Please support easyJet Pilots and Cabin Crew

[polkadotwellies]

https://www.change.org/p/grant-shapps-fair-treatment-for-easyjet-staff?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_20940949_en-GB%3Av2&recruiter=179453329&recruited_by_id=f868fb90-6a5d-11e4-bef0-7d23987f58de&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial

[there she blows]

https://www.change.org/p/grant-shapps-fair-treatment-for-easyjet-staff?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_20940949_en-GB%3Av2&recruiter=179453329&recruited_by_id=f868fb90-6a5d-11e4-bef0-7d23987f58de&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial
welcome to the world of low cost

[ItsonlyMeagain]

Err....

As an ex TCX Captain, 2 months unemployed, then a Flybe Captain, again unemployed, how do you think we feel.

Current on the 330, 320 and Q400 and no prospect of a job. A cut is bad, but no job is worse.

Me

[Phileas Fogg]

Meanwhile, EasyJet's chief executive Johan Lundgren has defended the payment of £170m in dividends to shareholders, at a time when the company is seeking financial help from the government. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1TcWPKyCt-0opDCVhA_FagIFDxA9pZgr7vEYBwjL2_BnCny7PkYsdQGpQ)

[NoelEvans]

How can anyone with any common sense support a petition like that when they have read ItsonlyMeagain's post. He has it spot on:A cut is bad, but no job is worse.

[clvf88]

How can anyone with any common sense support a petition like that when they have read ItsonlyMeagain's post. He has it spot on:

I'm sorry to say, but I think that to be a very naive viewpoint. There is a massive grey area between job loss and nessesary cuts to employee terms and conditons. Trusting the management to do anything but act in their own best interests will only result in one thing. Question everything.

I also do not buy into the arguement that because someone has it worse, no one else is allowed to defend their own conditions. Someone is always worse off. Again, that attitude only sends us in one direction.

Sincerely not looking for a fight; just trying to put over a side of the debate that I think should benefit us all :ok:

[Dupre]

How can anyone with any common sense support a petition like that when they have read ItsonlyMeagain's post. He has it spot on:
I've got to disagree with you here. One person's misfortune or mistreatment doesn't justify the mistreatment of someone else just because it's not as bad.

If we think of it like that we are destined to have all T&Cs degrade to the lowest common denominator as no one will be able to defend themselves because "there is someone else worse off"

The loss of a job is horrifying, especially for a family's breadwinner, and itsonlymeagain is clearly in a terrible situation with my full sympathy. But to use that situation to disable another group from standing up for themselves in the face of harsh treatment seems logically incoherent.

[Falling_Penguin]

Dupre, spot on.

[student88]

The 'I have it worse than you so consider yourself lucky' argument is only ever going to facilitate a race to the bottom.

easyJet crew deserve your support right now - none of us want to see airlines go bust, but I'd rather not see people being taken advantage of whilst they're in a sticky situation.

It's a great place to work as a pilot, please, let's keep it that way.

[Meester proach]

If you actually read it , it’s a significant land grab of previous TCs, and a convenient excuse to get their way.

I sympathise with those who are redundant ( twice before for me, and maybe again ), but I’m not going to work for peanuts because any “ job is better than no job “, will leave nothing worth coming back to.

Aldi paying £9.50 an hour to stack shelves , go do that , until things improve

[NoelEvans]

I've got to disagree with you here. One person's misfortune or mistreatment doesn't justify the mistreatment of someone else just because it's not as bad.

If we think of it like that we are destined to have all T&Cs degrade to the lowest common denominator as no one will be able to defend themselves because "there is someone else worse off"

The loss of a job is horrifying, especially for a family's breadwinner, and itsonlymeagain is clearly in a terrible situation with my full sympathy. But to use that situation to disable another group from standing up for themselves in the face of harsh treatment seems logically incoherent.
By all means have your symbolic "stand up for yourselves", but when the money is running out (i.e. customers no longer paying), where does the money come from?

All your grandstanding is worth nowt if there is no money

[VariablePitchP]

By all means have your symbolic "stand up for yourselves", but when the money is running out (i.e. customers no longer paying), where does the money come from?

All your grandstanding is worth nowt if there is no money

I’ve got a family member that works in a bar and has just lost their job. They were making £9.20 an hour. Does that mean that EasyJet captains shouldn’t be allowed to ask for anything more than £9.20 an hour as, in your words, ‘a cut is better than no job’ and they should be grateful for keeping their job?

