View Full Version : Condor diversion to SNN in February 2019
chucko
12th Sep 2019, 14:20
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49672351 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49672351Wasn't)
Wasn't this the plot line in "Fate is the Hunter"?
Airbubba
12th Sep 2019, 14:49
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49672351 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49672351Wasn't)
Wasn't this the plot line in "Fate is the Hunter"?
It was in the plot of the 1964 movie which was so distant from Ernest Gann's magnum opus book of the same title that he disowned the movie.
From Wikipedia:
The plot of the 1964 film Fate Is the Hunter (left=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_(film)) had no relation to the book. Gann had written some early drafts of the script, but was so unhappy with the final result that he asked to have his name removed from it. In his autobiography, A Hostage to Fortune, Gann wrote, "They obliged and as a result I deprived myself of the TV residuals, a medium in which the film played interminably."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter
Blind Squirrel
12th Sep 2019, 15:20
I await the new Discovery Channel series: The Deadliest Drink.
Jetstream67
12th Sep 2019, 15:24
Something else to ban then ...
Airbubba
12th Sep 2019, 15:28
Something else to ban then ...
There have been bulletins out warning of costly and dangerous liquid spills for many years. And yet some folks will inevitably still set that cup of Starbucks on the center console while they build their nest on the side. :ugh:
foxcharliep2
12th Sep 2019, 16:10
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49672351 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49672351Wasn't)
Wasn't this the plot line in "Fate is the Hunter"?
Would be interesting to read but the link does not work ... or was it a TC A-330 operating for Condor with cockpit smoke due to coffee spill ?
RomeoTangoFoxtrotMike
12th Sep 2019, 16:21
Would be interesting to read but the link does not work ... or was it a TC A-330 operating for Condor with cockpit smoke due to coffee spill ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49672351
AAIB Report
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d518014ed915d7646dea425/Airbus_A330-243_G-TCCF_09-19.pdf
freshgasflow
12th Sep 2019, 16:25
As nonprofessional, can someone explain to me how tolerant are the controls to liquid spills ? What happens after a liquid spill,even say, there were no immediate effects ? Are the boxes sent for inspection in case seepage has occurred, making unit prone to failure in future ?
richardthethird
12th Sep 2019, 16:39
What a shame that there had not been multiple ASRs filed prior to this incident that could have prevented it happening?
Airbubba
12th Sep 2019, 16:40
Here is the 1964 movie on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/srgOhqzOssQ
foxcharliep2
12th Sep 2019, 16:49
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49672351
AAIB Report
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d518014ed915d7646dea425/Airbus_A330-243_G-TCCF_09-19.pdf
Thanks Romeo Tango FM ! - just found it on the BBC News.
Speaking as a boat owner and ex. owner of an open-cockpit aircraft I am astonished that instruments are not even splashproof given that drinks are always going to be a feature of the environment.
JW411
12th Sep 2019, 16:57
I spent a lot of my life teaching fellow pilots and cabin crew to ALWAYS pass drinks to the outside of the pilots and to put them into the cup holders provided in just about every aircraft that I flew. NEVER, EVER pass a drink through the middle, IE: over the centre console because a spillage could have disastrous consequences.
So far, so good.
One day we were passing through some west African airfields on our way south. After take-off, up came a welcome coffee which was duly delivered in exactly this way. Sadly, it went straight through the cup holder and hit the flight deck floor because it was a little bit smaller than the standard fitted cup holder. Luckily, neither I nor the avionics bay downstairs were affected.
Liquid and wiggly amps make poor companions.
Pinkman
12th Sep 2019, 17:18
Wasn't there - at one point - a suggestion that the West Air Sweden CRJ 200 (SE - DUX) crash initiating event might have been a drink spill based on the exclamation on the CVR by the PF followed almost instantaneously by erroneous outputs from the IRU? Was that theory ever disproven?
blind pew
12th Sep 2019, 19:43
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/12/cockpit-coffee-spill-caused-transatlantic-flight-diversion-aaib
in the good old days one of our captains would sit in first class and have his meal with wine and coffee well away from the VHF 1 selector panels.
UltraFan
12th Sep 2019, 20:33
What amazes me in this whole story is that a GERMAN airline doesn't have GERMAN cups that fit into GERMAN cupholders. What's next? An overheating Mercedes? Where is this world going!
UltraFan
12th Sep 2019, 20:36
The SECOND biggest mystery, however, is why the FO's radio controls burnt. Could it be that a circuit breaker didn't disconnect after the captain's radio was flooded and the resulting short overloaded the fellow unit?
foxcharliep2
12th Sep 2019, 20:46
What amazes me in this whole story is that a GERMAN airline doesn't have GERMAN cups that fit into GERMAN cupholders. What's next? An overheating Mercedes? Where is this world going!
