Major/Legacy/LCC Hiring

[zondaracer]

Frontier has just announced plans to hire with new hire classes in summer or fall of 2021.

[bafanguy]

Here's a blurb about Frontier:

https://www.aerotime.aero/27013-Frontier-restart-hiring-pilots

[bafanguy]

Interesting that Frontier is doing this under present circumstances. Maybe just getting ahead of the game ?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/atp-flight-school-forms-pilot-160000650.html

[Climb150]

It's a press release so almost like free advertising. Frontier just took 140 million in stimulus so while it's nice that they "plan" to hire and have just inked some sort of flying school tie up, until classes start again I wouldn't get too excited.

[Climb150]

Interesting that Frontier is doing this under present circumstances. Maybe just getting ahead of the game ?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/atp-flight-school-forms-pilot-160000650.html

It's not a guarantee of a job. A very small fraction will be hired by frontier, but it will attract a large number of students. Sounds like a win for ATP and nobody else.

[bafanguy]

...until classes start again I wouldn't get too excited.

I certainly won't. :ok:

[zondaracer]

Spirit just announced in an internal company email that new hire classes will be held starting in March, 24 new hires per class.

[zondaracer]

JetBlue Hiring Update:

JetBlue's CEO and Pilot Recruitment team to meet with prospective applicants online tomorrow at 4pm eastern, for a hiring/growth projection update as well as a Q&A.

Registration: https://j.mp/3pNJXFk
ACN JetBlue Grid: https://j.mp/3pJXXjE

[pfvspnf]

Spirit ? Any chance?

[bafanguy]

Spirit ? Any chance?

Not sure what you're asking.

[Sunrig]

FWIW Spirit is hiring 400 pilots and upgrades 170 FOs to CAs this year according to an internal memo.

[bafanguy]

FWIW Spirit is hiring 400 pilots and upgrades 170 FOs to CAs this year according to an internal memo.

FYI:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/8890.html

[bafanguy]

FYI...ABX Air hiring:

https://abxair-jobs.com/jobDesc.asp?JobID=617&i=&source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

This is encouraging news:


"United Airlines on Thursday told staff it will soon begin hiring hundreds of pilots — a process the airline was forced to halt when coronavirus pandemic devastated travel demand last year, according to an internal email reviewed by CNBC."

"The Chicago-based airline is the first of the large U.S. carriers to announce it will resume pilot hiring, the latest sign it's preparing for a recovery."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/united-airlines-tells-staff-its-hiring-hundreds-of-pilots-next-month-as-carrier-plans-for-a-travel-recovery/ar-BB1fdp6l

[bafanguy]

I suppose this is related to legacy hiring at UAL via their Aviate Program. Not sure what it says about UAL's faith in future pilot supply from historic sources:

https://simpleflying.com/united-5000-new-pilots/

[bafanguy]

An extensive website covering UAL's Aviate program:

https://unitedaviate.com/?source=SkyJobs.com

[zondaracer]

American Airlines is now hiring.

[bafanguy]

American Airlines is now hiring.

Z,

Too early to know where these hundreds of new hires will come from ? Flows from regionals with the usual small percentage of OTS ?

[zondaracer]

Z,

Too early to know where these hundreds of new hires will come from ? Flows from regionals with the usual small percentage of OTS ?

There are already candidates in the hiring pool with conditional offers and those who interviewed but did not receive a job offer because the pandemic was creating uncertainty. These individuals will be contacted and flow throughs will also be placed in classes per contractual stipulations. Precovid, AA did announce that they were planning on increasing the number of OTS non military and reducing the flows by a few percentage points.

[bafanguy]

Atlas Air B737 F/O:

https://pilotcareers-atlasair.icims.com/jobs/3851/pathway-to-success--first-officer-737/job?iis=Social+Networks&iieid=po16189252675297ba99&mobile=false&width=913&height=500&bga=true&needsRedirect=false&jan1offset=-360&jun1offset=-300&fbclid=IwAR0iZh2YWvUzv3YKQmzuKDKbAkAtz9RJhU1CA_iMoBNsslyXHFf 97ZU-kco

[bafanguy]

Today, Delta announced they're starting hiring. Classes in June will be composed of those who had previous conditional job offers (CJO). Off-the-street(OTS) interviews will begin "later this year".

Update: Apparently, there are 75 people with CJOs who will be sent to class in June, July and August. Beyond that, OTSs will be entertained.