[vlieger]

Surely drastic measures are needed. The worst is yet to come and this country doesn't seem to realise.

This article sums it up pretty well in my view:

https://www.socialist.net/airline-industry-collapse-shows-need-for-socialist-planning.htmWe can certainly expect unprecedented government intervention in the coming weeks to stop the airline industry from plummeting. But we cannot trust the current airline bosses to simply accept government money and continue as if nothing happened.

Instead of simply throwing money at failing businesses, we should take them over completely and have them run for needs, not profits.

Air travel is a vital component of the modern global economy. But capitalism has utterly failed to make this crucial infrastructure run properly. Far from being utopian, therefore, bold socialist measures are the only way out of this crisis - for the airline industry, and for wider society.

Nationalisation should be accompanied by workers’ control: giving power to those who actually run the show, and introducing genuine democracy in the workplace. After all, in the last few days, airline workers have seen the utter incompetence of their managers in dealing with this sector-wide catastrophe.

If the shareholders claim poverty, we say: open the books! Let us check what the accounts say exactly. If the bosses cannot provide for our survival in the coming months, the demand must be for the shareholders to pay for workers’ wages out of their dividends and profits.

[NoelEvans]

I’ve got a family member that works in a bar and has just lost their job. They were making £9.20 an hour. Does that mean that EasyJet captains shouldn’t be allowed to ask for anything more than £9.20 an hour as, in your words, ‘a cut is better than no job’ and they should be grateful for keeping their job?
Where is the money coming from? If the customers are gone, so is the money. By all means ask for anything you want, but if the money is not there, then the money is not there and you are unlikely to get it. And I cannot see that the taxpayers, who are under huge strain themselves right now, would be happy to 'bail out' EasyJet captains for their pay. So, Ill ask again: Where is the money coming from?

(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)

[Superpilot]

Ummmm, logically speaking, perhaps not the best reason to ignore socialist ramblings?

Anyway, some at EZ may take great inspiration from this little gem:

https://twitter.com/weeaboo/status/1241555854446518272?s=19

[Capt Scribble]

Vlieger, you are joking aren’t you! If not, I recommend you transfer to North Korea to enjoy the success of socialism.

[CurlyB]

Surely drastic measures are needed. The worst is yet to come and this country doesn't seem to realise.

This article sums it up pretty well in my view:


I agree entirely. It's time to end the privatisation of profits and socialism of losses. Shareholders can't have it both ways

[clvf88]

Where is the money coming from? If the customers are gone, so is the money. By all means ask for anything you want, but if the money is not there, then the money is not there and you are unlikely to get it. And I cannot see that the taxpayers, who are under huge strain themselves right now, would be happy to 'bail out' EasyJet captains for their pay. So, Ill ask again: Where is the money coming from?

(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)

You have a very confused and short-termist view of how a business operates. You realise x% doesnt roll off the customers credit cards straight into employees payroll?

The money would most likely come from existing cash positions. In more extreme circumstances it could come from the disposal of assets. If the business is viewed to be viable and profitable in the long term, it could come from some manner of borrowing.

[NoelEvans]

You have a very confused and short-termist view of how a business operates. You realise x% doesnt roll off the customers credit cards straight into employees payroll?

The money would most likely come from existing cash positions. In more extreme circumstances it could come from the disposal of assets. If the business is viewed to be viable and profitable in the long term, it could come from some manner of borrowing.

I'm thinking far more in long term. Little 'blips' can always be ironed out (e.g. a period of winter snow closing airports and sending things out of kilter). It's the long term wind downs or, even worse, shut downs that will cause the money to dry up.

Borrowing? Which bank or institution is going to lend to any airline right now? Banks have pulled the plug on airlines in major crises in the past.

I'm not trying to be unfairly hard on anyone, just trying to correct any "I'm entitled to to my current pay" misconceptions. If the money isn't there you're not 'entitled' to anything.

[clvf88]

I'm thinking far more in long term. Little 'blips' can always be ironed out (e.g. a period of winter snow closing airports and sending things out of kilter). It's the long term wind downs or, even worse, shut downs that will cause the money to dry up.

Borrowing? Which bank or institution is going to lend to any airline right now? Banks have pulled the plug on airlines in major crises in the past.

I'm not trying to be unfairly hard on anyone, just trying to correct any "I'm entitled to to my current pay" misconceptions. If the money isn't there you're not 'entitled' to anything.

