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""During the booking process, Ryanair passengers won’t be informed that their flights will be on Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. The carrier’s chief executive confirmed this news yesterday.""
What an arrogant s...t !!!! Think they have the right to know.
ShamrockF
16th Dec 2019, 12:36
Why is this in Terms & Endearment?
And you would like it where Shamrock. Regarding your comment Joe not all Ryanair pax are off to stag parties. The public have a right t know which aircraft type they are flying don`t you think?
sekmeth
16th Dec 2019, 13:46
For once I actually understand Ryanair.
1: they run a Business, if the FAA and EASA and all the others aprove the aircraft, it is deemed safe.
2: there is no way to assign a particular aircraft to a flight a few months in advance. What happens with AOGs, diversions etc etc. Im sure other airlines will do the same, of realize that last minute changes forces them to use a MAX instead of a NG
Joker89
16th Dec 2019, 13:46
To be fair, how to guarantee on a mixed 737 fleet which type will be allocated on the day of operations. Fair enough I say
Possibly yes but its the attitude.
BewareOfTheSharklets
16th Dec 2019, 14:55
Possibly yes but its the attitude.
Agreed. Consumers should have the right to know what they're purchasing. When I book a flight with Iberia or Lufthansa, they're both fairly reliable at providing the same A319/20/21 that was listed during the booking process. Same with KLM and 737/8/9s.
TartinTon
16th Dec 2019, 15:23
If you actually bothered to read the full quote you're putting your own interpretation on it.
“The reality is [if people want to know whether or not they are due to fly in a Max jet], the answer is that you won’t,” O’Leary told FlightGlobal in Brussels.
“Because we won’t know. We do our aircraft allocations on a nightly basis. You’re booking your ticket six, eight weeks in advance.”
Say Mach Number
16th Dec 2019, 15:41
Lets face it if the boys and girls who are going to fly this thing don't get on it no passengers are going anywhere regardless of when you booked your ticket.
No pilots no fly.
Reality being however by the time they get this thing back in the air if will probably be the safest thing in the sky.............
Bengerman
16th Dec 2019, 15:45
For once I actually understand Ryanair.
1: they run a Business, if the FAA and EASA and all the others aprove the aircraft, it is deemed safe.
Haven't the FAA already deemed it safe? How did that pan out?
Ryanair are not interested
if their pax know what the aircraft is, their sole interest is their wallets and how they can get their hands on the contents. O'Leary isn't going to change now, why should he, he makes loads of money out of his business.
SID PLATE
16th Dec 2019, 15:52
https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-boeing-737-max-mystery/
""During the booking process, Ryanair passengers won’t be informed that their flights will be on Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. The carrier’s chief executive confirmed this news yesterday.""
What an arrogant s...t !!!! Think they have the right to know.
Ryanair will not be operating the 737 - MAX. They will operate the 737 - 8200. OK .. different name, same aeroplane ... however ...
When re certified, it should be safer, or at least as safe, as the 737NG. Boeing and the FAA can't afford for it not to be.
You, and some parts of the media are trying to create a fatuous argument.
Nothing to see here ... move on.
Alsacienne
16th Dec 2019, 15:57
Don't any airlines T&C when booking advise that no particular make or type of aircraft is guaranteed .... I'm sure it's in there somewhere. It's the company that decide the plane ... route, distance, load factors of SLF and real freight, availability and staffing to name a few conditions.
If you want to be sure of the type of plane you're going to fly in, pay up for a business jet.
(Even the old BEA printed timetables of the 1960s/1970s used to state EQV = Equipment Varies!!)
Sharklets is right however when you buy something you have the right to know what you are buying and whether we like it or not consumer confidence rightly or wrongly has dropped in this aircraft. As I stated it is the attitude that is wrong here.....
vaninnam
16th Dec 2019, 17:23
I paxed back from a sim in Joburg on company 319 when a 87 year old lady asked the cabin crew if this was 737 max ??/
SID PLATE
16th Dec 2019, 17:27
Sharklets is right however when you buy something you have the right to know what you are buying and whether we like it or not consumer confidence rightly or wrongly has dropped in this aircraft. As I stated it is the attitude that is wrong here.....
RYR's attitude is what it is. If you don't like it, buy a ticket with some other carrier.
Again ... this is a non event. If you allow RYR's style and culture to wind you up whenever they do something you don't agree with .. you will not be a happy person.
