Ryanair Mentored Programme

[albertmari]

Hi everyone,
I have to start the ATPL training, andI am considering to try the Ryanair mentored programme assessment at Atlantic Flight Training Academy/Bartolini Air, but the current situation of Ryanair seems to be not encouraging; are these sorts of cadet schemes still worth or quite risky overall?
Thanks for any info.

[er340790]

..... 900 redundancies being reported today, though. Might affect things in the short to medium term.

[polskiland]

..... 900 redundancies being reported today, though. Might affect things in the short to medium term.

Even if a cadet begins today it takes 2 years before he even gets close to Ryanair, besides, think twice before doing this program. There is no job guarantee at any stage

[albertmari]

Is it better to take a cadet program like the Ryanair one or doing a classic ATPL Integrated as an independent student right now?

[portos8]

Is it better to take a cadet program like the Ryanair one or doing a classic ATPL Integrated as an independent student right now?


Unless there is a solid job offer you are best off to start a modular course

[sms8]

I'm only still looking round right now and learning gradually as I'm looking to begin training next year hopefully, it does seem that doing a proper ATPL leaves more doors open for example if for whatever reason you became redundant you would not necessarily be able to go to another airline.
Unfortunately I can't post links yet to an article I read yesterday... but if you google search MPL vs ATPL theres a website called "pilot george" with some info - hopefully that will help you make a decision.

[ginevraz97]

Hi guys!
Does anyone have any info about this program? Is a job as a First Officer with Ryanair guaranteed at the end of the ATPL or do you still have to go through an interview with the company?

[albertmari]

Once you have completed the ATPL Integrated-RYR Mentored programme at AFTA, you'll have to pass a final RYR assessment in Dublin

[aerodestination]

Even though media are reporting 900 pilot lay offs and there has been a significant slow down in RYR FO intake, there was still a linkedin post today from a RYR recruiter about 4 or 5 students on the RYR monitred cadet program from sky4U that were offered positions as First Officer. Intake is lower, but they are still hiring. A RYR SOP specific MCC will still be a huge plus if your plan is to get into ryanair.

[Hawker400]

Even though media are reporting 900 pilot lay offs and there has been a significant slow down in RYR FO intake, there was still a linkedin post today from a RYR recruiter about 4 or 5 students on the RYR monitred cadet program from sky4U that were offered positions as First Officer. Intake is lower, but they are still hiring. A RYR SOP specific MCC will still be a huge plus if your plan is to get into ryanair.
Any chance you can post the source?I'd wager there are at least 150 cadets that passed the stages at HQ, most had courses canceled because of the MAX and are in hold pools, myself included. Would be a kick in the teeth if there's ongoing recruitment for only mentored programs.


My view is that MCC APS is totally useless, pass rate was less than 50% during assessments and now with CAE program costing €10,000 with 4yr bond. Just extra expense.

[aerodestination]

posted 19 hours ago on linkedin by the pilot recruitment coordinator. Including a picture of the students and recruiters. It could well be that these students are part of the 150 cadets you mentioned who were higher up that list. Atleast a sign that it's not on a complete standstill I guess? I personally think that recruitment will pick up very rapidly once the MAX starts flying again.

We were delighted to welcome 4 Cadets (Mihai, Giovanni, Francesco & Matej) to the Ryanair family who completed their Ryanair Mentored APS MCC with (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6588103506262011904/)
SKY4u Aviation Service GmbH (https://www.linkedin.com/company/sky4u-aviation-service-berlin/)! We wish you all the best in your career with us! Mark Duffy (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAAAjCEIByyCbhWPb9nFEQj9aJvOHsOI10GE/) Colm Judge (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAABMpg3EBr07KknQ2M9j39tOY2VQYEvpi0Iw/) Kay Wachtelborn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAAzpRVMBOac8uB8gm8sERdKa2CwbWKO_uis/) hashtag#ryanair (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23ryanair&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#aviation (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23aviation&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#apsmcc (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23apsmcc&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#ryanairgivesyouwings (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23ryanairgivesyouwings&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#mentored (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23mentored&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#welcome (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23welcome&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#students (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23students&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#cadets (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23cadets&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D)

[parkfell]

News from across the Pond indicate that the FAA will recertify the MAX early 2020.

Whether EASA will then essentially rubber stamp the MAX, or carry out their own processes before giving it approval again, only time will tell.

[Banana Joe]

The sooner the MAX flies again, the better. Not just for Ryanair, but everybody involved in the industry. Two smallish operators in my home country have the MAX in the fleet, it's hurting them really bad.

[Hawker400]

posted 19 hours ago on linkedin by the pilot recruitment coordinator. Including a picture of the students and recruiters. It could well be that these students are part of the 150 cadets you mentioned who were higher up that list. Atleast a sign that it's not on a complete standstill I guess? I personally think that recruitment will pick up very rapidly once the MAX starts flying again.