So it would seem this particular debate hinges upon ones perception of how long term you think this event will be - and thats anyones guess at this stage.

As for who would lend money to airlines; I'd say they have a plethora of credit options should they need them (many don't at this point in time!). Not least, Mr Sunaks latest offerings.

Anyhow, good luck out there. I firmly believe that whats good for one, is good for all in our pilot community. We're all in it together - and I for one will continue commend and support my colleagues standing up for their own rights.

[woptb]

Where is the money coming from? If the customers are gone, so is the money. By all means ask for anything you want, but if the money is not there, then the money is not there and you are unlikely to get it. And I cannot see that the taxpayers, who are under huge strain themselves right now, would be happy to 'bail out' EasyJet captains for their pay. So, Ill ask again: Where is the money coming from?

(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)

Think you’ll find that the origin was a virus......... Sounds like a little Donnie Trump quote!

[NoelEvans]

The cause was a virus. What was the geographical origin of that cause?

[Citationcj2]

Err....

As an ex TCX Captain, 2 months unemployed, then a Flybe Captain, again unemployed, how do you think we feel.

Current on the 330, 320 and Q400 and no prospect of a job. A cut is bad, but no job is worse.

Me

Maybe post the Corona contract for people to see and they might react differently!

Whatever about people not having jobs, etc it’s totally irrelevant here and please dont be bitter they still have jobs!

As things stands a lot of employers are using this very fragile and harsh times to downgrade the contracts as quick as possible while blaming the corona, and the problem here if you haven’t saw the new ezy TCs is that this is not only while the crisis last but a complete new contract that goes deep into the future.

A new fos CU upgrade pay freeze to for 1st year as a CPT but on an FOs salary? Is this fair to you?
A 2 captains doing the same job, same responsibilities and one getting an FO salary?
And many many more!!

It looks like PB brought the culture with him and applied the copy/paste and even worse. I wonder is he getting a nice bonus for such enormous saving to the company.

Kick them when they’re down, springs to mind!

[waco]

Barking....they have had it so good for so long.

This thing is going to go on for a long time. The economic consequences are beyond huge.

It will probably take until a vaccine is available before we can really put this to bed and that's got to be at least a year.

Worried about terms and conditions? My goodness. I'd be more worried about food and shelter.

Welcome to the planet where the local time is some point on 29 Oct 1929. Only this one is going to knock the planet far, far worse. Not only with regard to the virus, but the world economy.

[GKOC41]

https://www.change.org/p/grant-shapps-fair-treatment-for-easyjet-staff?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_20940949_en-GB%3Av2&recruiter=179453329&recruited_by_id=f868fb90-6a5d-11e4-bef0-7d23987f58de&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial

I've had more failures than this guys had hot dinners - worried about work patterns? Come back in 2021 and let us know how much your world has changed.
Fatigue won't be an issue for Easyjet crews - I'd just be worried if I was on the rock n roll - you're going to get plenty of time to rest between now and whenever this sad situation finishes

[RogueOne]

I can't believe this help the 'poor easyjet' thread is still kicking about and hasn't been locked and closed.

It's a huge slap in the face to every pilot and aviation worked on here, let alone the ones already laid off, furloughed, or made redundant.

Selfish and ignorant.

If anyone has anything specific to rant about Covid19, there's quite a few specific threads going.

[JustinHeywood]

Barking....they have had it so good for so long.

This thing is going to go on for a long time. The economic consequences are beyond huge.

It will probably take until a vaccine is available before we can really put this to bed and that's got to be at least a year.

Worried about terms and conditions? My goodness. I'd be more worried about food and shelter.

Welcome to the planet where the local time is some point on 29 Oct 1929. Only this one is going to knock the planet far, far worse. Not only with regard to the virus, but the world economy.

Are you just going to cruise the board predicting the end of the world on every thread?

Give it up. We’re in uncharted territory. You’ve no more idea than anyone else.

[clvf88]

I can't believe this help the 'poor easyjet' thread is still kicking about and hasn't been locked and closed.

It's a huge slap in the face to every pilot and aviation worked on here, let alone the ones already laid off, furloughed, or made redundant.

Selfish and ignorant.

If anyone has anything specific to rant about Covid19, there's quite a few specific threads going.

Have you read the comments preceeding yours?

We are not allowed to help collegues in a current struggle because we might offend some who has been made redundant in the past? To avoid future threads being locked and closed, who should we approach for moral approval to post - you?