I paxed back from a sim in Joburg on company 319 when a 87 year old lady asked the cabin crew if this was 737 max ??/
Strange how the lady announced her age in the asking of her question..?!
lcolman
16th Dec 2019, 19:27
Sharklets is right however when you buy something you have the right to know what you are buying and whether we like it or not consumer confidence rightly or wrongly has dropped in this aircraft. As I stated it is the attitude that is wrong here.....
You know what you are buying; you are buying a ticket for one of the safest airlines in the world to take you from one airport to another very uncomfortably.
If you are still unhappy about this then pay more and fly on another airline that has no 737s in its fleet.
RexBanner
16th Dec 2019, 19:31
The age could have been overheard in a different conversation, unless that was the only thing the lady in question said all flight.
msbbarratt
16th Dec 2019, 21:20
For once I actually understand Ryanair.
1: they run a Business, if the FAA and EASA and all the others aprove the aircraft, it is deemed safe.
2: there is no way to assign a particular aircraft to a flight a few months in advance. What happens with AOGs, diversions etc etc.Im sure other airlines will do the same, of realize that last minute changes forces them to use a MAX instead of a NG
Agreed. I’m no fan of Ryanair’s service, but if the EUASA say it’s good to go then it’s good to go. Trillion dollar question is, will they?
My concern is that the MAX doesn’t get to fly again, which would be bad news for Ryanair and its staff, and prices on other airlines will go up.
TheFiddler
16th Dec 2019, 21:39
But they will know well in advance which airframe it is as they will either have sold 189 seats (738) or 200 seats (Max) on the flight....
Pearly White
17th Dec 2019, 01:50
The age could have been overheard in a different conversation, unless that was the only thing the lady in question said all flight.
You obviously haven't dealt with many geriatrics. They announce their age at the start of a sentence to almost every new person they meet. "Young man, I an 87 years old, and I want to know if this is one of those 737 Maxies?"
flyfan
17th Dec 2019, 05:47
Agreed. I’m no fan of Ryanair’s service, but if the EUASA say it’s good to go then it’s good to go. Trillion dollar question is, will they?
My concern is that the MAX doesn’t get to fly again, which would be bad news for Ryanair and its staff, and prices on other airlines will go up.
Yes, the 737max will fly again. Too many orders on that plane to cancel...even though new aircraft & a clean sheet design definitely wouldn‘t hurt.
sekmeth
17th Dec 2019, 06:33
But they will know well in advance which airframe it is as they will either have sold 189 seats (738) or 200 seats (Max) on the flight....
my outfit changes aircraft on a particular flight overnight from an A319 to A320 to B737, all depending on weather, tickets sold etc.
im sure that applies to ryanair as well.
route A is planned with a NG, route B with a MAX. If route A is overbooked and B only has a 80% loadfactor, the aircraft will change if they are on the same base. You simply cannot promise an aircraft type, there are to many unknown variables
Captain_Caveman
17th Dec 2019, 20:10
Of course they will know in advance where the max will be flying because to start off with they will not have engineering coverage in all locations to cover the new aircraft as they will be very different to the 800's from an engine perspective and other variables. The small matter of a different config in the cabin, seat maps, purchasing allocated seating etc... They will have to deal with upgrading and downgrading aircraft the same as any other mixed fleet airline but they will build a schedule with the max's flying on specific routes at set times. To say they won't know what the plan is beforehand is a complete and utter lie.
retired guy
17th Dec 2019, 21:30
When I book any flight online, they don’t tell me whether the scheduled pilots can manually fly an airplane or not.
if anyone would crash a max due to the same cause, they simply shouldn’t be allowed into the flight deck.
no they shouldn’t. But they are. . But we mostly know which airlines have the highest standards and would be most likely to handle say an MCAS runaway well. I fly with them. Always have done.
Old Timer
ps I reckon that some airlines flying the max are going to start training a whole lot better. And that will soon get out.
flyingmed
17th Dec 2019, 21:38
How do you expect them to inform passengers from before if they don't know plane allocations themselves? These aircraft have much higher capacity I am guessing FR will be keeping an eye on loads up to the last minute to try and maintain as high a load factor as possible. If people wont budge on the price they are willing to pay for a seat and they are really that concerned with Boeing then book a flight with Wizz or Easy on an A320.
Paul Lupp
18th Dec 2019, 19:08
When I book a train or bus/coach journey, the type of vehicle is not stated... why should it be different for airlines?
I booked LHR-YVR (return) earlier in the year for November, and got "stuck" on a 747 instead of the A380 that was being used when I made my booking. Upset? yes but not something I could complain about