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luchtzak
4th Mar 2019, 12:29
Close call for these runway workers, most likely this happened in Paraguay, still looking for date/time/airport/aircraft details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ppz5wAeXw
Flying Clog
4th Mar 2019, 12:41
I call baloney on this one.
Hotel Tango
4th Mar 2019, 13:10
I call baloney on this one.
Maybe, but it's not in Europe or the USA from what I can tell. Crew possibly informed/aware of temporary displaced threshold but still managed to come in too low (maybe not expecting a vehicle/vehicles to be there)? "Clear the runway" communication not given/received by the work crew? Whatever, some sort of cock up, but "baloney" I not so so sure about that.
treadigraph
4th Mar 2019, 13:22
Terminal and tower do look like they could be Asuncion.
c-bert
4th Mar 2019, 14:33
CGI aircraft. Why would the crew just saunter off anyway?!
DaveReidUK
4th Mar 2019, 14:34
Terminal and tower do look like they could be Asuncion.
Yes, Asuncion, happened 4-5 years ago.
Hotel Tango
4th Mar 2019, 16:17
CGI aircraft
CGI my foot!
rotornut
4th Mar 2019, 16:56
Remember the Cranbrook accident? Not a happy ending:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Western_Airlines_Flight_314
SigWit
4th Mar 2019, 17:33
This seems pretty fake indeed.
luchtzak
4th Mar 2019, 17:56
Not a fake, last information: Asuncion, Paraguay about 4-5 years ago.
Planet Basher
4th Mar 2019, 18:45
Why would they be laying tarmac sans roller?
Thrust Augmentation
4th Mar 2019, 19:08
Story possibly true, but thats just CGI BS.
Mad (Flt) Scientist
4th Mar 2019, 19:37
The airport authority appears to have responded to the video as if it were real (or at least, without questioning whether it is real) - and commenting on one of the people in the video as a recognized retired employee. So unless someone went to the trouble of rounding up the original workmen, filming them, and then CGIing the aircraft into the video....
I agree that's not impossible, but it's a lot of trouble to go to ...
student88
4th Mar 2019, 19:46
So you can hear the supposed wake of the passing aircraft but the flag on the vehicle doesn't change direction and the cones on the runway don't move.
It's fake.
Carbon Bootprint
4th Mar 2019, 20:02
Why would they be laying tarmac sans roller?
ˇBienvenidos a América Latina!
Euclideanplane
4th Mar 2019, 20:40
What type is that? Apart from the winglets, it could look vaguely similar to a Tu-134, it passes a little quick for me to determine. So maybe CGI after all?
jantar99
4th Mar 2019, 20:53
So you can hear the supposed wake of the passing aircraft but the flag on the vehicle doesn't change direction and the cones on the runway don't move.
It's fake.
Watched at speed x0.25. The flag keeps flapping steadily. Should be a fake.
Looks like a Gulfstream to me. And I don't think it's fake.
DaveReidUK
4th Mar 2019, 21:00
What type is that? Apart from the winglets, it could look vaguely similar to a Tu-134, it passes a little quick for me to determine. So maybe CGI after all?
No, the fact that you can't recognise a Gulfstream doesn't strengthen the case for it being CGI. :ugh:
Capn Bloggs
4th Mar 2019, 21:43
Hoskin's rule No 4 of being on the runway: keep your flashing roof lights on!
oleczek
4th Mar 2019, 21:54
At 0:31 something flies off the truck (perhaps whatever they used to protect truck bed from the asphalt)
We were taking off from Potosi (15500 feet asl) when the pilot suddenly swore and lifted as a man and burro wandered onto the runway in front of us...
Euclideanplane
5th Mar 2019, 08:06
No, the fact that you can't recognise a Gulfstream doesn't strengthen the case for it being CGI. :ugh:
So not a RusAir (CGI) Tupolev at all. Thought so. (Sorry,could not resist :})
pilotguy1222
5th Mar 2019, 08:21
Runway was notamed at the time with displaced threshold of 1000m.
Not old. This just happened and the notam is from 2019 as well.
DaveReidUK
5th Mar 2019, 08:30
Not old. This just happened and the notam is from 2019 as well.
