Do you remember? - Emirates Covid-19 Ad

[Airbubba]

Nicely done. :ok:

https://youtu.be/IRoAQ3dmOUw

[slowjet]

Damn . Actually misty eyed. Gettin too soft for this lark !

[felixthecat]

Good video :)

[FatPilot]

And do you also remember when...

You could get annual leave
There was credit for annual leave
You had to be at the aircraft 15 minutes before you'd even "signed on" yet
The increment was paid each year without argument or subterfuge
They'd make billions and actually "profit share"
It wasn't a requirement to wear the uniform to the sim
Pilots were referred to and treated as "management"
Pilots would leave good airlines to come here


Just a few off the top of my head.

[Mr Mac]

A good video and much better and thought through than some of the others over the years. FatPilot , I know your conditions have changed out there, so can not comment on your points, but the video is not really just about EK, its aimed generally at most people undergoing this experience of lock down and I believe hits the mark quite well.
Kind regard
Mr Mac.

[Emma Royds]

I think the whole world has already said 'Enough, no more' but the tunnel is still pitch black as far as the eye can see!!

[uplock]

To much drinking Kool Aid
Fatty Nailed it

[Dropp the Pilot]

Can we have an award category for "Most tone-deaf, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?

There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.

You are worthless human beings.

[lansen]

Can we have an award category for "Most tone-dear, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?

There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.

You are worthless human beings.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/510x336/aceb324e10bb797ec061881347548226_7cced53e6cdb81dc0e88ae5b858 ec69d25576b55.jpg

[SOPS]

Don’t know Dropp. Imagine sitting in your free house .. being rung my crewing to be told you are going to operate a flight to London ... on half pay.. ( and by the way the UK PM may die)... but don’t worry, you can isolate for 14 days when you get back. Except your family can’t go anywhere and if you are cabin crew, you are sharing the apartment with 2 or 3 others . So I suggest a more balanced approach to this is needed. I for one, am glad I’m not sitting in Dubai... but I don’t blame others for sounding off.

( And I would love to know.. how many could get out if they could)

[14 6]

Can we have an award category for "Most tone-dear, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?

There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.

You are worthless human beings.

You are kidding, right!

[nolimitholdem]

( And I would love to know.. how many could get out if they could)

Do you mean "get out" as in resign, or get out as in leave the UAE during the panicdemic?

Even at half pay, not sure resigning would be a great move in a, um, rather unfriendly global job market. And not everyone wants to play with trains. How's that going? Are you getting at least 50% salary?

Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.

You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a bit incredible.

Incidentally, correction to your statement that the UK PM may die. He WILL die, so will all of us. But it appears that BoJo will make it, out of the ICU now.

[14 6]

Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.

You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a .

Be under no illusion, the status quo has more to do with self interest, rather than righteousness!

[Springbok614]

Sitting at home with no pay and having to pay housing, medical and schooling in full... I would not mind sharing that apartment with 2! :O

[FatPilot]

Thank you mmbop for bringing it back to reality. I didn't have the energy to reply to hysterics but Dropp is back on his meds now so possibly no need anyway. Other airlines have cut to half pay or no pay, according to their circumstances. If EK bosses are paying out of the kindness of their hearts I will convert.

tossing crap at the airline who has your backWhat does that even mean, "has your back"? They keep the slaves close to hand on half pay (which for the average family is coincidentally about the right amount to pay the bills) putting the cash right back into their own economy and ready to man the oars at the first sign of recovery. To paraphrase TCK, it's truly a "cost-neutral adjustment".

Remember when?? It's not like it's been six years of world war or a decade of occupation. It's been a number of weeks. Frankly I find the shameless opportunism sickening, not uplifting. Dropp, are you one of the ones on no pay but wished you'd stayed for half pay?

[14 6]

This has nothing to do with looking out for their workforce. It is about saving Dubai.

If they reacted in the same rational manner that other airlines have, & cut the workforce in order to save cashflow and hence give the company an opportunity to survive, then every Expat would run to their home country for good. They would leave Dubai faster than a sprint, and Dubai would implode. They know it, and they know they have to keep the Expats in Dubai or it will all come crashing down faster than it ultimately will anyway. It is a roll of the dice by the rulers. They have to spend money they simply can't afford to, in order to try and keep the show on the road, keep expats in country spending, keep the bluff real and pray that it ends sooner rather than later so the entire place doesn't come crashing down.

