Voyager and Thomas cook

[dagenham]

so Thomas cook where leasing two voyagers? What impact does the bankruptcy have on this? Any news or thoughts ?

Surprised it has not been raised before, we seem to like a good old moan and I told you so

[Dan Winterland]

Airtanker own them, so I suspect they will be recovering them and looking to lease them to someone else.

[ORAC]

With the number of 737787/777 grounded for various engine and other problems there is no shortage of airlines looking for airframes to lease.

[Bob Viking]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTanker_Services

Are you sure TC were still leasing them?

I don’t know the correct answer, just sharing a link.

BV

[Stuff]

This would suggest TC were still leasing two.

https://www.airtanker.co.uk/leasing

or it might be they've not got around to updating it :8

[malspa]

An airframe is currently in use with Condor. Yesterday morning it tracked over Brize Norton on it's way to Frankfurt after an overnight Atlantic crossing. Other 2 frames being used by Jet2

[Chris Kebab]

Sad to admit but I know this! G-VYGL(ZZ341) and G-VYGM(ZZ342) are with Jet 2 and G-VYGK(ZZ340) is with Condor. No mention of TC.

[Caramba]

Is Condor not the German branch of Thomas Cook?

[chinook240]

Condor, legally incorporated as Condor Flugdienst GmbH (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GmbH), is a German (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) leisure airline (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline)based in Frankfurt (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt) and a subsidiary of the insolvent Thomas Cook Group (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Group). It operates scheduled flights to leisure destinations in the Mediterranean (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean), Asia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia), Africa (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), North America (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America), South America (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America), and the Caribbean (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean). Its main base is at Frankfurt Airport (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Airport) with further smaller bases at other German airports.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_(airline)#cite_note-FI-2) Despite its parent company Thomas Cook Group (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Group) filing for insolvency, the airline continues to operate after applying for a loan with the German government.[ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_(airline)#cite_note-3)

[Chris Kebab]

Bit of an update on my last, just been told that the Condor jet flew into Brize earlier, maybe its Condor days are over?

[Rigga]

As normal, there are quite a few airlines sailing close to the wind, revenue wise. TC (at least the TC Airline) was known in the industry to be in dire straights for the last year or so.
As an aside, I believe that the Air Tanker Lease contracts have omitted re-livery clauses so that, when they are returned to AT, AT will have to pay to repaint them!

[chopper2004]

Condor, legally incorporated as Condor Flugdienst GmbH (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GmbH), is a German (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) leisure airline (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline)based in Frankfurt (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt) and a subsidiary of the insolvent Thomas Cook Group (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Group). It operates scheduled flights to leisure destinations in the Mediterranean (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean), Asia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia), Africa (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa), North America (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America), South America (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America), and the Caribbean (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean). Its main base is at Frankfurt Airport (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Airport) with further smaller bases at other German airports.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_(airline)#cite_note-FI-2) Despite its parent company Thomas Cook Group (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Group) filing for insolvency, the airline continues to operate after applying for a loan with the German government.[ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_(airline)#cite_note-3)

I thought Condor is part of the Lufthansa Group? Did see on BBC Look East or About Anglia, interviewing pilot looking for a job online...

[Beatts]

As normal, there are quite a few airlines sailing close to the wind, revenue wise. TC (at least the TC Airline) was known in the industry to be in dire straights for the last year or so.
As an aside, I believe that the Air Tanker Lease contracts have omitted re-livery clauses so that, when they are returned to AT, AT will have to pay to repaint them!

Not sure on the current but I know the first Air Tanker leases were decaled with only stickers so not as big of a job as repainting each time.

[BEagle]

It was rather a pity seeing those TCX aircraft at Birmingham Airport today, parked each side of an almost identically marked Condor aircraft.

[Sts121]

My flight JFK in November said operates by air tanker.

Unless it changed from me booking

[pr00ne]

chopper2004,

Condor has been a wholly owned subsidiary of the Thomas Cook Group Plc since 2000. Incorporated into the rebranded Thomas Cook airlines in 2003.

[G-ARZG]

At least one Airtanker A330 is involved in repatriating forlorn Brits from USA. Just seen it on the news at Heathrow!

[Wander00]

As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased

[MPN11]

As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased
One assumes not just BoJo but also a number of staff and journalists?

And with the current CivAir chaos, I could guess options are a bit limited.

[lonsdale2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49824427

[Easy Street]

As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased

If you already pay into fixed contract for A330 availability and flying hours (as the MOD does) then the only cost is fuel and any displaced activity. Leasing a smaller aircraft would be much more expensive, even taking savings in fuel and landing charges into account. These movements were probably planned in advance (notwithstanding the slightly early return!) but in any case there's no need to worry about expenses incurred by short-notice re-tasking of airframes; military passengers can be ordered to sleep at the airhead until a replacement arrives! Also, the press pack and their large amounts of equipment will all be charged for the privilege of being flown on HM aircraft.

[Davef68]

As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased

From the time when the decision was made:

Ministers said the conversion would save the taxpayer £775,000 a year in the cost of private charters, while the aircraft would still be available for its primary air-to-air refuelling role when it is not being used for VIP travel.....Government sources have said the cost of long-haul charter flights can be excessive because they are often arranged at short notice.In January 2015, the government spent more than £100,000 sending Mr Cameron to Saudi Arabia to pay his respects following the death of its king. The converted RAF Voyager A330 is expected to cost £2,000 an hour, compared to the current average cost of £6,700 an hour.

[Wander00]

Interesting, thanks, but maybe the replacement for the 146s on 32 should be able to cross the pond

[sharpend]

As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased

When I flew VVIP, I think it was Lockheed who suggested a fast bisjet to take Maggie from Dallas to LHR. It did. Just her, the VC10 carried the huge entourage of security, garden girls, MPs, press (who paid handsomely) & crew to look after all that (up to 19) etc. That idea was dropped. Anyway, the chartered stuff did not have anti-missile defence. The Ten did.

[VinRouge]

The 2K figure is utter bolleaux.