If you mean "just" in the sense of "recent", how do you account for DINAC's statement that it occurred 4-5 years ago, and that one of those workers has been retired for 3 years?
https://twitter.com/1000_am/status/1102333789513109504
Are they lying?
sixchannel
5th Mar 2019, 11:57
Just ask yourselves WHY A.N.Other (workman no4??) would be getting his smartphone camera out to film his mates mundanely laying tarmac just at the precise moment the aircraft comes in to land?
Not a single reaction from the tarmaccing crew either.
Fake in my book.
DaveReidUK
5th Mar 2019, 12:29
I'm confused.
All this stuff about the flag not fluttering when it should. Or was it the other way round?
No, that was the fake Moon landings - I keep getting my conspiracies mixed up.
sixchannel
5th Mar 2019, 12:34
I'm confused.
All this stuff about the flag not fluttering when it should. Or was it the other way round?
No, that was the fake Moon landings - I keep getting my conspiracies mixed up.
Me too. And Elvis works down our Chip Shop. Honest.
MartinAOA
5th Mar 2019, 12:56
If it were fake, I'd nominate the video for the "Special Effects" Academy Award. Bet this was not their first close encounter, so this time they recorded it ;)
Just ask yourselves WHY A.N.Other (workman no4??) would be getting his smartphone camera out to film his mates mundanely laying tarmac just at the precise moment the aircraft comes in to land?
Not a single reaction from the tarmaccing crew either.
Fake in my book.
Hotel Tango
5th Mar 2019, 13:29
sixchannel, you could say the same for many accidents that have been filmed just at the appropriate moment! My take is that the person filming was not intending to film what eventually occurred but simply an aircraft landing. The filming starts when the aircraft is still quite some way out. If it was a simple CGI spoof there would have been no need to start the sequence so soon. As for the workmens' reactions, I think they were caught up in a WTF moment probably not believing what they were seeing. South Americans are not known for being expeditious in their movements either! Again, if a CGI spoof, there was no need to continue the sequence and the landing. As for the flag, there's obviously quite a stiff wind blowing down the runway and the engines will be close to or at idle. I think the wind would win it! I have always identified CGI when I've seen it and if this is CGI then I can only say that it is of the very highest quality, even better than Hollywood can manage.
Nah, I think he started filming when he saw the AC on final. Think about it, the aircraft crosses the threshold 26 seconds into this video. So when the filming started it would have been at 200-300 feet finals. You might not see the aircraft initially due to the resolution of this video, but if you were standing on that runway you would have been visual with the aircraft long before the filming started.
Also, watch closely, the cameraman is not filming his mates, he's pointing his camera towards the approach area of the runway, he's actually trying to capture the approaching aircraft.
Notice how one of the workers had the presence of mind to cover his ears.. :)
FullWings
5th Mar 2019, 14:08
If it were fake, I'd nominate the video for the "Special Effects" Academy Award.
Same here. This is South America, guys, not LHR. Only question mark seems to be is this a new or old video...
Hotel Tango
5th Mar 2019, 15:25
Nah, I think he started filming when he saw the AC on final.
Which is what I said!
Thrust Augmentation
5th Mar 2019, 18:38
Can't believe that anyone considers this clip even vaguely real.
The finish on the aircraft is all wrong - looks like a 1/2 minute job with kiddies watercolour.
The underside detail of the aircraft is overly dark to save rendering effort.
The windows...don't look much like windows.
Is the pilot blind - didn't notice a 4x4 & bunch of hi-vizer in the way.
Are the tarmac crew blind - didn't notice a biz jet running them down.
Does the flag, which the AC landing gear passes a few feet away from exist in a place where physics don't apply.
Why did the photographer wait so long to turn around & catch the roll - bingo, the CGI geek couldn't be bothered with the effort of rendering, especially for the reversers.
ehwatezedoing
5th Mar 2019, 19:56
Can't believe that anyone considers this clip even vaguely real.
The finish on the aircraft is all wrong - looks like a 1/2 minute job with kiddies watercolour.
The underside detail of the aircraft is overly dark to save rendering effort.
The windows...don't look much like windows.
Is the pilot blind - didn't notice a 4x4 & bunch of hi-vizer in the way.
