Class one 1med and ppl instruction

[much2much]

Ther appears to be a rumour, or perhaps it is correct, probably not, circulating,
That a class one médical is required to instruct for remunaration, for ppl holders , with or without cpl knowledge,
Whether for easa ppl, lapl, ir nppl
Any ideas
thanks

[BEagle]

Any idea?

Yes - it's utter bolleaux. The only requirement is that the medical certificate must be appropriate for the level of the licence if all licence privileges are to be exercised.

No PPL holder needs a Class 1 medical. Also the right to be remunerated for conducting flight instruction is a PPL instructor privilege and has nothing to do with the medical whatsoever.

Whoever is peddling rumours to the contrary needs to STFU and to RTFM - in this case EASA's Easy Access Rules for Aircrew.

[Genghis the Engineer]

No PPL holder needs a Class 1 medical.
Unless they are about to take their CPL skill test - the only time a PPL holder needs a class 1 that I can think of.

Otherwise in complete agreement.

G

[Whopity]

Unless they are about to take their CPL skill test
Thats leaving it a bit late, a candidate was always advised to get a Class 1 prior to commencing commercial training, just in case.

I would have thought that anyone capable of reading the regulation and ANO would know what the requirements are and recognise a stupid rumour when they see it..

[custardpsc]

Unless they are about to take their CPL skill test - the only time a PPL holder needs a class 1 that I can think of.

Otherwise in complete agreement.

G

or, to be pedantic, to get the licence issued after the succesful test ! although the wording implies you needed an expired class one anyway...

Applicants must be in possession of an EASAClass 1 medical certificate at the time of the test. The medical certificate shall be shown to the examiner. If the certificate is out of date the Examiner may still conduct the test, but the applicant should be aware that, regardless of the outcome, the licence will not be issued until the medical certificate is renewe

[Whopity]

FCL.1030 Conduct of skill tests, proficiency checks and assessments of competence

(a) When conducting skill tests, proficiency checks and assessments of competence, examiners shall:
(2) verify that the applicant complies with all the qualification, training and experience
requirements in this Part for the issue, revalidation or renewal of the licence, rating or
certificate for which the skill test, proficiency check or assessment of competence is taken;

[plane_777]

Hi there,
I've been told lately that someone holding a Class 2 can instruct (I'm not clear if that's someone who previously held a Class 1 and lost it or never held one). My question is this, if you are only eligible to instruct with a class 2 medical if without a class 1 medical you are not eligible to undergo he training? (ie: CPL/Instructor rating) So if you are not able to undergo the training, how can you ever become an instructor with a Class 2 rating?

I'm hoping someone can clear this up for me.

[BillieBob]

Where does it say that you have to hold a Class 1 medical to undertake the FI course, or a CPL come to that?

[plane_777]

On the website of pretty much every flight school who offer it.

But not on the CAA site.....okay I'm confused now

[Whopity]

But not on the CAA site.....okay I'm confused now

A Class one is required for the issue of a CPL and to ensure that you can get one, ATOs will advise candidates to obtain one before starting training.
There is no requirement for a Class 1 to become a FI, however most potential FIs will have or be obtaining a CPL therefore will have a Class 1.

[plane_777]

but isn't the CPL rating required for people who wish to undertake a PPL instructor course?

[Whopity]

but isn't the CPL rating required for people who wish to undertake a PPL instructor course?
CPL is a licence not a rating and has never been required to become an instructor. CPL level knowledge is required (theoretical exams) unless you only wish to instruct for the LAPL.
A PPL holder needs slightly more hours PIC to become an FI than a CPL holder.

[MrAverage]

Never is not quite true. When I embarked on the journey in the late '80s / early '90s a BCPL was required, based either on the BCPL or CPL writtens. (Taking the ATPLs straight off was not allowed)

[Whopity]

BCPL was required A BCPL was only required if the instruction was remunerated, it was still possible to be a FI based upon a PPL with BCPL/CPL knowledge.

[TheOddOne]

I got my unrestricted BCPL with a Class 2 medical, based on a pass of the CPL exams and a CPL flight test. I think there were still 3 classes of medical back then in the late 80's. I upgraded to a Class 1 in 2006 to upgrade my BCPL to a CPL, at the CAA's encouragement (I had all the hours plus plus by then). I think they were trying to get old style unrestricted BCPL holders off their books. I had the Class 1 by the time I started the FI course in 2007. So why didn't I get a Class 1 back in the 80's? Myopia. The cutoff then was -3 dioptre. Later it shifted to -5. I was -3.25, just outside in 1980's but comfortably inside by 2007.
That's life!

TOO

[Whopity]

The three classes of Medical stayed with us until July 99 when they disappeared on the implementation of JAR-FCL. The BCPL was a bit of a disaster from start to finish, the CAA did not like the idea of a 200 hour CPL via modular training and the BCPL served two functions, it gave PPL existing PPL FIs the right to be remunerated following a law change in 89 and it held off the issue of a CPL until the holder had accrued 700 hours.