LAPL Revalidation

[617Flyer]

Hi I'm looking for a bit of information on renewing the SEP rating on my LAPL.

I did the skills test back in July 2018 in the UK and have since started ATPL flying training abroad (in europe). I've logged 30hrs solo and 30hr dual with instructor so far. Question is, would these hours count towards the 12hrs required plus the 1 hour of refresher training? I've searched online and can't find any definitive answer so any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks

[Kemble Pitts]

If those hours are SEP then they will count for the LAPL revalidation.

[Level Attitude]

If you have an LAPL then you do not have an SEP Rating as these cannot be entered in to an LAPL.

It is the Licence (LAPL) itself that would entitle you to fly SEP aircraft (to LAPL privileges) and the Licence is valid for life.
There is nothing for you to Renew or Revalidate.

However, as well as having a valid medical; before each, and every, flight it is your responsibility to ensure you meet the Recency Requirements in order to exercise those privileges.

FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(a) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMG:
- (1) at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
- (2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.

Any PIC, or DUAL, flying you have done in an SEP can count - you just need to check your Log Book to always make sure they fall within the two years prior to any flight.

[617Flyer]

Thank you for the information, that's very interesting. I actually had no idea that the LAPL didn't have an SEP rating to go with it but quite glad to hear it now by the sounds of it!

[parkfell]

If you have an LAPL then you do not have an SEP Rating as these cannot be entered in to an LAPL.

It is the Licence (LAPL) itself that would entitle you to fly SEP aircraft (to LAPL privileges) and the Licence is valid for life.
There is nothing for you to Renew or Revalidate.

However, as well as having a valid medical; before each, and every, flight it is your responsibility to ensure you meet the Recency Requirements in order to exercise those privileges.

FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(a) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMG:
- (1) at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
- (2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.

Any PIC, or DUAL, flying you have done in an SEP can count - you just need to check your Log Book to always make sure they fall within the two years prior to any flight.

If you have a shortfall in (1) / (2) can a flight test with an PPL examiner reset the clock?

[Level Attitude]

If you have a shortfall in (1) / (2) can a flight test with an PPL examiner reset the clock?


Currently, the short answer is No.
Most people agree that, originally, Part-FCL was badly written and EASA are planning to change the LAPL Recency Rules to include an Option (3) in (a): "To have passed a Skill Test or Proficiency Check" within the previous 24 months.
As far as I am aware this has not yet been actioned.

At the moment:
FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
- (1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
- (2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).

Which means that a Proficiency Check "undertaken" (should actually say "passed") on one day would enable an LAPL holder to fly that day - but not the next, or subsequent, days unless they now do meet the Recency Requirements stated in (a).
Therefore, probably better to regain Recency by flying solo, or dual, (as required) under the supervision of an Instructor.

[patowalker]

The intention was obvioulsy to reset the clock with the proficiency test, just as if it was the initial skills test. It is unfortunate that some chose a more restrictive interpretation. Modified wording was approved at the 26 - 27 June committee meeting and should become law sometime soon.(9) Point FCL.140.A is replaced by the following:
“FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(a) Holders of a LAPL(A) shall exercise the privileges of their licence only if in the last 2 years they have met any of the following conditions as pilots of aeroplanes or TMGs
(1) they have completed at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC or flying dual or solo under the supervision of an instructor, including:
- 12 take-offs and landings;
- refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor;
(2) they have passed a LAPL(A) proficiency check with an examiner. The proficiency check programme shall be based on the skill test for the LAPL(A);
(b) If holders of a LAPL(A) hold both a SEP(land) and a SEP(sea) privilege, they may comply with the requirements in point (a)(1) in either class or a combination thereof which shall be valid for both privileges. For this purpose, at least 1 hour of the required flight time and 6 out of the required 12 take-offs and landings shall be completed in each class.”;https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/re...3117&Version=1 (https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regcomitology/index.cfm?do=search.documentdetail&Dos_ID=17811&DS_ID=63117&Version=1)
4. Vote a. Draft Commission Implementing Regulation concerning amendments to Regulation 1178/2011 (Part-FCL) based on Opinion 5/2017– positive opinion by consensus

[Whopity]

So far it has taken over 5 years to get a simple change to a piece of badly worded text. The wonderful World of EASA.

[Mike Flynn]

It was all so simple in the days of the CAA running the show.