects 24 hours after vaccination, the licence holder can resume flying or controlling duties. Should the licence holder feel unwell beyond the 24 hours after vaccination, the pilot or the controller should not fly or control until their symptoms have resolved and/or they have been cleared to return to aviation duties by their doctor or DAME.


Have had 2x Pfizer. 24hr grounding after each (as it happened I didn’t have to fly for a longer period than that).
slight discomfort at the injection site for maybe up to 36hrs but a stubbed toe hurts more. otherwise fine.


To compare, moderna vaccine, FAA requires minimum 48hours.

[Keg]

Sore arm about four hours after the first shot. Akin to a gym workout. Lasted about 36 hours.

Second shot the arm soreness was about two hours later. Lasted the 36 hours again. Felt very flat the next day- as though I’d been flying all night and woken up after only a few hours sleep. Not a head ache, just lethargic. 36 hours later and all was good.

[ScepticalOptomist]

I had the Pfizer vaccine.

First time I had a slightly sore arm which lasted less than a day. Felt a little lethargic but otherwise fine.

Second jab, much the same without the lethargy. Would quite happily have operated.

[Near Miss]

I've had both shots of the Pfizer vaccine. The first shot caused a mildly sore arm about 2 hours afterwards which lasted until the following evening. Then around day 3 or 4 I felt super tired and needed a 10 hour "nap" during the day. It really floored me, like I've just done back to back all-nighters. With the second shot I surprisingly had zero discomfort in my arm. However like the first one, after a few days I felt really tired and needed a (much shorter) nap during the day. Other than that, no chills, no fever, no headache, no nausea.

[Ollie Onion]

There was an interesting study re-published on CNN that said the more side effects you suffer after the vaccines the more susceptible to severe Covid you are likely to be. I.e, the most aggressive forms of Covid are normally due to an 'over active' immune response which causes those people to react more to the vaccines. I had the 2 shot Pfizer, had a sore arm after both doses and that was it. My wife was floored for 3 days after the second shot.

[bafanguy]

I had the 2 shot Pfizer, had a sore arm after both doses and that was it. My wife was floored for 3 days after the second shot.

Interesting. From my statistically-insignificant sampling consisting of those in my family, no one had much reaction to the 1st shot (merely sore arm) but only the females, ranging in age from 35 to 70, had negative reactions to the 2nd shot. Seems to be the same for both Pfizer and Moderna. I don't know anyone who got the J&J.

[Keg]

G’day Bafanguy, long time no see. Hope you’re well. Moderna not yet approved in Australia and neither is J&J. Just Pfizer and AZ at the moment with AZ now being restricted to the over 50s.

[compressor stall]

Mrs stall has done the vaccine administrating course and the notes say that for side effects the AZ is generally worse on the first jab and minimal on the second. Pfizer is the reverse. YMMV

[Bleve]

Well I’m a contrarian. After my first Pfizer jab I had pretty much my standard response to all my previous vaccinations - bit of a sore arm for a couple of days and feeling just a little bit ‘off’. Not enough to stop me doing anything though. After my second Pfizer jab, nothing, nada, zip, nil symptoms. Didn’t even know I’d had it.
Interestingly though, I did have this years flu shot 16 days after my second Pfizer and I did know I’d had that. Ever muscle ached for about two days. Nothing significant, but enough that I couldn’t get comfortable in bed and had two restless nights sleep.

[bafanguy]

G’day Bafanguy, long time no see. Hope you’re well.

Keg,

Long time indeed. I'm just older, uglier, crankier and poorer !

[DON T]

Pfeizer in Uk no side effects in either of the 2 shots. Same with my mates.

Wife had AZ first jab with very mild tiredness. Still awaiting 2nd jab.

[Equivocal]

I'm in the UK. Had the AZ first dose a couple of months ago. Stabbed mid-morning and felt fine for the rest of the day, felt a little out of sorts in the evening and virtually curled up in bed feeling very sorry for myself for the next two days. Interesting to see how varied the individual reactions are.

[ChrisVJ]

Had the Pfizer jab ten days ago. General lack of stamina on my part and occasional chills. MrsVJ has a nasty rash in armpit said to be a "good" reaction but now needing doctor's advice.

[faction]

Double dose of the Pfizer, no side effects at all.

[From a distance]

After one treatment with Pfizer I had a raging erection for 24 hours. It became extremely uncomfortable. .....Oh wait you guys are talking about another pfizer product.

[dysslexicgod]

AZ First shot yesterday, no i’ll effects except slight headache. panadol fixed that

[lc_461]

Mrs stall has done the vaccine administrating course and the notes say that for side effects the AZ is generally worse on the first jab and minimal on the second. Pfizer is the reverse. YMMV

This seems to be my experience of people I know who've had either. I had Pfizer - first shot - really only a sore arm for 2 days starting about 8 hours later. Second shot, as above but an all over body ache akin to being hungover, and a slight fever on day 2. All back to normal apart from the sore arm on day 3.
Grateful to be vaccinated as I sure as hell don't want covid (and I'm at the southern end of the <50 category), and i'm keen to life to get back to normal asap...

[Transition Layer]

For those who’ve had both Pfizer shots, what was the gap between shots?

Wondering if the side effects for Shot 2 are worse if you get them close together, right on the 3 weeks, as opposed to spacing them out closer to 6 weeks.

[rjtjrt]

AZ.
No side effects at all. Totally none.
Only had first dose so far.

[ScepticalOptomist]

For those who’ve had both Pfizer shots, what was the gap between shots?

Wondering if the side effects for Shot 2 are worse if you get them close together, right on the 3 weeks, as opposed to spacing them out closer to 6 weeks.

I had no adverse reaction and I had my second shot at 42 days.

[Car RAMROD]

For those who’ve had both Pfizer shots, what was the gap between shots?

25 days between the two.

[Tom Sawyer]

I've had x2 Pfizer jabs and as others have said, first one no problems apart from slightly sore arm in the evening and next day. Second one affected me for 3-4 days. Felt hot (temp was Ok though), tight gripping headache, nausea, fatigue and generally hung over feeling. Having said that, it appears that I was the only one in my work group of 10 or so who did have any side effects.

Mrs TS has had the first one this week with no problems, will see how the second one goes in a couple of weeks or so.

[Bleve]

For those who’ve had both Pfizer shots, what was the gap between shots?

Wondering if the side effects for Shot 2 are worse if you get them close together, right on the 3 weeks, as opposed to spacing them out closer to 6 weeks.

Not in my case. I had my second Pfizer shot exactly 3 weeks (almost to the minute) after the first. I had absolutely no side effects after the second jab.

[Check Airman]

The adults on both sides of my family have been vaccinated. Most people had no side effects. I only know one person who had fever-like symptoms for about 24 hours, then bounced back to normal. None of the doomsday predictions by the anti-covid vaccine crowd have happened.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

2 x Pfizer. 3 weeks apart. Absolutely no reaction to first shot. The second: nothing immediately. The day after, a slightly sore arm in vicinity of jab site for a few hours after waking, nothing by end of day.

[Nigel Osborn]

I'm in OZ, in my mid 80s & a type 2 diabetic. I have to have the AZ vaccination, no option.
Has anyone in my age & condition had the AZ & if so what side effects if any.
Cheers

[Chris2303]

No Covid shot yet but my arm sure as hell hurts where I got my flu shot 18 hours ago.

[NaFenn]

AZ (1st dose) - had really bad fever and chills the night of the shot, however no issues after 24 hours other than a sore arm for a couple of days. 2nd dose is due in about 5 weeks

My father who is in his 70s had the AZ about 2 weeks after me with no side-effects.

[MENELAUS]

Pfizer both shots. 21 days apart.
Sore upper arm on both. That said no more so than any other intra muscular shot that I’ve had in the past. Second shot lump in the armpit for a day or so. Other than that, nothing. Colleagues, and SWMBO, had the usual slight fever sensations, and general feeling of malaise, for 24 hours or so, then fine.
Here we have a 48 hour requirement before back to flying etc. Seems like a reasonable idea.
Certainly less reaction than the TABT shots as a kid, or the yellow fever shots that I’ve had in the past.
Can’t speak to the AZ shots directly. Although I’ve heard no negative feedback from those that have had it.

[Transition Layer]

I'm in OZ, in my mid 80s & a type 2 diabetic. I have to have the AZ vaccination, no option.
Has anyone in my age & condition had the AZ & if so what side effects if any.
Cheers
This article may be of interest to you...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/people-with-diabetes-urged-to-get-covid-vaccine-following-blood-clot-death-20210416-p57jtb.html

[thunderbird five]

Someone I know personally had the AZ recently. Next day she became unsteady and seriously unwell and called the ambulance for herself then spent 4 days in deep **** in hospital.
F. that!

[Porto Pete]

Someone I know personally had the Covid recently. Next day she became unsteady and seriously unwell and called the ambulance for herself then spent 4 weeks in deep **** in hospital. Then died an agonising death.
F. that!

[Australopithecus]

Really? Both of you guys knew personally a 1:200,000 incidence of complications? Huh.

[ampclamp]

Both my spouse and myself have had dose 1 of Astra Zeneca. Neither of us have had any side effects. Just a tiny bit of soreness at the injection site. Less than most flu shots I've had.

[dysslexicgod]

Both of us had dose 1 AZ yesterday. Slight headache and sore arm today.

[Dave]

In EASA land, they recommend 48 hours no fly post jab.
I had the AZ jab and I needed those 48 hours off. I had Covid a year ago, so did Checkboard, although, we experienced different symptoms.
About 7-8 hours after the jab, the chills kicked in, then felt hot, this cycled all the way through the night plus felt nauseous too. By morning, that had gone away but was left with a headache that wouldn't budge and fatigue that didn't let up until the evening. Headache finally went away. The next day, just very tired. Slight tenderness under the arm, jab site, fine.
Checkboard (who is long covid with altered sense of smell and taste), very mild chills and fever but had bad joint/back pain for about a day.

Can't wait for the second one... It should be better...

I had exactly the same symptoms as you Redsnail. Was a little worried at the time as I've never had side-effects to anything before.... also I think the nurse doing the jab could've explained a bit more about possible side effects and likelihood of them. It was very much a production line for getting the jab, literally didn't even sit down - it was queue up, confirm name and date of birth, jab, on your way....

However... do I think it was worth having? YES! Will I go for the second one? YES!

Good luck to all :)

[maggot]

Really? Both of you guys knew personally a 1:200,000 incidence of complications? Huh.
read the second closer
piss: taken with a dose of reality

[DHfan]

First AZ shot about 5 weeks ago, absolutely no side effects at all. I only knew which arm it was because I watched him do it.

[Radgirl]

Local pain, malaise, chills, rigor are all due to an immune response which is producing neutralising antibodies that in turn produces IgG and IgM and will save your life so I was delighted to suffer :ok:

Some patients who are immunosuppressed (ie cancer patients having chemotherapy) do not produce many antibodies and although we are keen to immunise them they may not be fully protected. They do not seem to get many symptoms when vaccinated. BUT in normal people and professional pilots :mad: there seems little relationship so provided you have had a proper vaccine I would not worry. Pfizer and moderna tend to produce more symptoms on second dose regardless of interval. AZ less so and may be the other way round as you can get a response to the adenoviral vector it contains.

[metrodashbrazconkie]

As this is a requirement of employment are the side effects, if severe, covered by workers comp?

[Mookiesurfs]

1st Moderna generated moderate fatigue for 12 hours, beginning 12 hours after shot. 2nd Moderna caused 101.1 F fever, chills, severe fatigue beginning 12 hours after the shot, unable to sleep. Fever gone after six hours, fatigue after another 24.

[DHfan]

Local pain, malaise, chills, rigor are all due to an immune response which is producing neutralising antibodies that in turn produces IgG and IgM and will save your life so I was delighted to suffer

Perhaps that partially explains my lack of side effects as for some reason I've already got IgG immunity.

[OvertHawk]

Had first dose of AZ couple of days ago. That evening felt pretty unwell with flu symptoms - fever / chills; body pain; stiff neck; sweats and a pretty bad headache. Fine by lunchtime the following day.

