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pilotchute
24th Jun 2019, 07:22
So after a few years of never hearing back from the usual suspects in Australia I went overseas for a jet job.

Now that someone else has invested time and money in me Australian airlines are now offering interviews.

So the pilot shortage seems to be a shortage of pilots who got training outside Australia and come back not needing type ratings.

WillieTheWimp
24th Jun 2019, 07:44
Not sure why youíre surprised that more experience gets you an interview.

Berealgetreal
24th Jun 2019, 07:51
Pilot shortage, not.

Global Aviator
24th Jun 2019, 09:03
Anyone offering DEC though like close neighbours?

Blueskymine
24th Jun 2019, 11:03
No shite shirlock.

Itís called experience. When you have it, your skills are in demand. Hence the contracts on offer in Asia.

pilotchute
24th Jun 2019, 13:39
What I mean is Australia seems to want other people to pay for your training and they just wanna reap the rewards.

When I applied to Alliance I was told I wasnt competitive because I did not have multi crew time.
"But the ad says 250 multi PIC or multi crew". Well we dont want to pay for the MCC course. If you get your MCC we will interview you.

So it seems they just wanted another company to pay for my MCC.

Global Aviator
24th Jun 2019, 15:49
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/pilot-job/3414/E-145%20First%20Officer%20non-type%20rated%20FAA%20ATP%20provided%20by%20Airline

You always had a choice to stay in Aus or go expat.

I went expat, never a happier moment.

Would have loved a realistic shot at a LHS in Oz but unlikely.

Why did I post the link above?

Options!

Having flown airline and corporate and thinking of returning to Aus.......

China........ NOT ME..........

So I’ve been there done that (ok maybe have an irrelevant tatt to prove it)...

Whats next for coming home to PC and correctness and huge tax?

Or stay where I am for a while???????

Please help me!!!

MD80767 Driver
24th Jun 2019, 17:48
Thats not just Australia mate. Thats the 'wonderful' WORLD of aviation for ya'..

AerocatS2A
25th Jun 2019, 04:12
What I mean is Australia seems to want other people to pay for your training and they just wanna reap the rewards.

When I applied to Alliance I was told I wasnt competitive because I did not have multi crew time.
"But the ad says 250 multi PIC or multi crew". Well we dont want to pay for the MCC course. If you get your MCC we will interview you.

So it seems they just wanted another company to pay for my MCC.

Why would someone hire you if they have to give you additional training when there is someone else to hire who already has the qualification? Regardless of what the minimums say on the job advert, if lots of applicants have jet time and you donít then they will get the job and you wonít. If applicants have an MCC and you donít, who do you think gets the job? You are not, and never were, competing against the minimum requirements, you were competing against the other candidates.

geeup
25th Jun 2019, 04:43
Personally I enjoy the expat thing.
Glad I left Australia Aviation & at this stage have no intention of ever returning.

Gligg
25th Jun 2019, 07:18
In this country, you gotta get the jet time first. Then when you get the jet time, you get the money. Then when you get the money, then you get the mortgage.

Global Aviator
25th Jun 2019, 07:58
Yes I didn’t articulate what I was saying properly. I didn’t mean please help me in the job sense, it’s the understanding of how it is.

Interesting times everywhere. Hats of to Tiger guys. I see Eva Air pilots went the strike option.

For me anyway remaining an expat is the most obvious choice. Madness in Oz off topic but the AFL crowd behavioural officers WTF, good to see a fast fix but what the fark were they thinking???

pilotchute
25th Jun 2019, 13:29
If an employer wants applications from people with an MCC and jet time why dont they advertise that?

The whole 1000TT and 250 multi PIC is a bit tiresome when what they want is 2500TT, multi turbine PIC and MCC.

morno
25th Jun 2019, 13:55
If an employer wants applications from people with an MCC and jet time why dont they advertise that?

The whole 1000TT and 250 multi PIC is a bit tiresome when what they want is 2500TT, multi turbine PIC and MCC.

Have you been told they want it? Or are you just assuming they want it because you werenít successful?

Employers can ask what they want and employ who they want pilotchute. Theyíre not there to meet your every need.

pilotchute
25th Jun 2019, 14:24
Morno,
That was from a Dash operator. I called them to ask what I could do to improve my CV. My CV was fine apparently but my total was too low (2000TT)
I was told by HR that those numbers I mentioned above make me "competitive".

If you want to dig a bit deeper my Twin Otter time wasnt deemed acceptable by Alliance because it wasnt a "transport category" aircraft.

morno
25th Jun 2019, 16:39
Morno,
That was from a Dash operator. I called them to ask what I could do to improve my CV. My CV was fine apparently but my total was too low (2000TT)
I was told by HR that those numbers I mentioned above make me "competitive".

If you want to dig a bit deeper my Twin Otter time wasnt deemed acceptable by Alliance because it wasnt a "transport category" aircraft.

If I were a recruiter and I had 50 people come to me with transport category and multi crew time, Iíd take them over someone without it generally too. But I wouldnít put all my eggs in one basket and not advertise the lowest experience Iíd be willing to accept if I had to.

I donít see what your whinge is about Chute. Itís just market demand. In 5 years time they will probably have to accept even lower than what you first applied with because apparently weíll be short of pilots.

lucille
25th Jun 2019, 18:48
Sadly, pilotchute is correct. Australian companies seem to require the one thing that you don’t have on your CV. Won’t be long before some HR drongo will demand Cold WX Ops experience as a pre-requisite.

I left Oz in 1987 and never returned. Never, ever regretted a single moment had an interesting, fun and lucrative career. I strongly recommend taking the risk and going OS, suddenly your horizons, networks and opportunities expand dramatically.

Sure, there are crap jobs out there, take them, use them and move on to better jobs when they come up.The key to survival is remembering that aviation wasn’t invented in Australia.

hoss
25th Jun 2019, 23:12
Sure we didnít invent it but we have perfected it😉.

MajorLemond
26th Jun 2019, 01:20
+ 1 on going overseas if your situation allows, especially if you are single and willing to try something different. You quickly realize that their is a big world outside of Australia. Career progression is generally a whole lot faster and you can make some serious cash in the contract world.