We were delighted to welcome 4 Cadets (Mihai, Giovanni, Francesco & Matej) to the Ryanair family who completed their Ryanair Mentored APS MCC with (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6588103506262011904/)
SKY4u Aviation Service GmbH (https://www.linkedin.com/company/sky4u-aviation-service-berlin/)! We wish you all the best in your career with us! Mark Duffy (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAAAjCEIByyCbhWPb9nFEQj9aJvOHsOI10GE/) Colm Judge (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAABMpg3EBr07KknQ2M9j39tOY2VQYEvpi0Iw/) Kay Wachtelborn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAAzpRVMBOac8uB8gm8sERdKa2CwbWKO_uis/) hashtag#ryanair (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23ryanair&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#aviation (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23aviation&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#apsmcc (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23apsmcc&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#ryanairgivesyouwings (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23ryanairgivesyouwings&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#mentored (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23mentored&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#welcome (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23welcome&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#students (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23students&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D) hashtag#cadets (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?highlightedUpdateUrns=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A658810350626201 1904&keywords=%23cadets&originTrackingId=1thxJ7AdOPs7cqbgz6SghA%3D%3D)

Ah seems these guys were from before the freeze.
I think when recruitment restarts with the max deliveries coming in they will be hiring massively

[johnnyzgirony]

Hi guys,
Also looking for feedback from MCC APS Ryr mentored programme. I want to apply till April and thinking about two schools: Aviomar and AFTA.
Thanks in advance.

[Max1996]

I am also interested in the Ryanair program at AFTA. Is there anyone here that has started the Ryanair mentored training, or completed it and got the job with Ryanair? Is it true that the only part that you are doing with Ryanair is the APSMCC and that the rest is the normal AFTA training? I was also advised to do modular. Can I do the modular training elsewhere and still do the Ryanair APS MCC with AFTA?

[Szymans]

I know this post is very old, but I'm looking for any opinions on AFTA or Aviomar. Currenty thinking about starting on one of those.

Many thanks

[WindyTurtle]

I don't know much about Aviomar - besides being a RYR partner - but I've heard really good things about AFTA overall. They seem to have a large, modern fleet; in-house maintenance (I think); flying from a commercial airport; great instructors and training; varied weather for tricky IFR flying. As always, get yourself a class 1 medical first and visit your shortlisted schools in person, but AFTA seems like it's in a good position at the moment.

I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students. Obviously, keep in mind that this is what was said by them as a recruitment/marketing team; however I'm sure you could contact the Irish Aviation Authority to confirm all this with paper trails and check that AFTA is financially stable.

[Szymans]

I don't know much about Aviomar - besides being a RYR partner - but I've heard really good things about AFTA overall. They seem to have a large, modern fleet; in-house maintenance (I think); flying from a commercial airport; great instructors and training; varied weather for tricky IFR flying. As always, get yourself a class 1 medical first and visit your shortlisted schools in person, but AFTA seems like it's in a good position at the moment.

I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students. Obviously, keep in mind that this is what was said by them as a recruitment/marketing team; however I'm sure you could contact the Irish Aviation Authority to confirm all this with paper trails and check that AFTA is financially stable.
Thank you very very much! Yeah I've heard very good things about both. I will be gathering as much information as possible. thanks for the tip!

[Straight_and_level]

I’ve done some flying in AFTA.

Excellent setup, sometimes terrible weather (had quite a few lessons moved), a lot of their former integrated students are instructors (building hours/waiting to get an airline job). Flying a Cessna and holding for a jet to take off in the same space is very cool! They have quite a few glass 172s but equally some older ones too. SIM setup is the best in the country (within the confines of their own school). It is a very large school and there’s lots of students from all over the world training there as a result which backs up how regarded they are as a result. As far as I’m aware, neither AFTA or the other ATO in Ireland (National Flight Centre) ask for the price up front. It’s an initial deposit of approx €3,000 and then two weeks before training commences, another €20,000. Next payment is not due until 6 months into the course.

[Alex Whittingham]

I visited a pilot careers fair where I got to speak to AFTA. I explained my fears of integrated schools collapsing during training. They said that due to another ATO having folded and leaving students in a sticky situation previously, the Irish Aviation Authority has since ensured that Irish schools have regular financial checks (every year i think?) to ensure that the school can actually deliver to its paying customers/students.

Hats off to the IAA for at least attempting to discharge their responsibility to ensure ATOs have sufficient funding. UK candidates should note that the UK CAA deny that they are required to do this, despite it being laid out in black and white in UK legislation. The IAA require statements and documents from the Accountable Manager thus...

"I understand that...

I am responsible for ensuring that all activities can be financed and carried out in accordance with the applicable operational and regulatory requirements;
The Authority may require my organisation to demonstrate in a written submission that sufficient funds are available to continue to meet the terms of approval, or proposed amendments;
A Financial Statement signed by the Approval Training Organisation's (ATO) bankers or auditors must accompany the ATO business plan and be submitted with this form.
A Financial Statement may be required at any time if the Authority deems that all activities or proposed activities cannot be financed and carried out in accordance with the applicable operational and regulatory requirements. "

[stallato]

Le scuole di un certo livello si equivalgono, tutte hanno cose che funzionano benissimo e altre lasciano a desiderare, il fattore determinante è comprendere che chi si appresta ad intraprendere questo percorso, sia consapevole delle difficoltà e sacrifici che dovrà affrontare. L'approssimazione e la superficialità non appartengono a questo mondo. Conosco AVIOMAR e posso dire che ha tutto per portarvi alla meta, ma serve il vostro impegno e dedizione

[TogaToFLs]

Hi, can anyone that applied to Gateway 1 confirm which website is best to prepare for it? Is it pilot assessment?

​​​​​Is it different between the different Gateways?