I would certainly have been entirely unfit to fly (i did not even feel fit to drive my car).

Everyone is different but i'd factor the possibility that you could feel pretty rubbish for a couple of days into your planning.

Be safe.
OH

[Jamesair1]

2 Pfizer...11 weeks apart.....sore shoulder after each one...lasted about 12 hours, each one the same re-action.

[Jack D]

Pfizer product used, after first inoculation absolutely no side effects for both wife and I.

Girlfriend reports significant increase in her libido after first dosage. I heartily endorse Pfizer products .

[Jack D]

Pfizer product used, after first inoculation absolutely no side effects whatsoever for both wife and I.

Left handed girlfriend reports significant increase in her libido after first dosage. I can only heartily endorse Pfizer products .

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[FOUR REDS]

I'm in OZ, in my mid 80s Nife& a type 2 diabetic. I have to have the AZ vaccination, no option.
Has anyone in my age & condition had the AZ & if so what side effects if any.
Cheers

Nigel. UK, 72 and also Type 2.
AZ jab1 end January mid afternoon. Late
evening very mild headache, During night I got the shivers, followed by hot flashes. This subsided at sunrise, after which I felt sleepy and lethargic until early evening. In total about 28 hours.
AZ jab 2 two days ago late afternoon. No effect until light headache again at about 2300.
Paracetamol solved that. Nil other symptoms.

Go for it. Good luck
Arie

[thorn bird]

I would recommend the Pfizer vaccine if available, remember Pfizer also make the little blue pill.
If they can raise the dead they can certainly protect us from the Wuhan flu.

[onedottoolow]

For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects.
Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical.
I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023.
Best of Luck.

[Australopithecus]

That’s not the big picture. I am sorry, sincerely, for your predicament. The harsh reality is that some people will be adversely affected, but they are a tiny tiny fraction of the covid risk.

The government has indemnified the vaccine makers. Its high time they also gave income support to the vaccine takers-or hefty death benefits to their survivors. Why should a few random unfortunate people have to carry the can for the entire nation?

[metrodashbrazconkie]

For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects.
Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical.
I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023.
Best of Luck.

Hence my question about workers comp.

[cattletruck]

This is a good informative thread, but in addition to side effects experienced if any, I would like to also hear of the facility type where you got the jab, was it in hospital, your GP, a pop-up clinic, a company organised programme, or something else.

Also it does appear the first 24hrs are the most critical for the onset of severe health deterioration, what measures did you put in place to ensure someone will respond if you were to find yourself incapacitated? I'm sure your GP would do the right thing by you but what if they are busy?

[Fuel-Off]

2 x Pfizer. Both times just got a bit tired, had a nap and was fine after that.


This is a good informative thread, but in addition to side effects experienced if any, I would like to also hear of the facility type where you got the jab, was it in hospital, your GP, a pop-up clinic, a company organised programme, or something else.

My airline along with the local health authority had everything set up at the company's medical facility. Register with the national ID card, go in, get jabbed, get an 'endorsement' on the vaccination card, on your way.

Fuel-Off :ok:

[ruprecht]

First Pfizer jab 10 days ago. Slightly sore arm for about 36 hours and that was it.

Organised through my secondary employment.

[ICEHOUSES]

Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection or clinical trial as it is at the moment, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate In healthy people, take it or leave it.

[ericoides]

There was an interesting study re-published on CNN that said the more side effects you suffer after the vaccines the more susceptible to severe Covid you are likely to be. I.e, the most aggressive forms of Covid are normally due to an 'over active' immune response which causes those people to react more to the vaccines. I had the 2 shot Pfizer, had a sore arm after both doses and that was it. My wife was floored for 3 days after the second shot.

Have you got a link for that? I found one on CNN that says precisely the opposite:
edition.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/covid-vaccine-side-effects/index.html

[Jack D]

For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects.
Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical.
I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023.
Best of Luck.

Phase 3 trials are complete and approval has been given for the use of some vaccines, not all.
Safety monitoring continues until 2023 or 2022 depending on the manufacturer, Pfizer or Moderna. Safety monitoring is normal practice for all vaccines and does not constitute a trial per se.
As far as I can determine the trial phase is over, engaging a competent lawyer will help .

[Jack D]

Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.i

Good for you , but have you considered your plan to avoid vaccination will put others at risk? Worth a thought I’d say .

[turbantime]

For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects.
Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical.
I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023.
Best of Luck.
Which vaccine was that? How did you end up at the front of the que? What side effects lead to loss of medical? Which LoL provider?

[Check Airman]

Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
I guess the people who died didn't have an immune system...

[turbantime]

Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
Survival does not equal recovery. Some people get proper messed up by the virus and end with “long Covid”. These people survived but may not fully recover. https://inews.co.uk/news/health/long-haul-covid-coronavirus-symptoms-months-after-effects-679023
As Jack D alluded to, our family will take the vaccine to protect our elderly parents. Yes, they will have the vaccine but nothing is a 100% guarantee. By inoculating ourselves we pose a much lower risk to them. Also, this is the only way out of this mess and I will play my part to get society back on track. All that you have written is self-centred and focussed only on yourself, look beyond that.

[kingRB]

I guess the people who died didn't have an immune system...

pretty much. Not all immune systems are equal these days.

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19-and-Obesity-The-2021-Atlas.pdf

Death rates were 10x higher in countries where more than 50% of the population is overweight
The U.K. has the third-highest death rate in the world (184 deaths per 100,000 population) and the fourth-highest obesity rate with 63.7% of adults classifying as overweight, closely followed by the U.S., which has 152.49 deaths per 100,000 and 67.9% of the population living with obesity.
Vietnam, on the other hand, has the lowest Covid-19 death rate in the world (0.04 deaths per 100,000), and also reports the second-lowest rate of obesity (18.3% of adults).
The report highlights that there is “not a single example internationally” of a country with low levels of obesity—classified as less than 40% of the population overweight—and high death rates.

It's almost like you might be able to conclude if you aren't a fat bastard, or have severe underlying health issues, covid might be a non event for you.

[ScepticalOptomist]

Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.

Fair enough, but the person you give it to may be in the 0.5% .

Vaccination is a social contract in my view - you’re doing it to look after others as well as yourself.

[Clear_sky]

Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.

[V-Jet]

Thanks for this thread - interesting.

If it's not already written up I have a solution for the sore arm after (any) injection. I've extensively tested my method since I was a child and it works. After the needle, simply move your arm as if you were doing bicep curls for 30 minutes. You may get away with less, but I started at 75 minutes and worked down. The last tetanus shot I had I skimped a bit (due age:) ) but still had no pain at all - from the needle. The saw blade wound hurt for weeks though:)

[Foxxster]

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[Jack D]

Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.

True, to a certain extent, but the risk of being infected with transmissible disease is very low after vaccination, much lower than in unvaccinated groups.

In other words, vaccination protects the recipient from severe illness and also protects others as contagion is greatly reduced among vaccinated populations , see measles , polio etc. these diseases although not exactly the same do offer some comparative data.

The obesity argument does seem to have some merit however reporting from countries like Vietnam is sketchy at best.

[Jack D]

Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.

True, to a certain extent, but the risk of being infected with transmissible disease is very low after vaccination, much lower than in unvaccinated groups.

In other words, vaccination protects the recipient from severe illness and also protects others as contagion is greatly reduced among vaccinated populations , see measles , polio etc. these viral diseases although not exactly the same, do offer some comparative data.

The obesity argument does seem to have some merit, however reporting from countries like Vietnam is sketchy at best. ( no offense intended) one would have to look at far more data to draw firm conclusions, but there does seem to be a link between being overweight or obese and death rates.

Most people over 50 in the Western world are overweight in the medical sense, not necessarily very fat .

[The Lost Goat]

After both shots felt a bit dizzy (Pfizer).
After second shot was a bit nauseous for a day and felt strange for another day, that was it.

[SCPL_1988]

I've had double vaccinations. The Russian vaccine is perhaps one of the most underrated vaccine as it is two in one, an RNA and Vector
so both do the same job differently. What one misses the other hopefully covers.
You can achieve the same by say
getting your two shots of Phizer,
waiting a few months then gett AstraZenica

Then six months later, get what ever vaccine that is made for the new varients.

From the people I've spoken to and my own experience, the first shot rarely has a reaction,
its the 2nd shot that gives you body a wake up call to fight covid.

A good reaction to the 2nd shot is a good thing.

With the Astra Zenica, I got 36 hours of aches and pains, no temperature increase like the 2nd shot of Phizer.

Where I am, no one wears a mask and it has a much lower rate of new cases than most other places with requirements etc.
Land of the free and brave as they say.

[VintageEngineer]

OAZ: no reaction at all.
Pfizer on my wife: first jab: swelling, soreness & reddening at the jab site that lasted a few days; second jab, no issues whatsoever.

My elder brother is a retired dentist and a volunteer vaccinator. He’s jabbed thousands of people. He tells me that the official line, borne out by discussions with those having a second jab, is that side effects of both vaccines have been significantly less than expected. He had joint pains for a few weeks, which is apparently very common.

My brother is also pretty sceptical of a problem with blood clots. The data he has access to indicates that overall they are no more common than would be expected from a population of the ages vaccinated and, if anything, are actually lower. Apparently, 20% of hospital Covid patients have blood clots so an issue is hardly surprising. He thinks the odds of blood clots after a vaccine are much lower than with Covid without vaccination even for the very young.

[beer bong]

1st AZ a few days ago. Zero side effects

[ruprecht]

But after my second Pfizer shot, I have been having chest palpitations and periods of irregular heartbeat.
with the covid backlog, getting any clear diagnosis will take quite a while.
I called and described my symptoms and a visit was scheduled.
I went in for the visit and that doctor, quite young, did say that a wrist check of my heart beat was indeed a bit irregular. Blood pressure was all she checked and it was fine. She said she’d schedule an ecg and a blood test.
I went in for an ecg a week later and the f..er was on time and normal. I asked if they wanted me to do some exercise for a stress test and they said, no, they are limited to a 30 minute slot and much of it was used up with questions before getting wired up.
they keep asking if I am experiencing any chest pain. I have to say, no, but some very strange pounding which might be described as palpitations, but no pain.
I went in for the blood test and later that week, a different doctor said everything looked fine other than my cholesterol was a tad high. She said she’d arrange a consultation​​​​​.
I called back the same day, with a question that had arisen after my talking to her and thinking about what she had said.
another doctor called back later that evening saying things were not good with the blood test and that she is prescribing statins immediately. A bit concerned by the different interpretations of the same data.
phone consultation now scheduled for may 22.
I have asked each time for a 24 hour heart monitor but they keep saying, not yet. But if you feel any pain in your chest, call 111! Have a nice day!
frustrating that with each call and visit, it is a complete stranger.
no longer flying, difficult to afford a full private cardiac consultant.
again, no guarantee that this is related to the vaccine shots, but I have never had any cardio issue until after the second shot.
and not enough information yet, to rule out the only significant change that might be the major factor.
have been advised to say that there is “pain”
Jury still out on doing that just to get a bit more priority.
Very interesting...

I had my Class 1 medical 5 days after my first Pfizer shot. First ECG trace was garbage because the nurse messed up the leads :rolleyes:, so I went in for a second and was rapidly wired up. Second ECG trace showed an inverted T-wave on the V3 line. Doc wants an ECG stress test to check it out, which I have to do anyway because of my age, but it certainly got my attention. ECG taken 5 months ago for secondary employment was fine.

Correlation is not causation, and I suspect it was a misaligned electrode, but I’ll know more next week.

[Global Aviator]

Without wanting to sound like a Wally this could be a bit of a reminder that just cause we think we are healthy...

I had a few minor side effects from the AZ, however I’d rather be vaccinated than not. I have health checks above the yearly medical and am in the extremely fit category.

Other people suffering side effects or finding other issues, this could very well just be the conduit that makes you find that ‘hidden’ issue you may have.

Yes a little segue.

Stay healthy and let’s hope the jab roll out ramps up fast and the world opens.

