Adding an SEP and IMC to a UK PPL. What medical for issue?

[Mickey Kaye]

UK PPL with ssea rating. Needs to add an SEP rating and then an IMC rating. For the CAA to issue these what class of medical would be required?

[Stan Evil]

You have a UK NPPL - that's not the same as a UK PPL. SSEA ratings only appear on an NPPL. You can't put an SEP rating on your licence. You need to look at CAP804 to see if you meet the requirements to gain an EASA LAPL from your NPPL and then look at Part-FCL to see what you need to do to get from a LAPL to a full PPL and SEP rating. I don't think that there's a direct path from NPPL to full PPL.

[Mickey Kaye]

Thank you for your reply but it's not an NPPL it is a UK PPL with an SSEA rating on it.

[Whopity]

You don't need any medical to add a rating. The medical is required for licence issue. I appreciate that a SSEA rating can be included in a UK PPL however; I cannot think of a practical situation where this would occur.

[Kemble Pitts]

Thank you for your reply but it's not an NPPL it is a UK PPL with an SSEA rating on it.

Interesting...

My understanding was that SSEA was for NPPLs and SEP was for PPLs (CAA or EASA), and n'er the twain shall meet.

Is it that CAA FCL has either put the incorrect rating on the right licence, or the correct rating on the wrong licence? Or is there some other logic in play?

[topoverhaul]

I have seen the situation where an examiner has signed the rating page SSEA because the pilot at that point did not hold a Class 2 Medical Certificate.
I wonder if that is the case here?
An IMCR (on a UK PPL) or IR(R) on an EASA PPL definitely requires at least a Class 2 certificate to use.

[Whopity]

For some reason the CAA permitted a SSEA to be placed on both the NPPL and the UK PPL,(Schedule 8) but WHY? The only reason might have been to put one on a PPL SLMG issued pre the NPPL era! A UK PPL would have been issued with a Group A rating which included privileges for Aeroplanes and Self Launching Motor Gliders and Class D whilst it existed so there would be little point adding a SSEA.

An Examiner cannot change a rating on a licence and the medical has nothing to do with it.

To exercise the privileges of a rating you need a medical but not for administrative action to an existing licence.

[topoverhaul]

Although the regulation may not require a medical to add a rating, one can not progress to add a rating on the CAA e-licence platform without a valid medical. This is catching quite a few at present who are operating under the medical extension exemption.

[Whopity]

I am sure the website is not imune to a Regulation 6 appeal!

[Fl1ingfrog]

At some time during the historical mess we have had to live through since JAA and into EASA, many PPLs were adding an NPPL to their armory in order to benefit from the lessor medical demands of the 'Medical Declaration' should it become necessary. This was almost becoming a standard practice amongst older PPLs, who, at times may have been in and out of holding a class 2. A medical declaration kept them flying whilst class 2 problems were resolved.

From a hazy memory the CAA allowed an SSEA to be added to the UK PPL to obviate the need to have another licence, the NPPL. The SEPL is of course a JAA/EASA invention and i'm sure that at the time it was felt that the UK CAA could not grant an exemption against the need to hold a Class 2 medical. Adding the SSEA to a UK PPL solved this problem.

[Whopity]

Fl1ingfrog you are correct, I had totally forgotten that, it all occured at the time when the NPPL was forced upon FCL by GA Dept; they swept up the Microlight PPL and PPL SLMG into the same basket and made a total mess of it mixing ICAO and non ICAO licences and by not including NPPL privileges in higher licences. Prior to that licensing was quite simple.