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Voyager and Thomas cook

Old 24th Sep 2019, 08:19
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Voyager and Thomas cook

so Thomas cook where leasing two voyagers? What impact does the bankruptcy have on this? Any news or thoughts ?

Surprised it has not been raised before, we seem to like a good old moan and I told you so
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 08:26
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Airtanker own them, so I suspect they will be recovering them and looking to lease them to someone else.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 09:16
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With the number of 737787/777 grounded for various engine and other problems there is no shortage of airlines looking for airframes to lease.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 09:27
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It is Wikipedia but...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTanker_Services

Are you sure TC were still leasing them?

I donít know the correct answer, just sharing a link.

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Old 24th Sep 2019, 09:39
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This would suggest TC were still leasing two.

https://www.airtanker.co.uk/leasing

or it might be they've not got around to updating it
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An airframe is currently in use with Condor. Yesterday morning it tracked over Brize Norton on it's way to Frankfurt after an overnight Atlantic crossing. Other 2 frames being used by Jet2
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 14:32
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Sad to admit but I know this! G-VYGL(ZZ341) and G-VYGM(ZZ342) are with Jet 2 and G-VYGK(ZZ340) is with Condor. No mention of TC.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 15:07
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Is Condor not the German branch of Thomas Cook?
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Condor, legally incorporated as Condor Flugdienst GmbH, is a German leisure airlinebased in Frankfurt and a subsidiary of the insolvent Thomas Cook Group. It operates scheduled flights to leisure destinations in the Mediterranean, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, and the Caribbean. Its main base is at Frankfurt Airport with further smaller bases at other German airports.[2] Despite its parent company Thomas Cook Group filing for insolvency, the airline continues to operate after applying for a loan with the German government.[
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 15:57
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Bit of an update on my last, just been told that the Condor jet flew into Brize earlier, maybe its Condor days are over?
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 16:55
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As normal, there are quite a few airlines sailing close to the wind, revenue wise. TC (at least the TC Airline) was known in the industry to be in dire straights for the last year or so.
As an aside, I believe that the Air Tanker Lease contracts have omitted re-livery clauses so that, when they are returned to AT, AT will have to pay to repaint them!
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 20:05
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Originally Posted by chinook240 View Post
Condor, legally incorporated as Condor Flugdienst GmbH, is a German leisure airlinebased in Frankfurt and a subsidiary of the insolvent Thomas Cook Group. It operates scheduled flights to leisure destinations in the Mediterranean, Asia, Africa, North America, South America, and the Caribbean. Its main base is at Frankfurt Airport with further smaller bases at other German airports.[2] Despite its parent company Thomas Cook Group filing for insolvency, the airline continues to operate after applying for a loan with the German government.[
I thought Condor is part of the Lufthansa Group? Did see on BBC Look East or About Anglia, interviewing pilot looking for a job online...

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Old 24th Sep 2019, 20:21
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Originally Posted by Rigga View Post
As normal, there are quite a few airlines sailing close to the wind, revenue wise. TC (at least the TC Airline) was known in the industry to be in dire straights for the last year or so.
As an aside, I believe that the Air Tanker Lease contracts have omitted re-livery clauses so that, when they are returned to AT, AT will have to pay to repaint them!
Not sure on the current but I know the first Air Tanker leases were decaled with only stickers so not as big of a job as repainting each time.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 20:44
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It was rather a pity seeing those TCX aircraft at Birmingham Airport today, parked each side of an almost identically marked Condor aircraft.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 20:44
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My flight JFK in November said operates by air tanker.

Unless it changed from me booking
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 09:33
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Condor has been a wholly owned subsidiary of the Thomas Cook Group Plc since 2000. Incorporated into the rebranded Thomas Cook airlines in 2003.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:15
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At least one Airtanker A330 is involved in repatriating forlorn Brits from USA. Just seen it on the news at Heathrow!
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 14:55
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As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 15:30
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Originally Posted by Wander00 View Post
As an aside, an A330 seems a very expensive way of carting Johnson to and from the US. I know there is an entourage, but surely something smaller with the necessary range could be leased
One assumes not just BoJo but also a number of staff and journalists?

And with the current CivAir chaos, I could guess options are a bit limited.
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Old 25th Sep 2019, 15:49
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49824427
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