[donpizmeov]

Regarding those cardio issues, more and more is being said out there regarding a possible link between the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine and some reported cases of myocarditis. A quick search on the Internet will reveal the concerns.

To all of you, please remember that all those Covid-19 vaccines have only been granted an emergency use authorization and that clinical trials are still ongoing. A lot of data are still missing and many questions remain unanswered to date.
For those at risk of developing a severe form of Covid-19, early vaccination does make sense. For those who recovered or are not at risk, I would simply say: experimental vaccination really merits special caution!

What I find the most concerning is that in all pilots that got vaccinated I talked to, none of them told me they wanted to protect themselves against Covid-19, all of them just wanted to be able to travel and/or are hoping to regain more freedom.

At the end, everyone is free to make his own risks/benefits balance.

What emotional drivel. I live in a country that is vacinating big time. It's using the usual western big pharma vaccines as well as Sinopharm. So all of my work mates and their wives have been jabbed. No adverse events. No unexpected 5G network connection.

The ongoing trial work you speak of, is testing for antibodies to check if and when a booster is needed. Safety has already been approved.

The adverse events that do happen, are rare. So much so that each individual event is reported in the news. So with that in mind, there have been more lotto winners than adverse eventers. I would feel ripped off.

It is a personal choice to get vaxcinated or not. But I do hope the many (those jabbed) aren't disadvantaged by the few (those not jabbed).

[On Track]

One AZ shot so far. No reaction.

[Conductor]

First AZ dose in late March, sore arm for 24 hours then back to normal. No big deal. My wife had it a week later (we're both late 40s - was before the <50 recommendation) and she was knocked flat for 2 days. Slept all day, sore muscles, chills. Took a full 3 days for her to be properly back to normal. 19 year old son had it and just had the sore arm for a day.

[BaronG]

Casa advice https://www.casa.gov.au/licences-and-certification/aviation-medicine/information-dame-dao-co-and-medical-specialists




Have had 2x Pfizer. 24hr grounding after each (as it happened I didn’t have to fly for a longer period than that).
slight discomfort at the injection site for maybe up to 36hrs but a stubbed toe hurts more. otherwise fine.


To compare, moderna vaccine, FAA requires minimum 48hours.


Yep this is my experience too after the 1st jab 2 days ago with Pfizer/BioNTech.

[Asturias56]

"To all of you, please remember that all those Covid-19 vaccines have only been granted an emergency use authorization and that clinical trials are still ongoing. "

There's a pandemic on - hundreds of thousands in hospitals, people dead all all over the shop - look what happened in Spain, Italy and now India

17 million people in EU injected with Astra Zeneca- 37 cases of blood clots - and they can't say if they might have had blood clots anyway. Latest evidence shows that a single shot reduces your chance of passing on the disease by over 50%

The best thing you can do for yourself, your family and your community is to get vaccinated as fast as possible

[jolihokistix]

Flash news.
My letter arrived yesterday, with instructions to book my first shot (bookings over the phone only) from 10 May onwards, if one can get through.
The government hopes to have most of the over-65s vaccinated with their first shot by the end of July. Fasten your seatbelts, folks of all sexual orientations identities!

[Scooter Rassmussin]

Ill for 7 Days after AZ shot , Reported CASA medical , grounded pending further tests .

[Auxtank]

In EASA land, they recommend 48 hours no fly post jab.
I had the AZ jab and I needed those 48 hours off. I had Covid a year ago, so did Checkboard, although, we experienced different symptoms.
About 7-8 hours after the jab, the chills kicked in, then felt hot, this cycled all the way through the night plus felt nauseous too. By morning, that had gone away but was left with a headache that wouldn't budge and fatigue that didn't let up until the evening. Headache finally went away. The next day, just very tired. Slight tenderness under the arm, jab site, fine.
Checkboard (who is long covid with altered sense of smell and taste), very mild chills and fever but had bad joint/back pain for about a day.

Can't wait for the second one... It should be better...

I had these exact symptoms after my first jab in mid February. I wasn't "meself" for three days in total.
I have been told the sides you get on your first one could be the same only slightly worse on the second jab.
I have just been invited by my surgery to book it. I am hesitating. . .but will get it. I'm just making sure I have a window of three days with no commitments whatsoever.

[pulse1]

My wife and I have had two Pfizer jabs with no after effects. Our daughter had one AZ jab and a day later experienced a pain in the chest and in her left arm. It passed after an hour or so but she went to see her doctor. The doctor did nothing and told her to go to A & E if it happened again. She did get checked out by the hospital and all was fine. She has been fine since. She is concerned about taking her second jab when it comes up.

[Auxtank]

Oh just tell her to get it.
I was absolutely grounded after my AZ jab for about 3 days - but, and here's the thing - you're not really ill - it's your own immune system kicking in and giving you the symptoms. You're fine but you FEEL awful. And I really did feel absolutely awful.

Since my original post a few hours ago I have booked my 2nd jab for Wednesday next week. I shall get the DVD's ready to load and just spend 48 hours on the sofa.

As my dear old 82 year old mother coined it; "Don't be a clot, get the shot."

[Transition Layer]

Oh just tell her to get it.
I was absolutely grounded after my AZ jab for about 3 days - but, and here's the thing - you're not really ill - it's your own immune system kicking in and giving you the symptoms. You're fine but you FEEL awful. And I really did feel absolutely awful.

Since my original post a few hours ago I have booked my 2nd jab for Wednesday next week. I shall get the DVD's ready to load and just spend 48 hours on the sofa.

As my dear old 82 year old mother coined it; "Don't be a clot, get the shot."

DVDs? I didn’t think Covid was around back in 2003

[clark y]

Hey Auxtank, the use of the word CLOT in your mum's slogan is interesting. She must be quick witted.

[AEROMEDIC]

Had the jab a few weeks ago. No problems other than feeling a little tired and minor muscular aches. Both of these I’d normally put down to celebrating.
Can’t wait for the second one, and in the meantime, I’ve had a seasonal flu shot. 😎👍

[EvaDestruction]

I see no need to take a dangerous experimental drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate.

I've been exposed to it during the last year numerous times, with my barber and many other friends and acquaintances having been infected. I do supplement, and so my immune system is strong.

Considering the ample evidence of the fraudulent nature of this planned event, I will have no part of it. I will not be a guinea pig for Fauci and Pharma.

[Asturias56]

"I see no need to take a dangerous experimental drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate."

Firstly its not dangerous - a billion people have had shots and as far as I know they're not falling over dead or even sick in any significant numbers

50% of the population in the UK has had a shot - and I can't see people setting up cremations in the street as you can see in India - death rates are down to 15 a day.

problem isn't survival - it's the fact the hospital system gets overrun

You also have duty to protect your family, neighbours and work mates by having a shot

[DHfan]

I see no need to take a dangerous experimental drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate.

I've been exposed to it during the last year numerous times, with my barber and many other friends and acquaintances having been infected. I do supplement, and so my immune system is strong.

Considering the ample evidence of the fraudulent nature of this planned event, I will have no part of it. I will not be a guinea pig for Fauci and Pharma.

As you obviously believe it's all a conspiracy, I shall ignore your entire post.

[halfmoon]

What are the latest stats? One elderly covid death year to date in Australia, 2 vaccine deaths...
enough said

[EvaDestruction]

"I see no need to take a dangerous experimental drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate."

Firstly its not dangerous - a billion people have had shots and as far as I know they're not falling over dead or even sick in any significant numbers

50% of the population in the UK has had a shot - and I can't see people setting up cremations in the street as you can see in India - death rates are down to 15 a day.

problem isn't survival - it's the fact the hospital system gets overrun

You also have duty to protect your family, neighbours and work mates by having a shot

If it's not dangerous, why did a friend of a friend (here in the US) die 4 hours after injection? If it's not dangerous, why is it released (here in the US) under Emergency Use Authorization? If it's not dangerous, why did a Miami Beach doctor die 2 weeks after the shots of a strange blood disease? If it's not dangerous, why are there pregnant women in significant numbers losing their pregnancies?

Because this is not a true vaccine but instead gene therapy never tried on humans before, the short term effects are fairly minor compared to the potential long term effects. We are essentially walking in uncharted territory, as no humans have ever received such medical devices.

Again I pose the question: why should a person with a healthy immune system (like me) take an experimental and dangerous gene editing drug cocktail to supposedly (it doesn't) protect me from a virus that has a 99% survival rate?

That is a question you would rather not answer, and I certainly understand why.

A legislator in the state of Arizona, female last name Hernandez, took the series of shots and about 2 weeks later came down with a full blown infection with all the symptoms. Her story was covered by RT a few days ago.

Besides being dangerous and experimental, it doesn't work. There has never been a successful vaccination against coronavirus. In attempts to develop one, all the animals being tested died when infected.

I see no compelling need to take an experimental and dangerous drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate, a virus that has been blowing around this part of Florida for more than a year that never seemed to bother me. I won't be a crash test dummy for the pharmaceutical companies.

All the best.

[Australopithecus]

Where is the “ ignore this idiot” button?

[SixDemonBag]

This is worse than qrewroom 😞

[eagleflyer]

Took my first AZ shot the other day. No nothing for me....but talking to my colleagues the spread goes from nothing to 39°C fever and feeling sick for three days.

[Auxtank]

Hey Auxtank, the use of the word CLOT in your mum's slogan is interesting. She must be quick witted.

Quicker than you evidently.

[JJ 789]

If it's not dangerous, why did a friend of a friend (here in the US) die 4 hours after injection? If it's not dangerous, why is it released (here in the US) under Emergency Use Authorization? If it's not dangerous, why did a Miami Beach doctor die 2 weeks after the shots of a strange blood disease? If it's not dangerous, why are there pregnant women in significant numbers losing their pregnancies?

Because this is not a true vaccine but instead gene therapy never tried on humans before, the short term effects are fairly minor compared to the potential long term effects. We are essentially walking in uncharted territory, as no humans have ever received such medical devices.

Again I pose the question: why should a person with a healthy immune system (like me) take an experimental and dangerous gene editing drug cocktail to supposedly (it doesn't) protect me from a virus that has a 99% survival rate?

That is a question you would rather not answer, and I certainly understand why.

A legislator in the state of Arizona, female last name Hernandez, took the series of shots and about 2 weeks later came down with a full blown infection with all the symptoms. Her story was covered by RT a few days ago.

Besides being dangerous and experimental, it doesn't work. There has never been a successful vaccination against coronavirus. In attempts to develop one, all the animals being tested died when infected.

I see no compelling need to take an experimental and dangerous drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate, a virus that has been blowing around this part of Florida for more than a year that never seemed to bother me. I won't be a crash test dummy for the pharmaceutical companies.

All the best.

I agree, I'll be giving it a few years at least until more data is gathered. Doesn't look like international travel from Australia will ramp up anytime in the foreseeable future... That's the drawcard for many people to get this "vaccine". Over the past month, many people who were going to get it when it was their turn are now saying they won't be now. So for people to be questioning it in relatively large numbers is telling...

[dr dre]

If it's not dangerous, why is it released (here in the US) under Emergency Use Authorization?

It isn't under an Emergency Authorisation in Australia. It was authorised after a complete assessment of data. (https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/is-it-true/is-it-true-were-covid-19-vaccines-rushed-through-approvals-or-given-emergency-use-authorisations-in-australia) It had to be given an expedited authorisation in the USA (safety tests were still completed however) as the virus was running rampant throughout the country. Killing up to 4000 per day.

If it's not dangerous, why did a Miami Beach doctor die 2 weeks after the shots of a strange blood disease?

He didn't (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article250539119.html). He passed away from natural causes, no proof the vaccine had a role.

If it's not dangerous, why are there pregnant women in significant numbers losing their pregnancies?


Because they aren't (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-miscarriage-vaccine-idUSL1N2LT21A). Miscarriage is already quite common and no data the vaccine is increasing that rate.