Selfish and ignorant.

[waco]

Quite correct...I have no more idea than anyone else.....but things will not be the same either. Aeroplanes and flying will be a very low priority as far as business and leisure travel are concerned. EZY crew have had an exceptional run and I find this thread insulting and yes I am ex EZY.

[NoelEvans]

......... Sounds like a little Donnie Trump quote!Ahh... that favourite way of attempting to shut down discussion. That comment says a lot about you.

[NoelEvans]

I can't believe this help the 'poor easyjet' thread is still kicking about and hasn't been locked and closed.

It's a huge slap in the face to every pilot and aviation worked on here, let alone the ones already laid off, furloughed, or made redundant.

Selfish and ignorant.

If anyone has anything specific to rant about Covid19, there's quite a few specific threads going.
Was there ever any "Please support Monarch, Thomas Cook, BMI Regional or Flybe Pilots and Cabin Crew" Thread. The EasyJet crews all have one huge advantage over those other airlines mentioned: They have jobs.

I agree about the "Selfish and ignorant".

I don't agree with the Thread being locked or closed. Censorship is never a good thing. (Mods, please note!) Keeping this Thread going helps to highlight how selfish some people are and that is a good thing. Why just EasyJet? Why not support ALL Pilots and Cabin Crew who are facing a very, very, very uncertain future? Stop being "me, myself" and think of others too.

[Citationcj2]

Was there ever any "Please support Monarch, Thomas Cook, BMI Regional or Flybe Pilots and Cabin Crew" Thread. The EasyJet crews all have one huge advantage over those other airlines mentioned: They have jobs.



Im not EZY member, but I fully support them!

Question raised, why there wasn’t support about Monarch, Thomas, Flybee, etc...

Because this is about Easy. And the company thats doing well and has massive cash flows, unlike above mentioned companies that couldn’t even make in the top of boom!

Take your bitterness away and stop barking at the wrong door. Its not these guys fault you haven’t got a job.
I’m in the same boat at the moment , but I aint gonna begrudge guys for trying to keep the T&Cs to some standard atleast, before every other airline takes it to another level!

As things stand and with attitude displayed here ,we might all be working for less then McDonalds guys serving burger on a first ever job when things get back on its feet!

[Kefuddle]

The proposed changes can hardly be considered cost-saving initiatives, so what is the point of them other than an ex-Ryanair hammer thinking everything is a Ryanair nail. Trying to push through a bunch of "may last airline did it like this" changes on the back of a crisis and attempting to get it through before the government announced any initiatives and months before any indication of how this crisis was going to pan out is acceptable, but only because some other airlines were commercial failures on their own...?

[Captain Spam Can]

Let’s just get this right, it’s not about keeping jobs or pay cuts its just simply about not letting one particular new COO use COVID19 to destroy contractual t and c’s like allowing disruption of short notice schedule changes, ground based office duties when unable to fly etc. As if it happens in one place the doors open for this to happen elsewhere. Pay cuts yes anything else non pay related no. This airline is a happy place to work and we don’t want to see an outsider come in and try his luck.

[733driver]

I agree with the three previous posts. This ex-Ryanair Sc*mbag must not get his way.

[BoeingLudo737]

I agree with the three previous posts. This ex-Ryanair Sc*mbag must not get his way.

Firstly, I have a lot sympathy for all colleagues who are going through hard times due to Covid-19.
Secondly, have you thought at all that the EZY CEO might have instructed the new COO to save cost? Regardless where the COO is from, EZY is still paying £170m dividend to their shareholders. Don't you think that's a bit controversial? Don't see any connections with Ryanair here so you just having your daily Ryanair rant (since 2002) in a thread that has nothing to do with Ryanair.

[AirUK]

When all this is over, you’ll be lucky if you still have a flying job.

Easyjet is a low-cost airline - if they’re still a going concern following a period of making absolutely NO money and deciding to pay out £170m in dividends and the overheads are too high, then they’ll have to lower them until they do. That’s their business model...

I’d forego that free cup of tea and a sandwich if it meant I could maintain my flying career AND put food on the table for my loved ones.

Be realistic - post-COVID-19 aviation will be a different landscape for all concerned and probably for some time, sadly.

[giggitygiggity]

Be realistic - post-COVID-19 aviation will be a different landscape for all concerned and probably for some time, sadly.

