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10th Jan 2020, 13:14
Anyone know who might be able to help with a bit of history around an old silk escape map? I know there were common in WW2 but have come across one that unusually seems to be of China and was trying to find out a bit more about it...

India Four Two
10th Jan 2020, 20:01
Here would be a good start:

history of wwii british cloth escape maps (http://escape-maps.com/escape_maps/history_of_wwii_british_cloth_escape_maps.htm)


Fascinating stuff and I learned a new distance unit (presumably a typo) : chilometer.

10th Jan 2020, 21:45
Perfect thank you so much! Seems it is a Hutton 44R from WWII ! Very kind of you to take the time to reply. The owner will be chuffed to know a bit more about its history (tips hat to you)

India Four Two
11th Jan 2020, 00:03
You are welcome. I’ve always been interested in maps and my research taught me some new things.

Pom Pax
11th Jan 2020, 05:00
The USAAF may well have shut up shop in June 1945 but the R.A.F. and MI whatever carried on into the Cold War and perhaps even to this very day.
I know that Lincoln crew where supplied with maps of Eastern Europe because they were expected to walk home. Their targets being well beyond the out and back range of their aircraft.

If this continued into the V force era perhaps BEagle had a map guiding him to his Yurt where his Mongolian maiden eagerly awaited!

11th Jan 2020, 07:59
Also some special maps were printed on silk as "souvenirs" of major agreements following the delineation of boundaries

I've seen one of a few square miles of the Argentinean-Chile Boundary dating from the late '60's where they had to redefine the border in a valley up in the Andes. There were apparently the Treaty Copies on paper all with signatures and Seals, and then a small number of silk copies as well handed out to the Good & the Great involved.

As opposed to the usual weasel words along the bottom of 99.99% of maps this is the only map I've ever seen that WAS " an Authority on political boundaries".. .

11th Jan 2020, 09:27
There were certainly equivalent (not silk but some artificial material) maps in Gulf War 1.

Was a plasticky material that had the same ability to "scrunch" up very small without permanent damage.

India Four Two
11th Jan 2020, 16:38
I've seen one of a few square miles of the Argentinean-Chile Boundary dating from the late '60's

Was this map the result of Fairey Air Surveys’ operations in the disputed border area?

12th Jan 2020, 02:44
Silk maps of eastern europe were standard E & E kit issue for our USAFE tac recce squadron pilots in the 60's.

12th Jan 2020, 08:13
Was this map the result of Fairey Air Surveys’ operations in the disputed border area?

yes - believe it or not the Argentinean - Chile border disputes are refereed by Queen in London (tho clearly this hasn't happened in a while..) - she has other things to do so asks the Royal Geographical Society to do the job and they organise it. IIRC FSL did the mapping with local military surveys from both sides in attendance.

The two countries Commission reps then decided on the corrected boundary and that went to the Govts for ratification. Once that was done the PBI all went back into the field to demarcate the boundary according to the agreement.

The issue occurs due to an original treaty that was drawn up a long way from the landscape - the border "follows the line of the highest point between the two countries" I think. Trouble is, due to the Andes still going up and the rivers cutting down, a lot of the head of valleys are kilometers east/west of the highest peaks - if you draw a line trying to join the m all it becomes fractal and causes all sorts of problems for the locals who naturally live in the valleys. I believe the process has always been quite amicable as you win and lose from determination to determination (like the Rio Grande adjustments) and it's all bloody awful country anyway.

Not like the Beagle Channel....................

12th Jan 2020, 16:55
I liked this one:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/720x960/polish_airmens_map_phonetic_567d713c0418103dee18add42e547587 c1266b2d.jpg
Phonetic one issued to Polish flightcrew in WW11

India Four Two
12th Jan 2020, 22:10
I see they got the pronunciation of Sarfend correct! :)

23rd Jan 2020, 23:57
Why would the Poles want to escape from Britain :}

24th Jan 2020, 07:19
It was designed for the Polish invasion of the late 1990's.................... when they came to save the UK from rubbish plumbers, useless waiting staff and all sorts of rural incompetence