Because this is not a true vaccine but instead gene therapy never tried on humans before

Vaccines aren't gene therapy (https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/03/17/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-are-not-gene-therapy-as-some-are-claiming/?sh=684b7fc73d20). Even though the Covid vaccines aren't, Gene therapy in of itself is nothing to be afraid of, it is an exciting new way of combatting disease (https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/gene-therapy/about/pac-20384619).

why should a person with a healthy immune system (like me) take an experimental and dangerous gene editing drug cocktail to supposedly (it doesn't) protect me from a virus that has a 99% survival rate?

Because the rate of death from vaccine is miniscule compare to the rate of death from Covid. Some facts (https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/gene-therapy/about/pac-20384619). Risk of Covid death 5 times higher than vaccine for over 40s, 10 times higher for over 50s, 50 times higher for over 60s, 80 times higher for over 70s.

We've only one death in Australia that professionals have identified a link to the vaccine (that person had underlying conditions however). That's out of 2 million doses given. We have had about 30,000 Covid cases for 900 deaths. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the vaccine risk is virtually non existent compared to the infection risk.

That is a question you would rather not answer


I just did.

A legislator in the state of Arizona, female last name Hernandez, took the series of shots and about 2 weeks later came down with a full blown infection with all the symptoms. Her story was covered by RT a few days ago.


First off no one has ever claimed vaccines are 100% effective at stopping infection. They are effective at stopping severe disease, which is exactly what happened. The legislator you mentioned (https://tucson.com/news/local/lawmaker-among-nearly-950-arizonans-to-get-ill-despite-being-fully-immunized/article_fde5d90a-a92e-11eb-bd3b-1bacbbbc471c.amp.html) did not come down with a "full blown infection', as her fever only lasted a few hours. She has medical qualifications and acknowledges that her disease would have been worse without vaccination, and encourages people to get the jab.

Besides being dangerous and experimental, it doesn't work. There has never been a successful vaccination against coronavirus.

It works. Every scientific study (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/real-world-studies-find-covid-vaccines-cut-infection-hospitalization) produced shows the effectiveness of the vaccine. Cases cut by over 90% (https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567)

I see no compelling need to take an experimental and dangerous drug to protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate, a virus that has been blowing around this part of Florida for more than a year that never seemed to bother me. .

Florida - 2.2 million cases, 35,000 deaths.
Australia - 30,000 cases, 900 dead.
Florida even has a lower population than Australia.

[cloudsurfng]

Cannot wait until airlines have a ‘no jab no job’ policy. See how many miraculously change their minds when their job is on the line.

[JJ 789]

Cannot wait until airlines have a ‘no jab no job’ policy. See how many miraculously change their minds when their job is on the line.

Watch the jobseeker queue grow ...

[dr dre]

Watch the jobseeker queue grow ...

The maximum Jobseeker payment is currently $330pw, or $17,000 pa.

So who's going to choose that option over a vaccine that gives 1 or 2 out of a million clotting issues, almost all with prior underlying conditions?

[Going Nowhere]

What are the latest stats? One elderly covid death year to date in Australia, 2 vaccine deaths...
enough said
https://youtu.be/7tzfl1wTemM

[EvaDestruction]

Dr. Dre

I'm glad things are coming up roses Down Under. And I'm glad you have a nice pair of Rose Colored Glasses on to view the world around you.

In the US and the rest of the world, they've been issued under EUA because there were no human tests done on them. Rather, the human tests are being done on a massive scale, on the public. As of about 3 weeks ago here in the US, more than half the population, 175 million out of 330, have been jabbed. Because no such gene-editing drugs have ever been administered to humans before, we are in uncharted territory. We have nothing to go on.

The few animal tests done with the drugs here in the US were done only on rats, and they quickly noticed that the pregnant rats lost their pregnancies. Apparently these dangerous cocktails have a strong influence on the placenta, as the same thing has happened here in the US to pregnant women, they lost their pregnancies.

So keep those Rose Colored Glasses fixed firmly to your face, because in the next 6 months or so it's very likely the stuff will be hitting the fan.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the advantage to taking a dangerous experimental shot to supposedly protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate. It doesn't make sense to me.

To Australopithecus, I'm sorry I rained on your parade. Life can be cruel you know, and too many times the bloody truth can be painful.

[SOPS]

Dr. Dre

I'm glad things are coming up roses Down Under. And I'm glad you have a nice pair of Rose Colored Glasses on to view the world around you.

In the US and the rest of the world, they've been issued under EUA because there were no human tests done on them. Rather, the human tests are being done on a massive scale, on the public. As of about 3 weeks ago here in the US, more than half the population, 175 million out of 330, have been jabbed. Because no such gene-editing drugs have ever been administered to humans before, we are in uncharted territory. We have nothing to go on.

The few animal tests done with the drugs here in the US were done only on rats, and they quickly noticed that the pregnant rats lost their pregnancies. Apparently these dangerous cocktails have a strong influence on the placenta, as the same thing has happened here in the US to pregnant women, they lost their pregnancies.

So keep those Rose Colored Glasses fixed firmly to your face, because in the next 6 months or so it's very likely the stuff will be hitting the fan.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the advantage to taking a dangerous experimental shot to supposedly protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate. It doesn't make sense to me.

To Australopithecus, I'm sorry I rained on your parade. Life can be cruel you know, and too many times the bloody truth can be painful.

Where is it shown that the vaccine alters your genes. I mean real proof. Not social media rubbish?

[EvaDestruction]

SOPS

I'm sure you prefer to do your own thinking, and I'm happy to help provide you sources of knowledge on this matter.



DR. RYAN COLE: COVID-19, MRNA BIOWEAPON, IVERMECTIN, & VITAMIN D – The Phaser (http://thephaser.com/2021/03/talk-about-covid-19-mrna-bioweapon-ivermectin-the-importance-of-vitamin-d-dr-ryan-cole/)

Ryan Cole will help inform you, and there is also Dr. David E. Martin and many other physicians and healthcare scientists who can help explain how and why this is not a conventional vaccine we're dealing with. It is an unapproved, never before used on humans, cocktail of drugs.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

Best of luck in your search for knowledge.

Here is another site that might help. Physical Therapist Dies Two Days After Getting COVID-19 Shot in Indiana - The Vaccine Reaction (https://thevaccinereaction.org/2021/04/physical-therapist-dies-two-days-after-getting-covid-19-shot-in-indiana/)

[DHfan]

The previous poster was right. We need an "ignore the idiot" button.

[dr dre]

SOPS

I'm sure you prefer to do your own thinking, and I'm happy to help provide you sources of knowledge on this matter.

DR. RYAN COLE: COVID-19, MRNA BIOWEAPON, IVERMECTIN, & VITAMIN D – The Phaser (http://thephaser.com/2021/03/talk-about-covid-19-mrna-bioweapon-ivermectin-the-importance-of-vitamin-d-dr-ryan-cole/)

Ryan Cole will help inform you, and there is also Dr. David E. Martin and many other physicians and healthcare scientists who can help explain how and why this is not a conventional vaccine we're dealing with. It is an unapproved, never before used on humans, cocktail of drugs.

Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

Best of luck in your search for knowledge.

Here is another site that might help.

The Coroner's report on the Physical Therapist's death revealed she had diabetes and congestive heart disease.

Ryan Cole is a quack who has been frequently debunked (https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/not-all-coronaviruses-are-seasonal-contrary-to-pathologist-ryan-coles-claim-covid-19-vaccines-are-effective-at-preventing-illness/).

David E Martin is a quack and a conspiracy theorist (https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ridiculous-theory-virus-owned-from-1999/4082954/).

The Phaser and Vaccine Reaction are anti-vaxxer propaganda promotion sites.

You need to stop posting this dangerous rubbish.

[Servo]

We have been offered the Pfizer vaccine through work, under 1b. This is extended to my wife and two young adult children. All this information about clots and medical issues with CASA etc. really does have me second guessing whether I should subject my family and myself to possible problems.

[kingRB]

The Coroner's report on the Physical Therapist's death revealed she had diabetes and congestive heart disease.

Ryan Cole is a quack who has been frequently debunked (https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/not-all-coronaviruses-are-seasonal-contrary-to-pathologist-ryan-coles-claim-covid-19-vaccines-are-effective-at-preventing-illness/).

David E Martin is a quack and a conspiracy theorist (https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ridiculous-theory-virus-owned-from-1999/4082954/).

The Phaser and Vaccine Reaction are anti-vaxxer propaganda promotion sites.

You need to stop posting this dangerous rubbish.

Dre the problem is your "fact checker" Flora Teoh "debunking" someone is political in itself. She's from a wealthy Chinese family and has ties to many hard left political outlets and so called authorities. Her job literally is to monitor and control political discourse related to science.
She's not a medical Doctor and not qualified any more than anyone else to make assertive statements or interpretations on data. Health feedback.org claiming they are non partisan is laughable.

At this point all that's going on here is people pointing to the team they prefer - so lets stop pretending you're posting factual information over someone else, and drop this pathetic argument from authority fallacy.

[dr dre]

Dre the problem is your "fact checker" Flora Teoh "debunking" someone is political in itself. She's from a wealthy Chinese family and has ties to many hard left political outlets and so called authorities. Her job literally is to monitor and control political discourse related to science.
She's not a medical Doctor and not qualified any more than anyone else to make assertive statements or interpretations on data. Health feedback.org claiming they are non partisan is laughable.

At this point all that's going on here is people pointing to the team they prefer - so lets stop pretending you're posting factual information over someone else, and drop this pathetic argument from authority fallacy.

She's a part of IFCN. Worked for organisations that have received funding in part from Bill Gates, The WHO, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, a Singaporean technical university and the Singaporean Science Department. I guess in a conspiracy theorist's mind that makes her "far left". I guess in an anti-vaxxer's mind the opinions of anyone associated with government or or universities or who has been involved with research funded in part by big businesses should be excluded as they're "far left". That would basically rule out every legitimate scientist, and only leave the "truth tellers" huh?

Well let's see who else thinks Ryan Cole (a guy who specialises in skin conditions) and David E Martin (a financier and economist) are quacks?

Chief Medical Officer at a Hospital who's treated Covid patients (https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/ceo-st-lukes-fact-checks-doctors-anti-vax-claims-idaho-statehouse/277-28e346f7-dd40-4dfc-9cbe-d8edbf576c34)

Multiple Infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makes-baseless-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/)

Multiple professors and law specialists who debunk the claim the virus was "patented" (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/new-plandemic-video-peddles-misinformation-conspiracies/)

Stop pretending it's a 50/50 "both sides are equal" argument. There are legitimate medical and scientific voices. And there are quacks.

The "argument from authority" logical fallacy is actually what the anti-vaxxers do. Take the opinions of a guy who diagnoses skin conditions and a economist over the overwhelming body of epidemiology and infectious disease expertise.

[dr dre]

We have been offered the Pfizer vaccine through work, under 1b. This is extended to my wife and two young adult children. All this information about clots and medical issues with CASA etc. really does have me second guessing whether I should subject my family and myself to possible problems.

Facts:

2.2 million doses administered Australia.

Pfizer negative reactions
One case of anaphylaxis in a person with a history of anaphylaxis
One case of a blood clot in a man with a history of DVT.

AZ negative reactions
4 cases of non fatal clots, link to vaccine or underlying conditions undetermined
2 cases of fatal clots in a person with diabetes and the second case where the TGA determined no link between vaccine and clots (up to 50 people per day report to Emergency Rooms in Australia with serious blood clots)

Out of 2.2 million vaccines, the majority of which were AZ.

So no deaths due to AZ proven to been caused by the vaccine in those without underlying conditions, and in those with underlying conditions it's about 1 in a million, so less chance than the risk of dying in a car crash, drowning, falling off a ladder, being hit by lightning or being murdered.

And you're eligible for the other one anyway.