Whist I think this thread was started with good intentions, OP didn't consider his audience - made up of many jobless pilots of which I have the utmost sympathy for.

The problem with the offer from easyjet was the period of time laid out. They proposed (along with unpaid leave in the short term) a slashing of terms for 18 months which a length of time just plucked out of thin air. A reasonable approach would have been initially, a short term solution (2 or 3 months of unpaid leave) and use that downtime to asess what direction the market is going by the early summer and then propose further solutions and compromises. Perhaps we'll find out that their initial offering was nowhere near strong enough to make enough of a difference to protect jobs. Reassessments will most likely lead to more unpaid leave or the blunt reality that terms will then have to be slashed if we are to survive. If they're not flying over 2-3 months, then any change in terms now is redundant, so the rush is therefore clearly a land grab. I don't see any other reason to make those demands from their employees at this stage. When we start flying, I realise that easyjet might need some more operational flexibility from its crew, but that can be discussed then when the dust has begun to settle.

I apprecieate many have been made redundant over the last 3 years but that wasn't the case at easyjet, it remained profitable throughout its lifespan, so the rush to the bottom seems either like an overreaction, or the ryanair style land grab proposed.

[733driver]

Firstly, I have a lot sympathy for all colleagues who are going through hard times due to Covid-19.
Secondly, have you thought at all that the EZY CEO might have instructed the new COO to save cost? Regardless where the COO is from, EZY is still paying £170m dividend to their shareholders. Don't you think that's a bit controversial? Don't see any connections with Ryanair here so you just having your daily Ryanair rant (since 2002) in a thread that has nothing to do with Ryanair.

It's not exactly a daily anti-Ryanair rant, is it? And I do believe it's not undeserved, either. But keep on defending Ryanair if it makes you feel better. Don't expect people to agree with you, though. I have a feeling most won't.

Back to topic. I feel truly sorry and upset for everyone who might lose their jobs. I feel almost equally sorry for those who have to face scumbag management types who are willing to pay dividends to shareholders while attempting to cut the terms and conditions of their employees.

[BoeingLudo737]

It's not exactly a daily anti-Ryanair rant, is it? And I do believe it's not undeserved, either. But keep on defending Ryanair if it makes you feel better. Don't expect people to agree with you, though. I have a feeling most won't.

Back to topic. I feel truly sorry and upset for everyone who might lose their jobs. I feel almost equally sorry for those who have to face scumbag management types who are willing to pay dividends to shareholders while attempting to cut the terms and conditions of their employees.

You come across as being bias that's why I pointed those things out to you. We are not defending anyone here and I am not looking for people to agree or disagree with me. The reality is that this is an Easyjet thread and you are totally out of context. You should have your daily Ryanair rant on a Ryanair thread.

On a different note, I hope all colleagues will be able to obtain what's best for them.

[Kefuddle]

When all this is over, you’ll be lucky if you still have a flying job.

Easyjet is a low-cost airline - if they’re still a going concern following a period of making absolutely NO money and deciding to pay out £170m in dividends and the overheads are too high, then they’ll have to lower them until they do. That’s their business model...

I’d forego that free cup of tea and a sandwich if it meant I could maintain my flying career AND put food on the table for my loved ones.

Be realistic - post-COVID-19 aviation will be a different landscape for all concerned and probably for some time, sadly.
But, the proposed deal changes that upset everyone, had no meaningful cost-saving constituents. So there is no debate about saving the airline on that front. I am pretty sure everybody would agree to unpaid leave, reduced hours, whatever, for as long as is necessary and temporary reductions of roster protections, no day off payments, etc, etc with a review in coordination with BALPA every three months or so. It is truly unfortunate that the dividend payment would have paid the entire workforce for two months+! But I guess that payment was for the previous financial year and is binding in some way.

[Joe le Taxi]

BP plc cancelled the dividend payout at short notice, during the Deepwater Horizon blowout spill incident, (I think it was even after the XD date)

[Kefuddle]

As I understand it, by the time COVID become an issue in the UK, the money had already been dispersed to external accounts. If this is true or not, I have no idea.

[Albert Hall]

If easyJet do need to go for Government bail-out, the fact that shareholders will just have received £170m in dividends will weigh very heavily against them when the Treasury's day of reckoning comes. A stronger management team would have ignored the legal advice, done the right thing and used the court of public opinion to defend themselves against any shareholder who took issue with it.

