View Full Version : AIR CHINA ... woops
Officer Kite
20th Jun 2019, 11:58
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/960x720/64501112_2695578200452218_3008810481327538176_n_89bed363762b 93a129d89b86ccd45115192d1e78.jpg
Frankfurt
Banana Joe
20th Jun 2019, 12:05
That's definitely not a runway excursion. I wonder what happened here.
Banana Joe
20th Jun 2019, 12:12
Seems like the tug driver had a heart attack. Hope he's gonna be fine.
gearlever
20th Jun 2019, 13:07
Hydraulic (steering) failure of the truck?
CA 966 ?
sixchannel
20th Jun 2019, 13:17
Looks to me like the aircraft had a steering problem on the taxiway and turned right onto grass - reason unknown.
The tug is after the event, being attached to nose leg probably to facilitate pushback onto taxiway.
gearlever
20th Jun 2019, 13:22
Tug on grass to push back?
Don't think so, doesn't work IMHO.
Hotel Tango
20th Jun 2019, 13:46
Looks to me like the aircraft had a steering problem on the taxiway and turned right onto grass - reason unknown.
The tug is after the event, being attached to nose leg probably to facilitate pushback onto taxiway.
Absolute rubbish!
Those who know Frankfurt ops will know that, after deplaning its passengers at the terminal, the Air China is towed to a remote parking on the south side. Therefore, a technical problem with the tug or, as already mentioned, that the tug driver became ill.
gearlever
20th Jun 2019, 14:03
CA 965 on tow (https://www.stern.de/reise/deutschland/am-frankfurter-flughafen--boeing-777-von-air-china-geraet-von-der-pist-ab-8762504.html)
HEMS driver
20th Jun 2019, 14:12
FO: "Captain, this taxiway is very short."
CA: "Yes, but it sure is wide."
flight_mode
20th Jun 2019, 14:22
Looks to me like the aircraft had a steering problem on the taxiway and turned right onto grass - reason unknown.
The tug is after the event, being attached to nose leg probably to facilitate pushback onto taxiway.
Thanks for the LOL sixchannel
Hotel Tango
20th Jun 2019, 14:43
CA965 landed FRA runway 25R at 0629 local and taxied directly to its gate (as seen on FR24 btw). As is normal practice every day, it was then to be towed to a remote parking area on the south side of the airport in order to free the gate. The aircraft was not due to depart again as CA966 until 1355 local. The incident occurred during the towing process. End of!
atakacs
20th Jun 2019, 15:54
Except for operator incapacitation or gross error I don't see how they could have ended up where they did...
DaveReidUK
20th Jun 2019, 17:16
Except for operator incapacitation or gross error I don't see how they could have ended up where they did...
Would the heart attack mentioned in post #3 qualify ?
k.h.p.
20th Jun 2019, 18:10
So how many weeks of remote stand punishment do they get for this one?
Aelkobi
20th Jun 2019, 18:45
just imagining the panic of the guy in the cockpit, screaming ... 'get off the grass... man ..!!!'
gearlever
20th Jun 2019, 19:09
just imagining the panic of the guy in the cockpit, screaming ... 'get off the grass... man ..!!!'
Which guy in the cockpit?
Just asking...
atakacs
20th Jun 2019, 19:21
Would the heart attack mentioned in post #3 qualify ?
of course
To be honest I thought it was just put forward as an hypothesis.
lomapaseo
20th Jun 2019, 19:41
anybody got any pix to show the tug track off the hard stuff into the grass? seems like it would have taken a a rather long reaction time
Speedywheels
21st Jun 2019, 03:26
Which guy in the cockpit?
Just asking...
Brake man - normal procedure when towing to have somebody in the cockpit to operate brakes
gearlever
21st Jun 2019, 09:15
Brake man - normal procedure when towing to have somebody in the cockpit to operate brakes
Towbarless: Single-man aircraft and maintenance towing (http://www.lufthansa-leos.com/aircraft-towing)
Hotel Tango
21st Jun 2019, 10:40
anybody got any pix to show the tug track off the hard stuff into the grass? seems like it would have taken a a rather long reaction time
Not entirely sure what you mean. Note that FRA use advanced equipment (which do not require any "brakeman" on the FD for these long distance tows. If you witness them (as I have) they travel at a fair rate of knots on the taxiways clear of the ramp areas. Therefore, if the driver became ill and went off piste the tug would roll for an appreciable distance. For info: the outbound flight, which was due to depart some 7 hours after the incident, was cancelled. Perhaps the aircraft incurred some damage too.
SMT Member
21st Jun 2019, 10:42
Brake man - normal procedure when towing to have somebody in the cockpit to operate brakes
Not with a TBL it's not, at least not my neck of the woods. Push-backs are also performed with just one guy in a TBL, with a bluetooth headset connected to wirelessly to the flight deck.
FlightDetent
21st Jun 2019, 14:26
Only in Europe. In China it is not allowed to walk on the grass, let alone park aircraft.
Apparently Sebastian Vettel was driving. :-)
gearlever
21st Jun 2019, 19:30
Apparently Sebastian Vettel was driving. :-)
No. He is currently at Circuit Paul Ricard in Le Castellet .