[turbantime]

There needs to be thumbs up and thumbs down reaction buttons to posts. Dr Dre, 👍🏽 from me.
Anti-vaxxers, and conspiracy theorists in general, can’t be reasoned with.
Here’s an interesting podcast which was recorded pre-covid, figure out which side of the fence you sit on: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dfqn

[kingRB]

She's a part of IFCN. Worked for organisations that have received funding in part from Bill Gates, The WHO, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, a Singaporean technical university and the Singaporean Science Department. I guess in a conspiracy theorist's mind that makes her "far left". I guess in an anti-vaxxer's mind the opinions of anyone associated with government or or universities or who has been involved with research funded in part by big businesses should be excluded as they're "far left". That would basically rule out every legitimate scientist, and only leave the "truth tellers" huh?

See the problem is you keep quoting these references like it legitimizes or non politicizes what she writes. I can at least see that politics can be influencing this - you and your bias can't - yet you keep posting like its fact.


Stop pretending it's a 50/50 "both sides are equal" argument. There are legitimate medical and scientific voices. And there are quacks.

The "argument from authority" logical fallacy is actually what the anti-vaxxers do. Take the opinions of a guy who diagnoses skin conditions and a economist over the overwhelming body of epidemiology and infectious disease expertise.

Why do you keep trying to conflate questions or contradictory evidence as "anti vaxx" and shut down conversation? It's intellectually lazy and a standard identity politics crap that's prolific these days. Do you genuinely believe people can't possibly hold a position that vaccines are a valid scientific process yet have concerns about a new one?

[dr dre]

See the problem is you keep quoting these references like it legitimizes or non politicizes what she writes. I can at least see that politics can be influencing this - you and your bias can't - yet you keep posting like its fact.
Why do you keep trying to conflate questions or contradictory evidence as "anti vaxx" and shut down conversation? It's intellectually lazy and a standard identity politics crap that's prolific these days.

I'll list the roles of those quoted in the articles I used to debunk the claims posted by the Skin Doctor and the Financier, including the article you believe is "hard left politics":

an infectious disease researcher at Colorado State University
clinical research fellow in viral immunology at the University of Cambridge
professor at Emory University’s School of Medicine
Chief Medical Officer at St. Luke's Health Systems
assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania
associate professor of immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health
professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
infectious disease physician at Stanford Health Care
chair in population health and professor of epidemiology at the University of Pittsburgh
researcher at Johns Hopkins University
senior scholar and senior scientist at the Center for Health Security
director of the CDC
HRSA spokesman
assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida
director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
a professor in the College of Law at the University of Utah (to debunk that Covid patents existed prior to the pandemic)

Are they being "intellectually lazy" or sprouting "hard left identity politics"?

Do you genuinely believe people can't possibly hold a position that vaccines are a valid scientific process yet have concerns about a new one?

Concerns have to be founded in reality backed up by scientific and medical consensus. Not rubbish like "mRNA vaccines are gene therapy" sprouted on this thread.

[Foxxster]

I have posted this link before. It is for the official UK yellow card vaccine reporting. Ie any and all adverse reactions to covid vaccines. Details for astra and Pfizer. Remember the UK has administered tens of millions of jabs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

[stickshaken]

Lots of reactions there that will take away your class 1 medical certificate.
And they are only the reported reactions.

[dr dre]

Lots of reactions there that will take away your class 1 medical certificate.
And they are only the reported reactions.

"Lots of"??

The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event

Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time.

The overall reporting rate is in the order of 3 to 6 Yellow Cards per 1,000 doses administered for the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccines.For all COVID-19 vaccines, the overwhelming majority of reports relate to injection-site reactions (sore arm for example) and generalised symptoms such as ‘flu-like’ illness, headache, chills, fatigue (tiredness), nausea (feeling sick), fever, dizziness, weakness, aching muscles, and rapid heartbeat. Generally, these happen shortly after the vaccination and are not associated with more serious or lasting illness.

No, not "lots of" reactions that will take your Class 1 Medical away.

[DHfan]

You've given the cranks more ammunition by mentioning Bill Gates.
There are a horrifying number of imbeciles here who are convinced he's behind the vaccine in order to inject everybody with some sort of bio-chip in readiness for a new world order.
There are also some loonies who think the jab alters DNA, and others, I think largely among the Asian community, who think it causes sterility after 12 months.

[morno]

Dr. Dre

I'm glad things are coming up roses Down Under. And I'm glad you have a nice pair of Rose Colored Glasses on to view the world around you.

In the US and the rest of the world, they've been issued under EUA because there were no human tests done on them. Rather, the human tests are being done on a massive scale, on the public. As of about 3 weeks ago here in the US, more than half the population, 175 million out of 330, have been jabbed. Because no such gene-editing drugs have ever been administered to humans before, we are in uncharted territory. We have nothing to go on.

The few animal tests done with the drugs here in the US were done only on rats, and they quickly noticed that the pregnant rats lost their pregnancies. Apparently these dangerous cocktails have a strong influence on the placenta, as the same thing has happened here in the US to pregnant women, they lost their pregnancies.

So keep those Rose Colored Glasses fixed firmly to your face, because in the next 6 months or so it's very likely the stuff will be hitting the fan.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the advantage to taking a dangerous experimental shot to supposedly protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate. It doesn't make sense to me.

To Australopithecus, I'm sorry I rained on your parade. Life can be cruel you know, and too many times the bloody truth can be painful.

I’m starting to think that maybe some gene therapy might be a good thing for people like you, to, you know, increase the IQ of the gene pool from which you came :rolleyes:

The US is the modern day Roman Empire, teetering on the edge of self destruction because of the stupidity of some (not all, but enough) of its population, tied up with the obsession that people are trying to take their toys (guns) and make them eat their vegetables (get a vaccine).

Good luck to you all. I’ll get the jab and live happily ever after.

[turbantime]

Facts:

2.2 million doses administered Australia.

Pfizer negative reactions
One case of anaphylaxis in a person with a history of anaphylaxis
One case of a blood clot in a man with a history of DVT.

AZ negative reactions
4 cases of non fatal clots, link to vaccine or underlying conditions undetermined
2 cases of fatal clots in a person with diabetes and the second case where the TGA determined no link between vaccine and clots (up to 50 people per day report to Emergency Rooms in Australia with serious blood clots)

Out of 2.2 million vaccines, the majority of which were AZ.

So no deaths due to AZ proven to been caused by the vaccine in those without underlying conditions, and in those with underlying conditions it's about 1 in a million, so less chance than the risk of dying in a car crash, drowning, falling off a ladder, being hit by lightning or being murdered.

And you're eligible for the other one anyway.
Some more data:
3000 Australians die per week.
50 Australians per day develop blood clots.

Eventually enough people will be vaccinated and fall into one of the above cohorts, and the media will sensationally report it, which will then fuel hesitancy and the anti-vaxxer rhetoric.

[cattletruck]

I think like most things it's much easier to think of the Covid-19 vaccination in terms of risk.

Not having the vaccination increases the community risk. For a small but not insignificant percentage of the population Covid-19 is a death sentence. It need not be.
Having the vaccination carries a very small risk that you will be crippled for life or even die. It need not be but this is because the vaccine is new and not fully tested.

Now to put this risk in perspective.

Driving a vehicle carries far more risk of permanent injury or death to yourself or someone else (community). If you walked into a car dealership and the salesperson started off telling you about all the risks involved in driving a vehicle you would probably decide the risks are just way too high and walk out.

Back to topic.

Those that got the vaccine, were you allowed to pick which arm got injected, was the derriere an option?

[Car RAMROD]

Back to topic.

Those that got the vaccine, were you allowed to pick which arm got injected, was the derriere an option?


yes please, back on topic.

it’d be nice to keep this thread to the intended purpose and not have it go off on the pro or anti vaccine tangents.


yes I got to pick which arm. Didn’t ask about the behind though.

[ruprecht]

...were you allowed to pick which arm got injected, was the derriere an option?

Yes on the choice of arms, both of mine were in the left.

I wouldn’t drop your daks without warning them first.

[DHfan]

Derriere certainly wasn't offered or suggested here and I haven't heard of it as an option.

Whether it would be available on request is a different matter but as it would mean a private appointment rather than the current mass vaccination system, I would imagine it would only be if there was a genuine medical reason.

[turbantime]

Derriere certainly wasn't offered or suggested here and I haven't heard of it as an option.

Whether it would be available on request is a different matter but as it would mean a private appointment rather than the current mass vaccination system, I would imagine it would only be if there was a genuine medical reason.
Yup, there is a medical reason. Bum contains more fat which has a dampening effect on the immunological response.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118997/

[DHfan]

When we're trying to vaccinate billions of people in as short a time as possible, that's not a reason to take at least five times as long on every jab.
If it was that important, why have I never heard of vaccinations - against anything - anywhere other than an arm?

[kingRB]

Are they being "intellectually lazy" or sprouting "hard left identity politics"?


well done for completely missing my point. I didn't say all your references were hard left. I said Teoh was a dubious reference that has clear political spin and vested interests that have nothing to do with science.
Keep posting more references though :rolleyes:

[Asturias56]

having posted on here a couple of times about lack of reaction to the shots from everyone I know - in all fairness I have to report a lady I know locally (female early 40's) had an Astra Zeneca first shot at the weekend and spent 36 hours with a full set of 'flu symptoms - aches, headache, not eating, sleeping etc etc. Then it was like switching the light back on and she rejoined humanity within 30 minutes apparently and is totally normal.

The quack reckoned that younger folk have stronger, working anti-immune system

[C441]

How far away is the headline…..
"Vaccinated driver dies in high speed crash"……" the driver, who had been vaccinated the previous day with the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, was seen behaving erratically at the Bandywallop Hotel before he drove off, later leaving the road and colliding with a tree at high speed."

[Asturias56]

" It washhh the vyrusshhh oisssifer, it wash really - I do like your neat hat, giz a kiss"

[cloudsurfng]

Pfizer x 2

so far the only side effect is even more disdain for moron anti vaxxers.

[cattletruck]

Would a glass of wine or three assist in getting through the doldrums should there be any annoying side affects? Does the immune reaction care if you're a bit tipsy or not? Is there any professional advice against going down this path whilst remaining in the safety of your own home?

[DHfan]

The temperance cranks said don't drink for a couple of days before and afterwards but a UK medical authority said there's no evidence alcohol lowers the vaccine's effect.

Presumably it's only been checked for in moderation, and not for a skinful...

[Kelly Slater]

Getting back to the Post topic, I had my first dose of the second class citizens' vaccine on Tuesday PM. I am a healthy and fit 62 without ever having had an adverse or allergic reaction to anything other than the antimalarial Fansidar. After 30 minutes, 15 minutes after leaving the vaccine centre, a headache set in. It became progressively worse and I took a couple of Panadol a few hours later. Headache continued and I developed a congested feeling in my head but without any phlegm or snot type issues, that is it felt like cold symptoms but without the cold.
When I went to bed that night, I began uncontrollable and violent shivering for about an hour. The shivers settled down a little to normal type shivering that persisted until about 4 in the morning at which time my body temperature finally felt almost normal. At that point, I would have gone to the hospital but I live remotely and no doctor is available without a two hour drive. The headache persisted. Wednesday, I was fatigued and felt as bad as I ever had. By this stage, I still had the headache but also now was suffering from a complete lack of sleep. Woke this morning feeling fine.

[Capn Bloggs]

Kelly,
The quack reckoned that younger folk have stronger, working anti-immune system
Consider yourself young! :)

[Gnadenburg]

Would a glass of wine or three assist in getting through the doldrums should there be any annoying side affects? Does the immune reaction care if you're a bit tipsy or not? Is there any professional advice against going down this path whilst remaining in the safety of your own home?


The night before my first jab, I organised a fine wine tasting in Hong Kong with medical professionals. I don’t believe there was any science to suggest problems with alcohol and the vaccination. My second jab was late March, I had a few wines watching the footy and barely any side effects.

Perhaps quality wine thins the blood? Helps against clotting? LOL that’s my “science”.

Hong Kong has a magnificent vaccination scheme. Slick and efficient. Uptake has been poor due to political resistance ( thumbing government since you can’t throw Molotov Cocktails these days ) and superstition or anti-vax lack of logic. Other factors being there’s no need to vaccinate due low cases and not allowed to travel anyways. Stock market up and property market up so most doing well enough to be selfish and lack urgency.