And from the outside looking in, it appears as though the new COO is damaged beyond repair in a very short space of time. It's impossible to see how he can bounce back from such a serious reputational setback so early in his time in post.

[Citationcj2]

You come across as being bias that's why I pointed those things out to you. We are not defending anyone here and I am not looking for people to agree or disagree with me. The reality is that this is an Easyjet thread and you are totally out of context. You should have your daily Ryanair rant on a Ryanair thread.

On a different note, I hope all colleagues will be able to obtain what's best for them.

Dont see any connections?? lol Maybe get someone from EZY to give you their corona agreement and you might see it with your own eyes?

Sure PBs speach was down to a word copy/past from the Irish ( President) and you excepted something different in the contract??:(

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/03/22/must-see/easyjet-apologises-video-leo-varadkar/amp

[lederhosen]

One obvious conclusion is that Stelios does not have a lot of faith in the current management. He has said that new aircraft orders should be scaled back (which with hindsight maybe was prescient) and he fairly clearly wants to extract whatever money he can, while he still can. New bookings and cashflow must be about zero and with mixed messages coming from government there is a very uncertain situation developing. If it turns out that more people have been infected than currently show in the numbers and have some form of immunity then a gradual resumption of flying is possible, but that is by no means yet clear.

[dirk85]

Stelios has been against expansion since he left the active management of the company way before the current crisis, he is like a broken record.

[BoeingLudo737]

Dont see any connections?? lol Maybe get someone from EZY to give you their corona agreement and you might see it with your own eyes?

Sure PBs speach was down to a word copy/past from the Irish ( President) and you excepted something different in the contract??:(

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/03/22/must-see/easyjet-apologises-video-leo-varadkar/amp
PB was also with Malaysian Airlines so I don't see the connection sorry.
Have you read what I wrote? Did I defend PB in any ways? I didn't. Should he have copied the speech? No, he shouldn't have.

[NoelEvans]

Im not EZY member, but I fully support them!

Question raised, why there wasn’t support about Monarch, Thomas, Flybee, etc...

Because this is about Easy. And the company thats doing well and has massive cash flows, unlike above mentioned companies that couldn’t even make in the top of boom!

Take your bitterness away and stop barking at the wrong door. Its not these guys fault you haven’t got a job.
I’m in the same boat at the moment , but I aint gonna begrudge guys for trying to keep the T&Cs to some standard atleast, before every other airline takes it to another level!

As things stand and with attitude displayed here ,we might all be working for less then McDonalds guys serving burger on a first ever job when things get back on its feet!
The implication of that it that the Easy guys are 'worth' a lot more because their management has been better at handling the cash flow. Really?

With so many pilots out of work right now I do find it rather tactless bleating on here for support "to maintain your Ts&Cs". There is a private EasyJet Forum. These comments belong there. It appears that you do have a good reason to grumble, but for goodness sake, do it among yourselves and stop rubbing this in the noses of all those unemployed pilots who would be delighted with any Ts&Cs right now.

Re: "Take your bitterness away and stop barking at the wrong door. Its not these guys fault you haven’t got a job." -- you are very, very, very wrong there.

[giggitygiggity]

Re: "Take your bitterness away and stop barking at the wrong door. Its not these guys fault you haven’t got a job." -- you are very, very, very wrong there.

I’m confused, are you saying it’s the easyJet crews fault that some people are out of work right now?

[NoelEvans]

I am not saying that it is any pilot's 'fault' that any other pilot does not have a job.

I am saying that he is wrong with his assumption about my job situation.

I hope that clears up the confusion.

And I hope that everyone is back into work as soon as possible.

[Altostratus]

We are all affected by this, time to show solidarity

[NutLoose]

May be a little light at the end of the tunnel



Thousands of easyJet and Virgin airline staff are being offered work in the new NHS Nightingale Hospital.

Those who sign up will support nurses and senior clinicians at the coronavirus field hospital in east London, the NHS said.

Virgin Atlantic said furloughed staff who help will be paid through the government retention scheme.

NHS England said many airline staff are first aid trained and already have security clearance.

They workers will be changing beds and performing other non-clinical tasks and helping doctors and nurses working on the wards, the NHS said.

Virgin Atlantic said it has written to around 4,000 employees, while easyJet said it has contacted 9,000 of its UK-based staff - half of whom are first aid trained, the airline said.

[Meester proach]

That’s fair enough , but I’d imagine working there, you just put your risk of dying up considerably