[bafanguy]

News from Allegiant:

"Allegiant Air plans to hire 184 pilots in the coming months, a nearly 19 percent increase to the company’s current roster of approximately 1,000 pilots."


https://worldairlinenews.com/2021/05/11/allegiant-is-hiring-184-pilots-in-response-to-increasing-travel-demand/

[bafanguy]

Latest from Southern Air, B737 F/O:

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=1a4c026b77fd3058&from=serp&vjs=3

[bafanguy]

This from Frontier Airlines. A new pathway for college students from college to Frontier. Not much detail but it appears to leave out the intermediate step of regional flying between CFI and the airline...or maybe I've overlooked something:

The careers page at Frontier specifies this:

"500 hours jet/turbo-prop"

https://www.flyfrontier.com/careers/pilot

"Prior to employment with Frontier Airlines, program participants will also need to be employed by Embry-Riddle as a flight instructor and must obtain the R-ATP required experience."

https://www.airlineapps.com/jobs/details.aspx?emp=Frontier-Airlines&job=Embry-Riddle-Pilot-Cadet


https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-launches-pilot-hiring-program-with-embry-riddle-aeronautical-university/

[bafanguy]

Delta has changed its interview process to streamline it a bit, adding an initial online assessment(whatever THAT is), and doing away with the Job Knowledge Test(JKT). They don't mention the cognitive testing so I don't know if that's still part of the game. Scoll down about halfway to see the video by the new manager of pilot recruitment:

https://www.facebook.com/deltapilotrecruiting/

[bafanguy]

Atlas goes headhunting:

https://www.aircargoweek.com/embry-riddle-aeronautical-university-first-school-to-join-atlas-airs-pathway-to-success-programme/

[MarkerInbound]

Guessing if Atlas gets any ERU r-ATP pilots they’ll be assigned the 737 doing domestic flying on Amazon and DHL scheduled flying and getting about 400 hours a year.

[bafanguy]

Guessing if Atlas gets any ERU r-ATP pilots they’ll be assigned the 737 doing domestic flying on Amazon and DHL scheduled flying and getting about 400 hours a year.

I'd be curious to know how many people Atlas gets from this particular program. I'd guess not a lot. And the 737 would be a good place to start them.

[bafanguy]

Delta still in the hunt. Another company in the pipeline system for Delta's Propel Program. The article says it's only gotten a dozen people to mainline. That doesn't seem like many:

"So far, more than a dozen Propel graduates have become Delta pilots."

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2022-07-22/wheels-delta-partner-pilot-pathway-program

[bafanguy]

Frontier Airlines forms a pipeline arrangement with a flight school. More details next month according to this article:

https://worldairlinenews.com/2022/07/28/frontier-airlines-launches-a-cadet-program-to-create-pathway-for-new-pilots/

[bafanguy]

And here are some Frontier cadet details:

https://www.flyfrontier.com/careers/pilot/f9-pilot-cadet-program/?mobile=true

[bafanguy]

Spirit Airlines announces a new pilot pathway program. Not many details like how one gets from 500 to 1500 hours to move to Spirit:

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/spirit-airlines-and-cae-launch-new-spirit-wings-pilot-pathway-program-for-aspiring-commercial-pilots-301656728.html

[bafanguy]

American Airlines casts a wider net:

https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-cadet-academy-partnership-spartan-college-aeronautics-technology/

[bafanguy]

This is entertaining. You can almost smell the desperation through your computer screen. But not to worry...seats will be filled and airplanes will be flown:

https://www.travelindustrywire.com/article123635.html

[bafanguy]

Interesting. I hope what I'm smelling here is desperation:

"Delta is expanding its recruitment strategy by offering jobs in the flight deck to full-time, active-duty U.S. military pilots up to two years before their retirement.

These conditional job offers can also be extended to Active Guard Reserve pilots in what is a significant expansion from the previous timeline of six months before retirement.

For all other military pilots, Delta will begin interview processes and extending conditional job offers to successful candidates one year before their availability date."


https://news.delta.com/delta-changing-hiring-process-active-duty-military-pilots

[bafanguy]

A bit more info on Spirit's headhunting effort:

https://worldairlinenews.com/2022/12/15/spirit-announces-a-partnership-with-l3harris-to-launch-the-new-spirit-wings-pilot-pathway/

[bafanguy]

A little trouble in paradise at UAL ?:

https://liveandletsfly.com/united-aviate-academy-allegations/

[bafanguy]

Stumbled across this data on US pilot hiring numbers by year and company. Goes back to 1990:



https://www.fapa.aero/pilot-hiring-history

[bafanguy]

Delta's pilot academy starts up:


https://worldairlinenews.com/2023/08/16/deltas-propel-academy-officially-opens-to-bring-young-aviators-another-way-to-the-flight-deck/

[TinFoilhat2]

Is Frontier still hiring E3 visa pilots and/or sponsoring green cards?