After all the BS virtual signalling with masks to protect your neighbour, an Asian courtesy so the community claimed, now they have a real opportunity to protect their neighbours but now way! Asses- just awaiting similar Aussies.

[WingNut60]

My wife & I both just had our first jabs at our local clinic / medical centre in Perth - AstraZenica.
Administered by nurse but overseen by doctor.
Both feeling fine so far and so are we.

Doctor spent a little more time with my wife (Asian) asking her to tell all of her friends that it was a non-event.
I'm guessing because there is a perceived or observed reluctance or indifference to vaccination within the Asian community.

If it all turns to crap later today then one of us will let you know.

[Servo]

Myself, wife and two adult children had our first Pfizer dose last Friday. Quite a number of people at Westmead getting the same. All of us had a sore arm for 24 hours and thats it so far. Next jab in 3 weeks.

[Ascend Charlie]

Had the first AZ shot last Thursday, sore arm for a day, no other effects a week later. Non-event.

[cattletruck]

The night before my first jab, I organised a fine wine tasting in Hong Kong with medical professionals. I don’t believe there was any science to suggest problems with alcohol and the vaccination. My second jab was late March, I had a few wines watching the footy and barely any side effects.

Perhaps quality wine thins the blood? Helps against clotting? LOL that’s my “science”.

Hong Kong has a magnificent vaccination scheme. Slick and efficient. Uptake has been poor due to political resistance ( thumbing government since you can’t throw Molotov Cocktails these days ) and superstition or anti-vax lack of logic. Other factors being there’s no need to vaccinate due low cases and not allowed to travel anyways. Stock market up and property market up so most doing well enough to be selfish and lack urgency.

After all the BS virtual signalling with masks to protect your neighbour, an Asian courtesy so the community claimed, now they have a real opportunity to protect their neighbours but now way! Asses- just awaiting similar Aussies.

Many thanks Gnadenburg for the considered response. I shall now formulate a plan along with the company of a few nice and smooth red ones. I haven't been asked to get vaccinated yet so it may prove difficult to stick to the plan.

[DHfan]

Second AZ jab yesterday afternoon. Very slightly sore arm, it feels like a bruise, but nothing else.
I'm mildly aggrieved - I didn't feel a thing after the first jab!

[Clare Prop]

First AZ yesterday. Felt a bit hot a few hours later but fine this morning, slight discomfort on my arm.

[rich34glider]

1st AZ jab on the 12th - sore arm, mild headache, some body aches - on the 19th I had a bit of a fever and another headache (all good with paracetamol) - so far, so good.

[Cat3508]

1st AZ on the 18th, never felt a thing, no sore arm or other side effects. Have to get the flu shot in 2 weeks. My GP then said that I will be getting anti pneumonia shot as well. Didn't know that such a thing existed.

[WingNut60]

1st shot on 19th (see above) and no noticeable effect.
2nd day - like a mild hangover. Tired and feeling a bit fuzzy. Arm a bit tender if you poke it. Wife complaining of body aches. Early to bed and good night's sleep.
3rd day - arm still a bit tender, otherwise all seems back to normal.

[73to91]

1st Pfizer 23rd Apr at RPA Sydney - no issues at all.
2nd shot 14th May at 09:00 - sore arm for that day and next.

Wife and 1 daughter have had their 1st Pfizer with no issues at all.

Get out & get it.

[DHfan]

My GP then said that I will be getting anti pneumonia shot as well. Didn't know that such a thing existed.

Neither did I until I had a letter from my GP five years or so ago. It had never even crossed my mind that it would be something you could have a shot against.

[t_cas]

Neither did I until I had a letter from my GP five years or so ago. It had never even crossed my mind that it would be something you could have a shot against.

it is the pneumococcal vaccine, to reduce developing pneumonia.
All information available on government websites.


https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/pneumococcal-disease


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[cloudsurfng]

Second Pfizer shot. Slight soreness in the arm, less than the first shot, even less than something like a tetanus shot. No biggie at all.

been waiting for the washed out, fever/chills etc to kick in. Have a good day of movies and footy (the proper kind with a sherrin...) to watch.

nothing more than a very slight headache which was knocked over with a few panadol. The wife says it’s jobs around the house, looking after the kids today. Footy will have to be catch-ups on Kayo.

really no big deal

note. 2 reds and a scotchy scotch last night about 5 hours after the injection :ok:

[jolihokistix]

Japan finally starting the great rollout. (There must be some athletics event approaching.)

Had my Pfizer #1 yesterday, among the very first batch following medical staff nationwide. Slept well, but my upper arm feels as if I must have hit a cupboard knob yesterday. No headaches, nothing so far.

I wrote to my doctor to ask if there was anything in my case files that worried him, and he gave me a clean slate. He also kindly gave me an account of what the general reactions of the doctors and nurses in his hospital had been to their double packs.

[Angle of Attack]

Did the Flu Influenza shot, 2 weeks later phizer and 3 weeks later second Pfizer. Sore arm for a day after the Flu shot, absolutely no effects from the Pfizer, or second phizer. I am now fully vaccinated, feels good.

[Double_Clutch]

Im getting 5G reception after my vaccination

[Bull at a Gate]

Got my first AZ today. No pain but am feeling a bit shivery 12 hours later. I was expecting this as the same happened to my wife, her sister and brother-in-law. A small price to pay!

[C441]

Got my first AZ today. No pain but am feeling a bit shivery 12 hours later.
Likewise, I had my AZ on Monday morning and had a bout of feeling shivery 12 or 14 hours later. For the 24 hours after that I felt, for the first time in 14 months, very lethargic I could not sleep for more than a couple of hours at a time - just like the days after back-to-back-to-back LHR trips. Now, 48 hours after the shot, I feel back to non-working normal.

[mattyj]

Am I getting this straight...some of you got vaccinated even though you had the actual virus...??

[dr dre]

Am I getting this straight...some of you got vaccinated even though you had the actual virus...??

Yes. Scientifically valid. Natural immunity as a consequence of contracting Covid is unpredictable, for some no detectable antibodies are produced, for some they fade quickly.

Why you should get a COVID-19 vaccine – even if you’ve already had the coronavirus (https://theconversation.com/why-you-should-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-even-if-youve-already-had-the-coronavirus-155712)

[turbantime]

Both Pfizer jabs done. Sore arm for about a day-and-a-half for both, woke up with a mild hangover after 2nd shot which was fixed by coffee. Glad to have it done going into winter with f*ckers coughing and sneezing around me (have had flu vaccine too).

[galdian]

First AZ 30 hours ago, so far no downsides at all.

What did surprise me was how small and painless the injection was, see stuff on TV and looks like syringes from the 1800's - and taking forever to complete the injection when the reality is a couple of seconds tops.
For anyone not crazy about injections at the best of times TV programs really should be more honest as the picture they present would put off some and it appears the Melbourne shutdown has made people realise the only way forward for now is to vaccinate.

[mince]

Zero shots taken, feel fine.

[cattletruck]

What did surprise me was how small and painless the injection was
I think if done correctly then that's the typical outcome. There are many on here who have posted experiencing a sore arm, and after seeing a number of images on TV of people being jabbed with the needle going in much more deeply than others, I would not be surprised by this.

[mattyj]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

long lasting immunity the old fashioned way barring unexpected variants. Also alarming amounts of Myocarditis when MRNA vaccine interacts with natural immunity. Sounds scary to me.

[A320 Glider]

Had the first Pfizer jab yesterday.
Woke up this morning with a slight sore arm which has now subsided after a few hours.

I hear the second one is a bit worse the morning after. A shot of coffee or vodka should do the trick.

I have heard of some side effects including fatigue, headache, brain fog, fever and sore back. These can last 1-7 days.

[Propstop]

First Astra shot, sore arm and a little off but now back to normal.

[kiwi grey]

Had the first Pfizer jab on Saturday, very quick & easy and painless.
Sore arm yesterday, all good today

[Liklik balus]

Had the second Astra jab yesterday, felt the first jab go in, no side effects; the second totally painless and NO side effects.....I'm ready to go, open the border!!

[compressor stall]

Had the second Astra jab yesterday, felt the first jab go in, no side effects; the second totally painless and NO side effects.....I'm ready to go, open the border!!

You've still got 14 days until maximum efficacy from Jab 2.

[Double_Clutch]

Having either single or both shots, still don’t excuse you of the quarantine requirements of each state…. *sigh* Enjoy Howard Springs!

[Xeptu]

First AZ dose 5 days ago and nothing, nothing at all, I've had worse mosquito bites, I was surprised actually the needle is very fine barely noticeable.

[t_cas]

The point of a vaccine is to elicit an immune response. Therefore mild symptoms should be expected.
Many posts reflect this. Others miss the point.
indeed if pilots are the respondents, it is a good discussion on awareness of potential threats to performing your work and holding a medical.
The actual injection itself (ouch or not) is a mute point.
Ditto The flu vaccine.

[redsnail]

Checkboard had his 2nd AZ jab a couple of days ago. Mild redness at the jab site. No other side effects.
My turn next week.
It can't come too soon as the Indian variant is gaining a foot hold but so far, no increase in fatalities. Yet. (UK)

[blubak]

First AZ dose 5 days ago and nothing, nothing at all, I've had worse mosquito bites, I was surprised actually the needle is very fine barely noticeable.
1st jab for me yesterday,also noticed needle very fine,all done before i even thought about it,no side effects so far👍

[Foxxster]

Posted this in another thread but this is more appropriate.

early days but potentially very disturbing.

https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge

[AerialPerspective]

My Dad is 86, got his first AZ jab on something like 27th March, second one on 24th April.
Absolutely ZERO side-effects whatsoever. He remarked to me that the worst part of the whole thing was the boring 15 minutes he was required to wait before he walked back home.
Having my first AZ on Monday, was booked somewhere else for Sunday but got the run around (I haven't been to a Doctor for about 6 years) as they wanted a 'health summary' from a previous doctor - I rang a place I had one followup visit to 6 years ago after a small and pretty insignificant op and they said I was still on the system and to come in on Monday.
Meanwhile, elsewhere in my city there are mass vaccination hubs and I'd bet that everyone in the queue is NOT clutching a 'health summary'.

[jolihokistix]

Second shot approaching. Planning to offer the opposite shoulder. Nothing quite like spreading out the old poisons, eh?

[NaFenn]

AZ (1st dose) - had really bad fever and chills the night of the shot, however no issues after 24 hours other than a sore arm for a couple of days. 2nd dose is due in about 5 weeks

My father who is in his 70s had the AZ about 2 weeks after me with no side-effects.
Had my second dose a few days ago in the same arm - No side efffects at all.

[kingRB]

Posted this in another thread but this is more appropriate.

early days but potentially very disturbing.

https://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge

did some digging around as this seems pretty alarming as described - yet when you look at the paper being referenced, one of the lead Dr's / scientists of this study is publicly stating mRNA vaccine in this instance is working as described.
The study: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075

Dr. Byram Bridle's claims are directly refuted by Ogata's own response here:
https://twitter.com/ogataalana/status/1395558518753792000?s=21

So makes me wonder what the real story is here? Why is Bridle quoting a study that proves the opposite of what he's claiming?

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Same experience as many others here......

First 'AZ' Jab Mon 31st May, thought 'that's a small needle',
T'was in / out ....NIL reaction at all.
Second Jab due in 12 weeks. = 223rd Aug.

Go get it!

Cheers.

[SIUYA]

AZ #1 on 20th May. Sore arm for a few days, and some chills on day 2 but after that all OK. AZ#2 booked for 12th August.

[blubak]

1st jab for me yesterday,also noticed needle very fine,all done before i even thought about it,no side effects so far👍
Had few shivers on 2nd afternoon but very mild,as someone else posted 'go get it'
Look at what people who are getting chemo are going through & we dont get the media hype on that.

[TimmyTee]

So makes me wonder what the real story is here? Why is Bridle quoting a study that proves the opposite of what he's claiming?

Because he is completely wrong:
https://byrambridle.com/
Here's a website setup to counter all his incorrect and misleading claims, using scientific research to back each one.