Retrench expats - like they NEED to - and Dubai disappears. This is purely self interest - don't try and sell it any other way.

Could not have said it better myself!

[The Outlaw]

Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.

You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a bit incredible.




I believe there will be a few factors at play for Middle East expats in the medium to long term.

1. The resumption of flights will be slow. Most likely there will be limits set by various governments to the number of daily flights they will allow.

2. The load factors will likely be very small for quite some time. Remember, people will just have come out of a couple months ( maybe many months ) isolation and fear of this virus. I expect many people will be asking the inevitable question "do I really need to, or can afford to sit in a 500 seat petrie dish only inches away from others" ? Yes, there will be those who travel out of necessity but I suspect tourism, hospitality and non-essential travel will be dramatically impacted for up to a couple of years.

3. Survival of the fittest. Nothing comes cheap or free on the UAE. This is the time for the two UAE carriers to merge operations, especially at a time where leases and other obligations can be broken under the banner of "global pandemic". Streamlining UAE passenger traffic will be the only way to remain profitable. You can rest assured that many airlines will be doing the same. This means is that many expats will be forced home anyway because the locals aren't going anywhere.

4. The future of the A380 is tough call. With cheap fuel and its attractiveness to passengers, it may be able to keep a place in the fleet to some degree. This at least is positive.

5. Sadly, the UAE in my opinion is on borrowed time. EXPO, which was supposed to help dig the UAE of of the sand will be a flop. Oil will remain cheap for quite some time to come and property values are heading toward the basement or already there. The next few weeks will be interesting as we might just start seeing long term unpaid leaves being offered or some sort of package for the over 57 crowd but as it stands right now, one couldn't leave the UAE even if you wanted to. In any case, life won't be the same after things start again. I believe that movements will be restricted until such time as a vaccine is found.

Time will tell.

[Springbok614]

Is Dubai the airline or is the airline Dubai?

[SOPS]

I can’t see where passengers will
come from.

India is out. Africa is out. USA is out. Australia is saying the borders will be shut ( probably) at least to the end of the year. Indonesia is facing a crisis of huge proportions.

And then.. will people want to hub through Dubai and mix with people from who knows where? Can’t see it myself.

Things are going to look very different at the other end of this. I can’t see a huge load of people wanting to go to Dubai for an expo. I can’t see people wanting to travel en mass until there is a vaccine.

Lets wait and see.

[SOPS]

To add to my post.. the Australian Government has just said no international flights until 2021

[DCS99]

To add to my post.. the Australian Government has just said no international flights until 2021

Source mate?

[SOPS]

Just watching the nightly updates from the PM. Will try to find a link.

[NightVMC]

Just watching the nightly updates from the PM. Will try to find a link.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/australia-wants-ensure-there-are-two-airlines-after-shutdown

it is written in there..
Australian travelers are not expected to be able to head overseas until at least the end of this year, although there may be easing of restrictions on interstate movement in the months ahead, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.

[SOPS]

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/australia-wants-ensure-there-are-two-airlines-after-shutdown

it is written in there..
Australian travelers are not expected to be able to head overseas until at least the end of this year, although there may be easing of restrictions on interstate movement in the months ahead, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.


Thanks for that

[bringbackthe80s]

Guys all the new generations want to do is travel travel travel. Give it a bit of time and it’ll be fine.

When the governments are faced with starving masses locked down for weeks and weeks, they too will rethink the travel bans.

[EchoKilla]

I’m not sure what dreams everyone is having about a major comeback to going on Instagram vacations. This bloody virus has reached the corner of the globe thanks to incubator airplanes. In face EK is the one who gifted NZ their first positive and spread it across the country

and you are all telling me that UAE has the lowest rates in the world. Their economy is on the verge of collapse - begging India and Pakistan to take back their citizens. Think about that for a moment

no one is going on holidays for a while. Millions of people are out of bloody jobs, their least concern is holidays on Emirates.

people really need to stick their head out of their bums and look around at what on planet earth is going on??????

[SOPS]

I’m not sure what dreams everyone is having about a major comeback to going on Instagram vacations. This bloody virus has reached the corner of the globe thanks to incubator airplanes. In face EK is the one who gifted NZ their first positive and spread it across the country

and you are all telling me that UAE has the lowest rates in the world. Their economy is on the verge of collapse - begging India and Pakistan to take back their citizens. Think about that for a moment

no one is going on holidays for a while. Millions of people are out of bloody jobs, their least concern is holidays on Emirates.

people really need to stick their head out of their bums and look around at what on planet earth is going on??????

The Australian Government has repeated tonight.. do not expect to be allowed to travel internationally before 2021.

Like Echo.. I fail to see where all these international holidays are going to appear from.

[PanAmFalcon]

People won’t travel for holidays but I would expect business men and students to travel this summer. There will be some flying. The world cannot shut it doors for too long without falling into a crisis of a different kind

[bringbackthe80s]

The Australian Government has repeated tonight.. do not expect to be allowed to travel internationally before 2021.

Like Echo.. I fail to see where all these international holidays are going to appear from.

If governments take this standpoint then I struggle to see how many sectors of society will be able to cope. Shall be interesting. Probably good for pensioners and future generations. For those of us who need to put bread on the table, not so much.

[MataMoros]

Can we have an award category for "Most tone-deaf, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?

There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.

You are worthless human beings.

this reflects my sentiments for the many years that I have grown to truly despise the spoiled prima donnas that do nothing but bitch and moan, believing they are indispensable to the imperfect world of aviation.
Kudos to you!

[Emma Royds]

I personally will reserve any praise or gratitude for my employer, until after we have navigated through these turbulent times. Whilst I am obviously appreciative to still be employed when some others in the industry are not so lucky, there is still no light at the end of the tunnel and the toll this virus will take on the company and the industry, is still unknown to a great degree.

Many legacy airlines around the world are retiring aircraft earlier or are placing newer airframes into long-term storage, with the largest types most likely to be culled. EK has the highest average seat count per aircraft than any other airline has in the world, which is a great accolade to have when you can find the passengers to fill your aircraft but it places it at a distinct disadvantage in times of weaker demand for travel. Whilst it is comforting to see that the state announced two weeks ago that there will be some form of equity support, the fact that it has reached this stage highlights that EK is no more immune to the unpredictable times that lie ahead, than any other airline is.

How our management performs in the months ahead will bear a direct correlation as to what type of airline there will be in the years ahead, along with if there will be any long term sacrifices to our terms and conditions. Once the dust has settled, then I will be only too happy to express my gratitude to my employer, should it be deserved but until then, the jury is still deliberating.

On a side note, the silence from STC is remarkable given the unprecedented times we are in!

[The Outlaw]

I personally will reserve any praise or gratitude for my employer, until after we have navigated through these turbulent times. Whilst I am obviously appreciative to still be employed when some others in the industry are not so lucky, there is still no light at the end of the tunnel and the toll this virus will take on the company and the industry, is still unknown to a great degree.

Many legacy airlines around the world are retiring aircraft earlier or are placing newer airframes into long-term storage, with the largest types most likely to be culled. EK has the highest average seat count per aircraft than any other airline has in the world, which is a great accolade to have when you can find the passengers to fill your aircraft but it places it at a distinct disadvantage in times of weaker demand for travel. Whilst it is comforting to see that the state announced two weeks ago that there will be some form of equity support, the fact that it has reached this stage highlights that EK is no more immune to the unpredictable times that lie ahead, than any other airline is.

How our management performs in the months ahead will bear a direct correlation as to what type of airline there will be in the years ahead, along with if there will be any long term sacrifices to our terms and conditions. Once the dust has settled, then I will be only too happy to express my gratitude to my employer, should it be deserved but until then, the jury is still deliberating.

On a side note, the silence from STC is remarkable given the unprecedented times we are in!

STC has NO idea what he is doing in this type of environment, he only has the ability to spout how "we just do it better" when times are good. Let's just see how "we just do it better" works when he effectively needs to cull about 40% of the workforce just to stay in the game for the next 2 years.

Time to let the German do what actually needs to be done...assuming he is still there.

[Capn Rex Havoc]

Haven't heard much from sheik mo either.

[Jack D]

[QUOTE=The Outlaw;10750324]STC has NO idea what he is doing in this type of environment, he only has the ability to spout how "we just do it better" when times are good. Let's just see how "we just do it better" works when he effectively needs to cull about 40% of the workforce just to stay in the game for the next 2 years.

Time to let the German do what actually needs to be done...assuming he is still there.[/QUOTE

No he left the building a few months ago ... can,t imagine why !

[EchoKilla]

[QUOTE=The Outlaw;10750324]STC has NO idea what he is doing in this type of environment, he only has the ability to spout how "we just do it better" when times are good. Let's just see how "we just do it better" works when he effectively needs to cull about 40% of the workforce just to stay in the game for the next 2 years.

Time to let the German do what actually needs to be done...assuming he is still there.[/QUOTE

No he left the building a few months ago ... can,t imagine why !

STC is always pretty when things go well. He can’t bluff in covid so he’s going to bow out in June and take his cash when he can. The German left 15 months ago - he would not change or cannot change this mess of an instagram airline. It’s all on Adel and Adnan now. Will pull the straw soon to decide. Too bad pprune is banned in Dubay or possible publish banned like the EchoYankee down the street.

40% is the wishful thinking but they are dreaming of less. Did anyone see the BA EK incident couple days back. That’s what happens when you pay 1700 dirhams a month in wages to push back a 1.2 billion dirhams aircraft

jokes on you (the ones who decided to take the 50% salary cut) and hoping to fly to Chennai weekly.....

EK is already begging banks to loan on top of sheikh Mo support. Sheikh mo and son are safe and sound - wait till amnesty international can’t be paid and start leaking the outbreaks that’s already showing up in Al Ras, Naif (heck all of Deira) and the labour camps - as I said they are begging pakistan and India to take back their citizens and pop up hospitals in WTC?? Hmmmm if all is well why do u need to have pop up hospitals. Did anyone check that they claim they conducted 750K covid tests but only 5K covid potisive - that makes uae the safest country by default. That itself is a clear clear lie.....
be safe hope u reading this

[donpizmeov]

The Echo was not a particularly successful Submarine.

Your observation about number of confirmed virus suffers to tests done is in error. The UAE has been almost paranoid in its testing. I know crew that have been testes 5 times, due to flights, all results were negative.

Where other countries are only testing where other symptoms of infection are present, the UAE has been testing a far wider community group. This is why the rate of positive results is less.

I don't mind people telling what it is really like here, but this weird conspiracy stuff just ain't right.

QUOTE=EchoKilla;10751712]

STC is always pretty when things go well. He can’t bluff in covid so he’s going to bow out in June and take his cash when he can. The German left 15 months ago - he would not change or cannot change this mess of an instagram airline. It’s all on Adel and Adnan now. Will pull the straw soon to decide. Too bad pprune is banned in Dubay or possible publish banned like the EchoYankee down the street.

40% is the wishful thinking but they are dreaming of less. Did anyone see the BA EK incident couple days back. That’s what happens when you pay 1700 dirhams a month in wages to push back a 1.2 billion dirhams aircraft

jokes on you (the ones who decided to take the 50% salary cut) and hoping to fly to Chennai weekly.....

EK is already begging banks to loan on top of sheikh Mo support. Sheikh mo and son are safe and sound - wait till amnesty international can’t be paid and start leaking the outbreaks that’s already showing up in Al Ras, Naif (heck all of Deira) and the labour camps - as I said they are begging pakistan and India to take back their citizens and pop up hospitals in WTC?? Hmmmm if all is well why do u need to have pop up hospitals. Did anyone check that they claim they conducted 750K covid tests but only 5K covid potisive - that makes uae the safest country by default. That itself is a clear clear lie.....
be safe hope u reading this

[EchoKilla]

donpiz I’m definitely not trying to stir a conspiracy theory here and hey we are on pprune after all

yes they are over testing because they are paranoid and I agree that’s not a bad thing but also the numbers are statistically impossible. And some of the hard working gents that work here from South Asia have not shown up in days and have said many of their roommates are in fact under the weather in satwa. So I am sure the authorities are doing their very best to care for them - I’m also not doubting that but you really think they will improve housing or give a rats bum when this is over?? They will still be underpaid and still living in wretched conditions. And yes as I still have my expensive latte and enjoy the view it is definitely definitely definitely definitely bad here at the moment; even the air feels wrong so no this is a rumour group and no this isn’t a conspiracy, you don’t make 1700 dirhams a month and feeed all your 10 family members....

read between the lines and what the media spews here - half of it isn’t fact. That’s all and there are many many crew who have tested positive btw so let’s not put that on the back burner

[no QUOTE=donpizmeov;10752379]The Echo was not a particularly successful Submarine.

Your observation about number of confirmed virus suffers to tests done is in error. The UAE has been almost paranoid in its testing. I know crew that have been testes 5 times, due to flights, all results were negative.

Where other countries are only testing where other symptoms of infection are present, the UAE has been testing a far wider community group. This is why the rate of positive results is less.

I don't mind people telling what it is really like here, but this weird conspiracy stuff just ain't right.

QUOTE=EchoKilla;10751712][/QUOTE]

[donpizmeov]

donpiz I’m definitely not trying to stir a conspiracy theory here and hey we are on pprune after all

yes they are over testing because they are paranoid and I agree that’s not a bad thing but also the numbers are statistically impossible. And some of the hard working gents that work here from South Asia have not shown up in days and have said many of their roommates are in fact under the weather in satwa. So I am sure the authorities are doing their very best to care for them - I’m also not doubting that but you really think they will improve housing or give a rats bum when this is over?? They will still be underpaid and still living in wretched conditions. And yes as I still have my expensive latte and enjoy the view it is definitely definitely definitely definitely bad here at the moment; even the air feels wrong so no this is a rumour group and no this isn’t a conspiracy, you don’t make 1700 dirhams a month and feeed all your 10 family members....

read between the lines and what the media spews here - half of it isn’t fact. That’s all and there are many many crew who have tested positive btw so let’s not put that on the back burner

[no QUOTE=donpizmeov;10752379]The Echo was not a particularly successful Submarine.

Your observation about number of confirmed virus suffers to tests done is in error. The UAE has been almost paranoid in its testing. I know crew that have been testes 5 times, due to flights, all results were negative.

Where other countries are only testing where other symptoms of infection are present, the UAE has been testing a far wider community group. This is why the rate of positive results is less.

I don't mind people telling what it is really like here, but this weird conspiracy stuff just ain't right.

QUOTE=EchoKilla;10751712][/QUOTE]
Well there certainly is a lot there to try and interrupt. From latte drinking through numbers in rooms. All of that was happening pre virus right?

Yes people are testing positive to the virus. Yes crew have tested positive to the virus. But this has already been announced. It's no secret. Yes the numbers will be higher than the 460ish a day that are reported. But that will be true everywhere.

The virus wasn't invented here. The high density housing conditions will mean that infection numbers will be high. That's what happens in third world countries. It's not fair, but it is the way it is. Was like that before you got here, will be like that after you leave.

[FatPilot]

Is the quote function that hard to use or is it broken?
QUOTE=EchoKilla;10751712]

Dropp, a few more just for you:

Do you remember when all the capts and married FOs lived in nice villas in Jumeriah etc and everyone was generally pretty happy with their lot?
Do you remember when in and outgoing crews were allowed to mingle at the TBF and have a smoke and everyone was generally happy to be there?
Do you remember when you could bring in DF alcohol?
Do you remember when the rosters used to come out by around the 19th or 20th?
Do you remember when you could bid for pretty much anything without petty restrictions?
Do you remember what that system was called? The one before the one before the current one.
Do you remember when they paid the full education cost?
Do you remember when there was no "s" in "crewing"?

[EchoKilla]

Sad but true


Well there certainly is a lot there to try and interrupt. From latte drinking through numbers in rooms. All of that was happening pre virus right?

Yes people are testing positive to the virus. Yes crew have tested positive to the virus. But this has already been announced. It's no secret. Yes the numbers will be higher than the 460ish a day that are reported. But that will be true everywhere.

The virus wasn't invented here. The high density housing conditions will mean that infection numbers will be high. That's what happens in third world countries. It's not fair, but it is the way it is. Was like that before you got here, will be like that after you leave.[/QUOTE]