HDG off LAM for EGLL

[SATCO]

I'm rather hoping HEATHROW DIRECTOR will be the font of knowledge on this one... I'm looking for a 'usual' heading off LAM from LLINT to LLFIN... I realise it's all traffic-dependant, but if I said 120 would I be far off the mark? Thanks in advance.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

120 off LAM? I thin k you're mixing LAM and BNN? Usual heading off LAM is 270, with adjustment for wind. If things are quiet 240 maybe used for a straight in on westerlies. After leaving LAM the next heading for 27L/R could be from 180 to 120 depending on everything.. Someone will tell me it has all been changed!

[Doug E Style]

The usual heading off LAM is west-ish; 265-275 normally depending on the wind. Sometimes you get a dog leg, south-west for a few miles followed by north-west for a few miles to make a bigger gap ahead on easterlies but that’s fairly unusual. The 120 heading comes a bit later, somewhere over north-west London.

[chevvron]

OK SATCO, now ask the usual heading off BIG for 27R.;)

[DaveReidUK]

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[Del Prado]

I'm rather hoping HEATHROW DIRECTOR will be the font of knowledge on this one... I'm looking for a 'usual' heading off LAM from LLINT to LLFIN... I realise it's all traffic-dependant, but if I said 120 would I be far off the mark? Thanks in advance.

You’re right Satco, a usual-ish heading for LAM traffic to be handed off from INT to FIN would be 120.

[SATCO]

Sorry HD, that's what I meant... wasn't terribly clear initially perhaps; it was the 'off LAM from INT to FIN' I was after... I've got 270-ish OFF LAM, it was the turning HDG, 180 to 120 depending on everything, roger. I've been watching some tracking and 150 seems prevalent but if you ask me it's just too darned tight!

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Thing is, SATCO, the headings are determined by the radar controllers. After leaving LAM, the next heading might be downwind or base leg. There's a lot going on over NE London, noit to mention mixing them in with those coming off BNN!

[SATCO]

I get all that... I'm trying to determine that notwithstanding everything else going on, 150 is too tight, 120 gives a bit more room. I've been watching some radar replays and that seems about the norm... rarely do I see 150-ish...

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

What exactly are you trying to do and do you have any experience working in the LTMA? Once traffic has left LAM heading 270ish, the next heading could be anything from 220 to 120. I wouldn't call 150 too tight...

[Nimmer]

So Heathrow controllers need to know approximately 5 headings, maybe 7, AMAN tells them the order, and TBS
provides a target to ensure correct spacing. No phone calls with EXCDS either.

makes me wonder how Heathrow is MUC, time to stroll the 8 paces to SLAG corner boys and girls ������

[DaveReidUK]

A day's worth of LAM 27 arrivals:

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[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Nimmer what is "AMAN"? I don't understand your banter old chap!

[DaveReidUK]

Arrival Manager (https://ext.eurocontrol.int/lexicon/index.php/Arrival_Manager)

[Talkdownman]

Nimmer what is "AMAN"? I don't understand your banter old chap!
'On the numbers', Bren...

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

The best way Malcy. Glad I'm not there any more.

[mike current]

The best way Malcy. Glad I'm not there any more.
Well someone needs to keep the traffic moving. 2018 was the busiest year on record so forgive us for using a bit of technology to help, since airspace and/or tarmac haven't changed much since the 70s...

[windowjob]

So AMAN is the modern equivalent of "You're 2 off OCK to follow my xxx of BOV" shouted across the room?

[Gonzo]

Yes, exactly like that. That’s literally all it does.........:cool:

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

I wonder how much it cost?

[Nimmer]

AMAN also gives the minutes of expected holding. Alas the ATCO old fashioned way wasn’t deemed always fair and accurate. Also all that shouting did make the ops room rather noisy.

[zonoma]

I know most of you are noisy buggers in that half of the room, but don't forget that AMAN also feeds XMAN which tells our surrounding colleagues to slow the LLs down to cut holding a little, even the loudest of you cannot shout and be heard by the French :O

[Gonzo]

Sorry, one was being sarcastic.

[Talkdownman]

So AMAN is the modern equivalent of "You're 2 off OCK to follow my xxx of BOV" shouted across the room?
Some of us used to be able do it without having to shout out the order...

[Nimmer]

AMAN,

With the new “respect at work policy” , (for the retired folk this is not a joke.) A 90 minute compulsory “training” package, which if not completed may result in you not being allowed on site. One feels this must be put to the test.

Anyhow I digress, with this strict policy I assume AMAN will need to be rebranded.

suggestions anybody?

[Brian 48nav]

When the off-spring told me about the 'Jam making ' comment, I nearly wet myself laughing!

By the sound of things NATS has all the makings of a Police State!

Window Job

Good to see you still alive and posting!

BW

[Nimmer]

When the off-spring told me about the 'Jam making ' comment, I nearly wet myself laughing!

By the sound of things NATS has all the makings of a Police State!

Window Job

Good to see you still alive and posting!

BW

Above comments resulted in a compulsory attendance to a respect at work briefing!!

any thoughts on a rename for AMAN??

[Brian 48nav]

AMAN

All managers are nincompoops!

Back to my bathchair!