The fact his first and main claim about toxic spike protein in the vaccine spells doom for his credibility, given they don't even exist in mRNA vaccines...

Bridle has also testified against the effectiveness of masks, against lockdowns, and against the "experimental" vaccines (which he reasons are unnecessary with his proposed treatment – ivermectin).

Says it all really - he is clearly awake while all of us sleep..

[Foxxster]

Because he is completely wrong:
https://byrambridle.com/
Here's a website setup to counter all his incorrect and misleading claims, using scientific research to back each one.

The fact his first and main claim about toxic spike protein in the vaccine spells doom for his credibility, given they don't even exist in mRNA vaccines...

Bridle has also testified against the effectiveness of masks, against lockdowns, and against the "experimental" vaccines (which he reasons are unnecessary with his proposed treatment – ivermectin).

Says it all really - he is clearly awake while all of us sleep..

thanks for posting that. His credentials seemed on the surface ok, but alas he is another loon by the sounds of it. Which makes you wonder how he is still employed at the university.

[finestkind]

There’s no reason to favor one vaccine over another. MLADEN ANTONOV/AFP

Novavax

Efficacy rate: 96%

Structure: Two-dose

Availability: Not authorized yet.



Pfizer-BioNTech

Efficacy rate: 94%

Structure: Two-dose

Availability: FDA-authorized; 200 million shots by July





Moderna

Efficacy rate: 94%

Structure: Two-dose

Availability: FDA-authorized; 300 million shots by July





Johnson & Johnson

Efficacy rate: 72%

Structure: One-dose

Availability: FDA-authorized; 200 million shots by summer





AstraZeneca-Oxford

Efficacy rate: 62 percent

Structure: Two-dose



Availability: Authorized in Europe, the U.K. and part of Asia

However, a number of countries have halted giving the AstraZeneca vaccine following reports of blood clots in some inoculated people. As of Friday, eight countries have paused the use of AstraZeneca shots: Norway, Iceland, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Thailand.

[MickG0105]

However, a number of countries have halted giving the AstraZeneca vaccine following reports of blood clots in some inoculated people. As of Friday, eight countries have paused the use of AstraZeneca shots: Norway, Iceland, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Thailand.
That list of countries that have supposedly paused the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine doesn't look right. AZ was still being administered in Iceland last week, it is being manufactured under licence in Thailand, you can still register for an AZ vaccine in Luxembourg, and it's still available in Bulgaria as it is in Estonia but only for over 50s.

[AerialPerspective]

Just had AZ first jab this morning.

Absolutely no side-effects so far it's quite a few hours since, was early this morning - someone said that it was a small needle - I didn't even feel it the gauge of the needle was so small.

[blubak]

Just had AZ first jab this morning.

Absolutely no side-effects so far it's quite a few hours since, was early this morning - someone said that it was a small needle - I didn't even feel it the gauge of the needle was so small.
My reaction was exactly the same,evening of 2nd day got some shivers but only mild.
20000+ doses a day in victoria currently,you can be sure if there was even 1 bad reaction out of that many it would be the subject of every radio talkback show in existence.

[CharlotteAnderson]

Had my pfizer and despite some tiredness today I have been fine, my partner had the AZ and just a sore arm. Can't wait to be fully protected.:ok:

[TimmyTee]

Why would those who claim to have made a personal choice not to take the vaccine, come and post on a thread that clearly is intended for those who've had the jab to share side effect info?

[jolihokistix]

Had my pfizer and… Can't wait to be fully protected.:ok:

No one is fully protected, just more arms and armo(u)r.

In the dentist’s just now and proudly announced I’d had my first Pfizer, and the second would be this Friday. His wife (at reception) looked up and said, “The second one is worse.”

”Oh, thanks for that!” I said in my best deflated Japanese.

[ElZilcho]

The worst reactions do seem to be after the 2nd jab, just from anecdotal evidence of talking to people I know.

After my 2nd Pfizer, I got a headache and cold sweats for a few hours that night. Eventually fell asleep and woke up feeling fine the next morning. Reported it as part of the data collection and no doubt was recorded as an “adverse reaction” which others will use in an attempt to scare people (there’s a few anti-vaxx fliers going around which love to quite these numbers).

[DHfan]

Everybody is different so I don't think it's possible to generalise at all.

My other half was absolutely shattered on the day after her AZ jab, not too bad on the following day and fine the day after. 2nd jab no problem of any sort.
My first jab was fine, I only knew which arm it was because I watched him do it, 2nd jab mildly sore arm for a day or two.
We know somebody else who spent the whole of the day after the first jab being sick, but nothing after 2nd jab.
My sister munched ibuprofen for a few days after the first jab because her arm was so painful, 2nd jab nothing. Brother in law nothing after first jab, 2nd jab a headache for nearly a week.

I can't see a pattern...

[Lessnessman]

Phase 3 trials are complete and approval has been given for the use of some vaccines, not all.
Safety monitoring continues until 2023 or 2022 depending on the manufacturer, Pfizer or Moderna. Safety monitoring is normal practice for all vaccines and does not constitute a trial per se.
As far as I can determine the trial phase is over, engaging a competent lawyer will help .

Incorrect:

Manufacturing, safety and quality control of vaccines (who.int) (https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/manufacturing-safety-and-quality-control)

[Less Hair]

Not a medic myself but I was told some reaction indicates your body's immune system is responding as intended. Very old people tend to show almost no reaction for this reason.
Had the second biontech jab yesterday and could tell arm it went into but nothing else.

[Troo believer]

Flatulence. Shedding lots of virus particles:)

[grottyyottie]

Yup, get the jab. Pfizer was fine, two jags and antibodies are good and tested monthly by the UK ONS with blood tests and the usual covid swab tests. If only the anti vaccine groups and the 'at risk' ethnics groups would join the programme, we would be much better placed to move on and open up the travel.
That really does slow things up over in the UK etc.
I would have to celebrate with a monster evening at the Bourbon and Beefsteak at Kings Cross, if it is still there.

[morno]

:ugh::ugh::ugh:​​​​​​​:ugh:​​​​​​​:ugh:​​​​​​:ugh:​​​​​​​

And I breathe the same air as you, what a waste.

Do you go to all that trouble for a tetanus shot too?

[Servo]

Had second pfizer jab yesterday. Arm sore where injection was. Woke up with aches all over.

[Gnadenburg]

I’ve survived Victorian Government quarantine with negative COVID tests. I was fully vaccinated in April and repatriated from a relatively low risk country.

My quarantine hotel was loaded up with those from high risk countries and positive cases were likely. Ventilation was poor in my room though hallway issues appeared to be addressed.

Happy I was vaccinated as being from a safety sensitive role there seemed gaping holes in the gold standard. Staff were very professional and courteous with many former long haul or airline staff. Perfectly suited for the role.

[Gnadenburg]

What’s your realistic chance of a fully vaccinated person passing COVID to their fully vaccinated family member who has a compromised immune system?

Versus the scenario where neither are vaccinated? The main personal reason I vaccinated was for this scenario where I thought from my research the chance COVID fatality reduced significantly .

[FGD135]

Then you've got whackjobs like blow.n.gasket and FDG135 above who scare the **** out of me that my family and friends might be onboard one of his or her aircraft one day..How old are your family and friends, Timmy? If they're younger than 60 they have more to fear from the flu.

[rich34glider]

Valiant attempt. 😝

“attempt discredit the other opinion maker personally....not the opinion mind, the opinion maker.”

“check.....mate”
”proving my point for me checklist complete”

I don't know STW, it does sound a LOT like you & Gnadenburg are actually doing exactly this in your reply?the sharing of one's point of view on a social or political issue, often on social media, in order to garner praise or acknowledgment of one’s righteousness from others who share that point of view, or to passively rebuke those who do notEveryone else is just sharing factual information and actual experience?

[Asturias56]

"How old are your family and friends, Timmy? If they're younger than 60 they have more to fear from the flu."

they may be but what about all the older and weaker folk they're going to infect? Anti vaxers are all about ME and never talk about US

[Less Hair]

Just look at China. New blood tests after arrival in HKG, new neighborhood lock downs in Guangzhou. We are far from being over it. Getting vaccinations can't be wrong. However in therory almost everybody would need one to prevent the virus mutating.

[ChrisJ800]

Im in Tas and been waiting 4 weeks to get my AZ. Finally got it 2 days ago. No affect on me but the wife has now been off work 2 days with fever.

[AerialPerspective]

Im in Tas and been waiting 4 weeks to get my AZ. Finally got it 2 days ago. No affect on me but the wife has now been off work 2 days with fever.

I posted earlier that my Dad (86) had suffered no side-effects from AZ.

I had mine on Monday and posted the same, however, in the last day or so I have noticed muscular pain and tenderness (perhaps even a little swelling also) around the injection site but nothing else.

[finestkind]

Two different views. Like Covid who, what do you believe.

And even a fully vaccinated person can still play host to an evolving virus, in situations where the vaccine prevents illness but still allows a virus to replicate. That appears to happen even with the most effective COVID-19 vaccines. So, viral evolution doesn't just occur in the time between shots.


But researchers say that as more and more people get vaccinated it will rob the virus of its ability to mutate.

[Stick Flying]

And there is evidence that the vaccinations appear to have killed many elderly (another thing you wouldn't know about.

Where is this evidence? I'm not aware of any incidents of "the vaccinations" (I am assuming you are talking about the Covid-19 vaccine) killing many elderly. All medications have a level of risk. It is up to the end user to determine whether the benefits outweigh the risk.

[redsnail]

In the UK there are many little villages that were wiped out after the various plagues that swept through Europe. Ironically, the plagues helped end serfdom etc as the landowners now had to pay to get folks to work the land.
I digress.
Jab 2 of AZ done yesterday. Happily no side effects (unlike Jab 1). Just a mildly sore arm at the jab site. Unfortunately for travel in the UK, our boofhead of a prime minister and his lackeys are just determined to ruin summer travel plans.

[Duck Pilot]

Just had my second jab today with no side effects.

G’day Redo!
Cheers Plugga 😀😀😀😀

[john_tullamarine]

Another small addition to the stats. Wife and I had AZ No. 1 yesterday morning - nothing of any note to relate.

[SOPS]

Mrs SOPS had AZ two weeks ago. Not even a sore arm. Mine is next week.. will report back.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

AZ Thurs Arvo, fatigue by the evening, slight fever and back ache, eye ache the next day. Flattened all day, very fatigued, starting feeling better 24 hours later. Seem to be over it now.

[jolihokistix]

Update from here. Just had *BioNTech 2nd shot last evening. Painless. Almost no after effects. Slight soreness in upper arm, but even less than the first shot.

*Pfizer is a misnomer I was assured.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Had AZ no 1 on Mon 31st May, 12 days ago.
Nil effect / reaction at all....apart from the slight 'drippy' nose cold for last two days.
But ... I reckon I may have got that from 'Grandie'.

Go For It!.

[ZFT]

AZ first shot 2 days ago. No adverse reactions

[coaldemon]

Both shots of AZ done and no reaction. Nada.

[kiwi grey]

My parents - ages 100 and 95 - both had both AZ shots back in April at their Rest Home.
The major side effect is that Mum is now able to Go Shopping for the first time in over a year :D

[Lessnessman]

thanks for posting that. His credentials seemed on the surface ok, but alas he is another loon by the sounds of it. Which makes you wonder how he is still employed at the university.


Dr Byram Bridle Canadian Vaccine Expert - WE MADE A MISTAKE - (covidtruths.co.uk) (https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2021/06/dr-byram-bridle-canadian-vaccine-expert-we-made-a-mistake/)

[dr dre]

Dr Byram Bridle Canadian Vaccine Expert - WE MADE A MISTAKE - (covidtruths.co.uk) (https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2021/06/dr-byram-bridle-canadian-vaccine-expert-we-made-a-mistake/)

Are you aware that the current lead story on that website is this?:

Chemtrails and the Poisons They Contain (https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2021/06/chemtrails-and-the-poisons-they-contain/)

[Lessnessman]

Are you aware that the current lead story on that website is this?:

Chemtrails and the Poisons They Contain (https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2021/06/chemtrails-and-the-poisons-they-contain/)


The Source is youtube Broadcast, that is the Subject to watch.

Covid-19 Expert Panel: The Path Forward for Canadians - TrialSite Webinar (trialsitenews.com) (https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-expert-panel-the-path-forward-for-canadians-trialsite-webinar/)

Dr Byram Bridle Canadian Vaccine Expert - WE MADE A MISTAKE - (covidtruths.co.uk) (https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2021/06/dr-byram-bridle-canadian-vaccine-expert-we-made-a-mistake/)

It's raining lotteries in Hong Kong! COVID-19 vaccination can get you Tesla car, gold bar (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/netflix/its-raining-lotteries-in-hong-kong-covid-19-vaccination-can-get-you-tesla-car-gold-bar/ar-AAKRSUG?ocid=BingNewsSearch)

California's COVID-19 vaccine lottery offers cash prizes - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com) (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-28/how-california-covid-19-vaccine-lottery-works)

Vaccination lottery: a peek at the US$1.4 million flat aimed at moving the needle in Hong Kong’s fight against Covid-19 | South China Morning Post (scmp.com) (https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3137094/vaccination-lottery-peek-us14-million-flat-aimed-moving-needle-hong-kongs)

VAERS - Report an Adverse Event Step 1 (hhs.gov) (https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/EsubController)

Apparently 1% of Vaccine injuries are entered into the US date base VERS, why? Five pages of data entry per patient.

Trust but Verify.....

[Gnadenburg]

The phrase useful idiot has been coined on this thread.

The discrediting of Western government by state sponsored or controlled influencers and netizens has proliferated.The bottom end of hybrid or grey zone warfare. Fake news triggering wild conspiracy theories undermines our style of governance. Now I'm not suggesting our country right or wrong, but here's a tip. To avoid being "Lenin's Useful Idiot" if a website isn't familiar or a source not so well known, to avoid peddling Kremlin disinformation or a wacko CCP netizen building social credits, play internet sleuth with your sources.

So I googled Dr Byram Bridle........

A strong Australian economy in the next few years is so important. Recovering industries, ravaged by COVID, will lend to prosperity and full employment. Our prosperity will need to include supporting and developing our closet neighbours. Further afield we will forge closer security and economic ties and ward of economic coercion and sabotage.

Fractured, divided and a nation run as dysfunctionally as Victoria will suit the CCP. Without firing a shot they can do what the Imperial Japanese Navy could not do in 1942. Isolate the Western Pacific.

So get vaccinated or prepare your children and grandchildren to not only pay off the debt of the last 12 months, but also live under the ominous shadow of tyranny, not for a few years like your grandparents early in WW2, but for decades.

[Buttscratcher]

….so, just a regular run of the mill idiot then.

[TimmyTee]

Dr Byram Bridle Canadian Vaccine Expert - WE MADE A MISTAKE - (covidtruths.co.uk) (https://www.covidtruths.co.uk/2021/06/dr-byram-bridle-canadian-vaccine-expert-we-made-a-mistake/)

Any website purporting to present scientific fact, that has their header containing a bible (or any other religion’s) verse is an instant pass, and I hope that’s the same for all other rational thinking people.

To then scroll down and see a non-pisstake article on Chemtrails is the nail in the coffin.

Again, if you are a commercial pilot, needing to make fact based decisions to keep punters alive, I do worry.

[SOPS]

Well I am 12 hours into having AZ. Did not feel the needle.. arm not sore .. feeling great .Will update in the morning .

[AerialPerspective]

Any website purporting to present scientific fact, that has their header containing a bible (or any other religion’s) verse is an instant pass, and I hope that’s the same for all other rational thinking people.

To then scroll down and see a non-pisstake article on Chemtrails is the nail in the coffin.

Again, if you are a commercial pilot, needing to make fact based decisions to keep punters alive, I do worry.

Well said.

It's no surprise that most QAnon followers are religious - they have been conditioned to believe **** that is made up and for which there is zero evidence. The other people that follow it are uneducated morons for which the only surprise is that they have not fallen for some man in the sky fallacy yet.

I am not a pilot but when I fly, I want my pilot to be using their skills, experience and judgement and airmanship, not saying a f-cking prayer.

[mattyj]

Scientism is the new religion..it requires total faith..will accept no scepticism..and has high priests and demands large offerings of public funds.

bow down

[mattyj]

I have every vaccine available to mankind..so do my kids..but this is new technology and I never buy the first model of anything..

​​​….y’all get the vaccine, I’m observing. I might get it next year. I never wanted to be a test pilot

[No Idea Either]

mattyj

mRNA technology/development has been around since the early 90’s.........

[DHfan]

And I understand the AZ jab doesn't use that technology anyway.

[bekolblockage]

Had first AZ jab 3pm last Saturday. Hardly felt a thing.
Went out for dinner with family. 2 light beers.
No symptoms at all when I went to bed.
Woke at 3am, aching all over and uncontrollable shivering. I don’t know if I’ve ever had proper flu before - maybe once- (most people say they’ve got the ‘flu’ but I’ve heard it said that if you feel like you’re going to die, it’s not the flu. If it’s really flu you WANT to die)- but it felt the same.
Went back to sleep eventually and woke 3 hours later feeling about 90% ok.
By lunchtime had forgotten I’d even had it.

[No Idea Either]

DHfan

You are right. AZ uses the old ‘time tested’ viral vector process. Similar process to all your childhood vaccinations. It’s quite interesting when you read about it all, both the vaccine techniques. Plenty of reputable information online. I’ve had the Pfizer vaccine, slight headache for a few days after the second shot (I was going to write something about 5G nanochips but decided to not stoke the fire :}:}:})

[ruprecht]

(I was going to write something about 5G nanochips but decided to not stoke the fire :}:}:})

You don’t need to write it down, the towers automatically collect your negative thoughts. :rolleyes:

[mgahan]

Had my first AZ shot nearly three weeks ago and there's been an ongoing problem ever since; the black dot placed on my thumb nail to show I'd been vaccinated spooks me whenever it enters my peripheral vision, for example, when lifting a coffee cup to my mouth or as my hands move quickly across the keyboard, and I reach for the insect spray to kill the bug.

Apart from that everything, body wise, has been normal. With my age and current isolation I've not been able to check on the reproductive side but I'm assured by various folk without those issues that they have only had positive or no effects in that genital area.

MJG

[rich34glider]

I have every vaccine available to mankind..so do my kids..but this is new technology and I never buy the first model of anything..

​​​….y’all get the vaccine, I’m observing. I might get it next year. I never wanted to be a test pilot

So if a wing fell off your aircraft and you had a Mk.1 parachute available (that had been tested with a 99.9% rate of success) you wouldn't use it because .. see above. Interesting!

[Qwark]

So if a wing fell off your aircraft and you had a Mk.1 parachute available (that had been tested with a 99.9% rate of success) you wouldn't use it because .. see above. Interesting!

So am I correct in understanding your argument here? A wing falling off = 100% chance of death. So the experimental parachute would be used even if its safety data showed it as being 0.1 % successful as you have no other options.

Not really a sensible comparison with mattyj. We have a virus that is 0.01% chance of severe symptoms and a vaccine with similar chance of severe side effects, and you think its not sensible to sit back a wait to see a little more data? When did having another opinion to you become so offensive?

[SOPS]

Felt like I have a bad cold all day. And tired. And a very sore arm. Taken a sick day tomorrow . Panadol makes me feel better.

[megle2]

24 hours since AZ first shot, didn’t feel needle at all, so far all good.

[Lessnessman]

Any website purporting to present scientific fact, that has their header containing a bible (or any other religion’s) verse is an instant pass, and I hope that’s the same for all other rational thinking people.

To then scroll down and see a non-pisstake article on Chemtrails is the nail in the coffin.

Again, if you are a commercial pilot, needing to make fact based decisions to keep punters alive, I do worry.

Here's some cosmic religion for you:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pD92lps3vcHJ/

[WingNut60]

No AstraZeneca for under 60s, Hunt confirms (https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-only-for-60-and-over-confirms-greg-hunt-ng-b881903439z)Health Minister Greg Hunt has confirmed the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine will only be recommended for Australians aged 60 and over. (https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-only-for-60-and-over-confirms-greg-hunt-ng-b881903439z)


Which leaves people 50 - 60 who have had their first shot where exactly?

It is important you get the same type of COVID-19 vaccine. This is because the evidence from clinical trials shows this is effective and is what is approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (https://www.tga.gov.au/) (TGA).

[Foxxster]

Which leaves people 50 - 60 who have had their first shot where exactly?
to have their second shot of Astra…

I have to say the whole AstraZeneca thing has been and continues to be an utter farce. Every country seems to have its own age cutoff, I understand everyone over 18 is having it in Germany.

[WingNut60]

to have their second shot of Astra…

I have to say the whole AstraZeneca thing has been and continues to be an utter farce. Every country seems to have its own age cutoff, I understand everyone over 18 is having it in Germany.

Please don't jump to conclusions.
Remember that the latest edict infers that A-Z is no longer considered safe for under 60's.

Or is that just SOME under 60's.

[Foxxster]

Please don't jump to conclusions.
Remember that the latest edict infers that A-Z is no longer considered safe for under 60's.

Or is that just SOME under 60's.


not jumping to conclusions. They are saying take the second shot if you have had the first if aged between 50 and 60.

“People aged under 60 who have also had the first jab without any issue, are advised to get their second dose despite the new health advice, as the risk of complications falls drastically.”

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-recommended-only-for-people-aged-60-and-above/3697502f-eec6-4739-80d5-59233d07c9ec

[WingNut60]

not jumping to conclusions. They are saying take the second shot if you have had the first if aged between 50 and 60.

“People aged under 60 who have also had the first jab without any issue, are advised to get their second dose despite the new health advice, as the risk of complications falls drastically.”

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-recommended-only-for-people-aged-60-and-above/3697502f-eec6-4739-80d5-59233d07c9ec
OK. Thanks.
That was not stated explicitly in the bulletin that I saw earlier.

But I also concur......it's a bl..dy shambles.
There is nothing wrong with adjusting policies as events unfold and experience is gained.
But I do not believe anyone should be making proclamations based on "medical advice" when it is seems very likely the decisions are actually being based on expediency.

[DirectAnywhere]

to have their second shot of Astra…

I have to say the whole AstraZeneca thing has been and continues to be an utter farce. Every country seems to have its own age cutoff, I understand everyone over 18 is having it in Germany.

If there was widespread community transmission in Australia everyone would be having it here too. This is simply a by-product of the fact there is no significant community transmission in Australia, therefore the risk of complications from AZ currently exceeds the risk from COVID.

Two deaths from some 3.6 million doses administered, while tragic for those concerned, is inconsequential from a public health perspective, particularly when compared to the risk from a significant COVID outbreak. ATAGI has basically looked at the numbers and said, as things CURRENTLY stand in Australia, the risk of complications from AZ for those under-60 exceeds the risk of catching novel coronavirus and subsequently suffering severe health consequences.

If there was a large scale outbreak in Australia, similar to those overseas, the public health advice would change again in line with the risk of morbidity from COVID and once people understood the relative risk they'd be lined up for whatever they could get.

[mattyj]

Those two people didn’t die FROM the vaccine anyway..they died WITH the vaccine

[DHfan]

It seems the European declarations regarding the dangers of the AZ vaccine were started by Macron in France who apparently has been reading up on viruses and vaccines and now considers himself a world-leading expert.
As far as I know he's got no scientific background or training but Merkel immediately agreed with him and I believe she is a qualified scientist of some sort.

[Square Bear]

Those two people didn’t die FROM the vaccine anyway..they died WITH the vaccine

REALLY...and your source for that is?

Sounds like the "reports that those that died didn't die from Covid, but died with it.

Throw a lines don't cut it IMHO (for either arguement).

[mattyj]

Missed with both the sarcasm and the irony..never mind..I’ll keep trying