Don't overheat - If you read the story you will see it was a Thomas Cook UK a/c operating for Condor.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49672351
https://assets.publishing.service.go...TCCF_09-19.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d518014ed915d7646dea425/Airbus_A330-243_G-TCCF_09-19.pdf)
WingNut60
12th Sep 2019, 21:29
What a shame that there had not been multiple ASRs filed prior to this incident that could have prevented it happening?
Always good to see a little sarcasm.
segfault
13th Sep 2019, 02:43
Last time I checked, ATCOs in Australia were required to use a standard type of sealed mug for drinks, minimizing the risk of spills. Maybe something similar could be done for aircrew.
tartare
13th Sep 2019, 06:33
Happened to an Air NZ 737 enroute WLG - AKL back in the day.
FO trips coming back into the cockpit with two takeaway coffees - splashed all over the centre console.
They thought they'd wiped it all up.
But the jet had to divert to Palmy North that evening when the centre console started smoking.
When they took the centre panel apart it was full of congealed coffee and stains from many spills.
I loved the headline the next day.
Coffee Grounds.
AlexGG
13th Sep 2019, 06:57
Reminds me of the movie plot for "Fate is the hunter". I thought they would make panels splash-proof after that movie came out.They had fifty years to figure out how to do it after all.
segajet
13th Sep 2019, 07:57
Similar incident in Danair many moons ago. Ex-military F/O trainee on the B737 spilt his coffee on the radio selector box, and diverted into Brussels. When the highly embarrassed copilot returned to LGW OPS he found that all the naughty ops guys had filled dozens of plastic coffee cups and spread them all over the room. As he entered , they all shouted "watch out" in unison. Within a couple of days there was a Tommee Tippee cup in ops with "737 crews for the use of" inscribed. Those were the days.
a5in_the_sim
13th Sep 2019, 08:00
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/290x290/cea40860_7c5f_46e7_9455_b1bd600a7bae_fdfeedb36426d4c1688b765 0d75397e33e5de017.jpeg
I give it 2 weeks before some middle management muppet requires “spill proof” coffee cups on the flight deck!
toratoratora
13th Sep 2019, 08:04
Seeing the youth of some of our new FOs, that is highly appropriate!
Is that one of the RAF/Airtanker Voyagers?
redED
13th Sep 2019, 09:22
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/290x290/cea40860_7c5f_46e7_9455_b1bd600a7bae_fdfeedb36426d4c1688b765 0d75397e33e5de017.jpeg
I give it 2 weeks before some middle management muppet requires “spill proof” coffee cups on the flight deck!
They already do at a certain UK low fares airline.
a5in_the_sim
13th Sep 2019, 10:07
They already do at a certain UK low fares airline.
To be fair we should get them at ours; we’re all so knackered we can barely find our mouths by the end of summer.
Steepclimb
13th Sep 2019, 18:09
Similar incident in Danair many moons ago. Ex-military F/O trainee on the B737 spilt his coffee on the radio selector box, and diverted into Brussels. When the highly embarrassed copilot returned to LGW OPS he found that all the naughty ops guys had filled dozens of plastic coffee cups and spread them all over the room. As he entered , they all shouted "watch out" in unison. Within a couple of days there was a Tommee Tippee cup in ops with "737 crews for the use of" inscribed. Those were the days.
Dammit you made me laugh so much I spit up my coffee all over my keyboard. Wait there's smoke urgh...........
mates rates
15th Sep 2019, 00:25
Good airmanship is to always pass the coffee cup around the back of the operating seats!!
Slow and curious
15th Sep 2019, 04:11
What amazes me in this whole story is that a GERMAN airline doesn't have GERMAN cups that fit into GERMAN cupholders. What's next?
IRISH COFFEE?
Chris2303
15th Sep 2019, 06:42
IRISH COFFEE?
So that's why they diverted to Shannon?
deja vu
15th Sep 2019, 13:04
I will always remember a coffee spill into the "well" at the back of the 737-200 centre pedestal. It was a VHHH to ZGGG sector on only my second trip after getting my command. On descent I had blindly reached for the PA handset just as the FA was unknowingly passing me a coffee which was not ordered or expected on a 20 minute flight. Anyway the cup's contents went down between the 3 fire handles and disappeared followed by the APU fire warning almost immediately and then ENG 1 and eventually ENG 2 were on all at once. Strangely the QRH didn't cover this event. Fortunately we landed a few minutes later with the warnings now cycling on and off every 30 seconds or so.