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paros
20th Mar 2021, 13:37
By how much (sessions) can a FTD-1 and FTD-2 reduce the FFS session requirements?
Can a high quality touchscreen procedure trainer suffice?
B737 & A320.

Thanks

gipsymagpie
20th Mar 2021, 21:06
I don't think anything less than an FTD 2 is going to get you any credit, but I think FTD 3 is really going to cut any time off an FFS.

A touchscreen unit is not going to qualify as the controls wouldn't work in the same way (effort required, range of movement etc). See CS-FSTD and CS-FCD. That's for EASA at any rate - I think FAA rules are more permissive but I don't have enough knowledge of that regulatory environment to expand further.

ZFT
20th Mar 2021, 23:17
I don't think anything less than an FTD 2 is going to get you any credit, but I think FTD 3 is really going to cut any time off an FFS.

A touchscreen unit is not going to qualify as the controls wouldn't work in the same way (effort required, range of movement etc). See CS-FSTD and CS-FCD. That's for EASA at any rate - I think FAA rules are more permissive but I don't have enough knowledge of that regulatory environment to expand further.

An FTD1 with touchscreens and no flight controls can be qualified as such and can be used and credited as per the relevant OSD. Obviously no handling exercises but for systems etc a good training tool.

Worth reading NPA2020-15 as the regulations governing lower level devices are being significantly revised by EASA

gipsymagpie
21st Mar 2021, 06:49
An FTD1 with touchscreens and no flight controls can be qualified as such and can be used and credited as per the relevant OSD. Obviously no handling exercises but for systems etc a good training tool.

Worth reading NPA2020-15 as the regulations governing lower level devices are being significantly revised by EASA
Ah, this is another fixed wing Vs helicopters discrepancy - my apologies, I thought rules were the same. You cannot get any credit at the moment for anything less than an FTD2 in the helicopter world towards type ratings. See AMC2 FCL.725(a). Which is annoying given how much training benefit we would get from a desktop avionics training suite

paros
21st Mar 2021, 08:07
Thank you all for response. Much appreciated 😊