[bafanguy]

Is Frontier still hiring E3 visa pilots and/or sponsoring green cards?


T2,

Apparently they are taking E3s but in pretty small numbers. See post # 3006 in this thread:

https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific/567072-australian-pilots-can-work-us-regionals-151.html

[bafanguy]

United shakes the bushes a little harder:

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news/article/united-launches-leading-program-to-provide-active-duty-u.s.-military-pilots/

[bafanguy]

So, a little "churn" going on ? Entertaining:

https://airlinegeeks.com/2023/12/20/the-low-cost-carriers-pilot-attrition-problem/

[bafanguy]

Delta mandatory age-65 pilot retirements. Looks pretty good. They've announced a reduction in hiring for 2024; only 80+/- per month:

https://skift.com/2023/12/30/delta-slows-down-pilot-hiring-for-2024/



Delta retirements as of Dec seniority list:

2024 - 508
2025 - 542
2026 - 521
2027 - 470
2028 - 483
2029 - 513
2030 - 556
2031 - 497
2032 - 478
2033 - 398
2034 - 390
2035 - 353
2036 - 377
2037 - 360
2038 - 374
2039 - 329
2040 - 405
2041 - 383
2042 - 443
2043 - 447
2044 - 531
2045 - 599
2046 - 594
2047 - 564
2048 - 597
2049 - 602
2050 - 506
2051 - 436
2052 - 475
2053 - 441
2054 - 396
2055 - 381
2056 - 298
2057 - 291
2058 - 273
2059 - 272
2060 - 197
2061 - 179
2062 - 149
2063 - 95
2064 - 36
2065 - 13

[bafanguy]

Interesting stats:

"Additionally, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines hired a combined 57% of all pilots in 2023."


https://simpleflying.com/united-states-pilot-hiring-dropped-6-percent-2023/

[737pilotguy]

Interesting stats:

"Additionally, American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines hired a combined 57% of all pilots in 2023."


https://simpleflying.com/united-states-pilot-hiring-dropped-6-percent-2023/

Do you have an AA and UA list like that? Any inside details? ;)

[bafanguy]

Do you have an AA and UA list like that? Any inside details? ;)


If you mean a list of mandatory retirements, I'm afraid I don't. I just stumbled across the DL list. Not sure where to look for a current tally of AA or UA retirements. If I find any, I'll put them up here.

It's not exactly what you're looking for but here's some hiring history. They seem to update this regularly:

https://www.fapa.aero/pilot-hiring-history

[737pilotguy]

If you mean a list of mandatory retirements, I'm afraid I don't. I just stumbled across the DL list. Not sure where to look for a current tally of AA or UA retirements. If I find any, I'll put them up here.

It's not exactly what you're looking for but here's some hiring history. They seem to update this regularly:

https://www.fapa.aero/pilot-hiring-history

I appreciate it nonetheless. I found this at airline pilot central: https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/american_airlines
I don't know if it's up to date or where the information comes from. It seems that hiring these days is largely to replace the retirement numbers.

[bafanguy]

737pg,

Yes, I get the impression the data from APC isn't undated very often and therefore might not be accurate. I did a search of the AA threads on APC looking for a recent set of data but came up empty (or just have poor search skills).

[Sunrig]

I don't know if it's up to date or where the information comes from. It seems that hiring these days is largely to replace the retirement numbers.
It looks like Delta is slowing down hiring. The plan for United is to keep hiring big numbers for the next years both for retirements and significant growth. We’re planning to bring a lot of regional flying to mainline. In 2024 we are supposed to get every 2.6 days a narrow body aircraft. And starting in 2025 approximately 24 787 per year to a total of 150 787s. Those are replacements and growth for the 767s and the smaller 777s. The 757 will be replaced by 321s.

[Boomhauer]

Looks like Southwest is slowing down for the moment as well. Some new-hires had their classes pushed back, and upcoming interviews were canceled. Not sure yet when they'll resume.

[bafanguy]

It looks like Delta is slowing down hiring.

Sunrig,


Yes, apparently so. But judging from the number of calls my son gets for premium trips on his days off (sometimes several a day), they still need a lot more bodies. The frenetic pace of hiring in past years can't go on forever. But, cutting back to 1000/1100 a year is still pretty good; 2000/2200 a year is just nuts...but wonderful. :ok: