Do you remember? - Emirates Covid-19 Ad
And do you also remember when...
You could get annual leave
There was credit for annual leave
You had to be at the aircraft 15 minutes before you'd even "signed on" yet
The increment was paid each year without argument or subterfuge
They'd make billions and actually "profit share"
It wasn't a requirement to wear the uniform to the sim
Pilots were referred to and treated as "management"
Pilots would leave good airlines to come here
Just a few off the top of my head.
You could get annual leave
There was credit for annual leave
You had to be at the aircraft 15 minutes before you'd even "signed on" yet
The increment was paid each year without argument or subterfuge
They'd make billions and actually "profit share"
It wasn't a requirement to wear the uniform to the sim
Pilots were referred to and treated as "management"
Pilots would leave good airlines to come here
Just a few off the top of my head.
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A good video and much better and thought through than some of the others over the years. FatPilot , I know your conditions have changed out there, so can not comment on your points, but the video is not really just about EK, its aimed generally at most people undergoing this experience of lock down and I believe hits the mark quite well.
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Can we have an award category for "Most tone-deaf, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?
There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.
You are worthless human beings.
There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.
You are worthless human beings.
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Can we have an award category for "Most tone-dear, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?
There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.
You are worthless human beings.
There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.
You are worthless human beings.
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Don’t know Dropp. Imagine sitting in your free house .. being rung my crewing to be told you are going to operate a flight to London ... on half pay.. ( and by the way the UK PM may die)... but don’t worry, you can isolate for 14 days when you get back. Except your family can’t go anywhere and if you are cabin crew, you are sharing the apartment with 2 or 3 others . So I suggest a more balanced approach to this is needed. I for one, am glad I’m not sitting in Dubai... but I don’t blame others for sounding off.
( And I would love to know.. how many could get out if they could)
( And I would love to know.. how many could get out if they could)
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Can we have an award category for "Most tone-dear, ignorant, and self-centered response to a global tragedy"?
There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.
You are worthless human beings.
There are some peerless winners on this thread. Imagine sitting in your free home on half-pay for doing nothing, tossing crap at the airline who has your back, whilst your jobless pilot colleagues around the world are wondering where the next grocery money is coming from.
You are worthless human beings.
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Do you mean "get out" as in resign, or get out as in leave the UAE during the panicdemic?
Even at half pay, not sure resigning would be a great move in a, um, rather unfriendly global job market. And not everyone wants to play with trains. How's that going? Are you getting at least 50% salary?
Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.
You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a bit incredible.
Incidentally, correction to your statement that the UK PM may die. He WILL die, so will all of us. But it appears that BoJo will make it, out of the ICU now.
Even at half pay, not sure resigning would be a great move in a, um, rather unfriendly global job market. And not everyone wants to play with trains. How's that going? Are you getting at least 50% salary?
Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.
You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a bit incredible.
Incidentally, correction to your statement that the UK PM may die. He WILL die, so will all of us. But it appears that BoJo will make it, out of the ICU now.
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Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.
You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a .
Thank you mmbop for bringing it back to reality. I didn't have the energy to reply to hysterics but Dropp is back on his meds now so possibly no need anyway. Other airlines have cut to half pay or no pay, according to their circumstances. If EK bosses are paying out of the kindness of their hearts I will convert.
What does that even mean, "has your back"? They keep the slaves close to hand on half pay (which for the average family is coincidentally about the right amount to pay the bills) putting the cash right back into their own economy and ready to man the oars at the first sign of recovery. To paraphrase TCK, it's truly a "cost-neutral adjustment".
Remember when?? It's not like it's been six years of world war or a decade of occupation. It's been a number of weeks. Frankly I find the shameless opportunism sickening, not uplifting. Dropp, are you one of the ones on no pay but wished you'd stayed for half pay?
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Remember when?? It's not like it's been six years of world war or a decade of occupation. It's been a number of weeks. Frankly I find the shameless opportunism sickening, not uplifting. Dropp, are you one of the ones on no pay but wished you'd stayed for half pay?
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This has nothing to do with looking out for their workforce. It is about saving Dubai.
If they reacted in the same rational manner that other airlines have, & cut the workforce in order to save cashflow and hence give the company an opportunity to survive, then every Expat would run to their home country for good. They would leave Dubai faster than a sprint, and Dubai would implode. They know it, and they know they have to keep the Expats in Dubai or it will all come crashing down faster than it ultimately will anyway. It is a roll of the dice by the rulers. They have to spend money they simply can't afford to, in order to try and keep the show on the road, keep expats in country spending, keep the bluff real and pray that it ends sooner rather than later so the entire place doesn't come crashing down.
Retrench expats - like they NEED to - and Dubai disappears. This is purely self interest - don't try and sell it any other way.
If they reacted in the same rational manner that other airlines have, & cut the workforce in order to save cashflow and hence give the company an opportunity to survive, then every Expat would run to their home country for good. They would leave Dubai faster than a sprint, and Dubai would implode. They know it, and they know they have to keep the Expats in Dubai or it will all come crashing down faster than it ultimately will anyway. It is a roll of the dice by the rulers. They have to spend money they simply can't afford to, in order to try and keep the show on the road, keep expats in country spending, keep the bluff real and pray that it ends sooner rather than later so the entire place doesn't come crashing down.
Retrench expats - like they NEED to - and Dubai disappears. This is purely self interest - don't try and sell it any other way.
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Question their motives all you want, but EK is so far keeping their workforce which is more than most major carriers around the world are doing.
You KNOW I'm no EK-defender. But perhaps a little more gratitude for ones circumstances is in order. The petty biting of the hand that is still feeding them is a bit incredible.
I believe there will be a few factors at play for Middle East expats in the medium to long term.
1. The resumption of flights will be slow. Most likely there will be limits set by various governments to the number of daily flights they will allow.
2. The load factors will likely be very small for quite some time. Remember, people will just have come out of a couple months ( maybe many months ) isolation and fear of this virus. I expect many people will be asking the inevitable question "do I really need to, or can afford to sit in a 500 seat petrie dish only inches away from others" ? Yes, there will be those who travel out of necessity but I suspect tourism, hospitality and non-essential travel will be dramatically impacted for up to a couple of years.
3. Survival of the fittest. Nothing comes cheap or free on the UAE. This is the time for the two UAE carriers to merge operations, especially at a time where leases and other obligations can be broken under the banner of "global pandemic". Streamlining UAE passenger traffic will be the only way to remain profitable. You can rest assured that many airlines will be doing the same. This means is that many expats will be forced home anyway because the locals aren't going anywhere.
4. The future of the A380 is tough call. With cheap fuel and its attractiveness to passengers, it may be able to keep a place in the fleet to some degree. This at least is positive.
5. Sadly, the UAE in my opinion is on borrowed time. EXPO, which was supposed to help dig the UAE of of the sand will be a flop. Oil will remain cheap for quite some time to come and property values are heading toward the basement or already there. The next few weeks will be interesting as we might just start seeing long term unpaid leaves being offered or some sort of package for the over 57 crowd but as it stands right now, one couldn't leave the UAE even if you wanted to. In any case, life won't be the same after things start again. I believe that movements will be restricted until such time as a vaccine is found.
Time will tell.
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I can’t see where passengers will
come from.
India is out. Africa is out. USA is out. Australia is saying the borders will be shut ( probably) at least to the end of the year. Indonesia is facing a crisis of huge proportions.
And then.. will people want to hub through Dubai and mix with people from who knows where? Can’t see it myself.
Things are going to look very different at the other end of this. I can’t see a huge load of people wanting to go to Dubai for an expo. I can’t see people wanting to travel en mass until there is a vaccine.
Lets wait and see.
come from.
India is out. Africa is out. USA is out. Australia is saying the borders will be shut ( probably) at least to the end of the year. Indonesia is facing a crisis of huge proportions.
And then.. will people want to hub through Dubai and mix with people from who knows where? Can’t see it myself.
Things are going to look very different at the other end of this. I can’t see a huge load of people wanting to go to Dubai for an expo. I can’t see people wanting to travel en mass until there is a vaccine.
Lets wait and see.
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To add to my post.. the Australian Government has just said no international flights until 2021