Are the tarmac crew blind - didn't notice a biz jet running them down.
Does the flag, which the AC landing gear passes a few feet away from exist in a place where physics don't apply.
Why did the photographer wait so long to turn around & catch the roll - bingo, the CGI geek couldn't be bothered with the effort of rendering, especially for the reversers.
We are talking about a video taken from a cell phone ffs,
Not IMAX!
And crew noticed, they bailed out of the way.
Which is what I said!
Sorry, misread the start of your post, then we agree!
Thrust Augmentation
5th Mar 2019, 20:15
We are talking about a video taken from a cell phone ffs, Not IMAX!
No FFS.... 4x4 looks real, AC looks like a cartoon - moving or not.
All I can see is a cartoon AC in a video clip & as you would expect the cartoon content has no effect on the boys from the blackstuff or their flag....
Come to think of it I've seen more realistic AC's in cartoons.
Hotel Tango
5th Mar 2019, 21:58
Can't believe that anyone considers this clip even vaguely real.
Can't believe that anyone considers this clip even vaguely fake!
The aircraft is an executive jet. With some exceptions executive jets have pretty drab and boring corporate colour schemes. If this was a CGI fake it would have had much more impact to use an airliner. Finally, at the end of the clip the workers begin to return to where they were working. Now since we all seem to agree that they are real, what did they move away for in the first place?
JanetFlight
5th Mar 2019, 22:10
FR24 geeks...here's a nice homework to do for the next couple of days »»»
(IATA: ASU, ICAO: SGAS) Search Execs and Bizz Mvt's history ;)
JanetFlight
5th Mar 2019, 22:14
BTW, Paraguays CAA has just official tweeted:
t*itter.com/dinacpy/status/1102263175083380736
DaveReidUK
6th Mar 2019, 06:33
BTW, Paraguays CAA has just official tweeted:
t*itter.com/dinacpy/status/1102263175083380736
Yes, that tweet (from 3 days ago) is the one referred to in posts #13 and #25.
Squawk7777
8th Mar 2019, 13:22
Can't believe that anyone considers this clip even vaguely real.
The finish on the aircraft is all wrong - looks like a 1/2 minute job with kiddies watercolour.
The underside detail of the aircraft is overly dark to save rendering effort.
The windows...don't look much like windows.
Is the pilot blind - didn't notice a 4x4 & bunch of hi-vizer in the way.
Are the tarmac crew blind - didn't notice a biz jet running them down.
Does the flag, which the AC landing gear passes a few feet away from exist in a place where physics don't apply.
Why did the photographer wait so long to turn around & catch the roll - bingo, the CGI geek couldn't be bothered with the effort of rendering, especially for the reversers.
This and other comments remind me of a so-called fake picture showing a SATA A310 (or A300) during a crosswind landing a couple of years ago. The prune experts had already proven this picture to be fake, when the actual photographer signed up here at pprune. The picture being debated I believe was first posted on airliners.net. The photographer posted a series of pictures of the crosswind landing which ultimately proved the fake picture statement to be a fake statement.
Machdiamond
8th Mar 2019, 14:14
I don't see any evidence that this is fake (CGI and CFD background here with analysis of flow patterns of aircraft in ground effect).
This is a cellphone video with very high compression, but to me the finish on the aircraft looks right, underside has correct lighting, windows are unusual but that's the way they are on a Gulfstream, pilot not blind this is South America, tarmac crew not blind but fully aware, flag does what's it supposed to be the downwash in ground effect would push the air sideways from the centerline which is the direction the flag was already going (and besides there is a huge cardboard that gets blown out from the truck in the correct direction).
The reaction from the guys on the ground is consistent with what's happening, if a tad nonchalant (must not be the first time).
The sound is completely realistic - engine sound, gust sound.
Finally from that position there is 4800 ft runway remaining which is plenty for a G550.
Everything in this video indicates that it is real, I don't see any red flag besides the one that is on the truck.
DaveReidUK
8th Mar 2019, 15:12
This and other comments remind me of a so-called fake picture showing a SATA A310 (or A300) during a crosswind landing a couple of years ago. The prune experts had already proven this picture to be fake, when the actual photographer signed up here at pprune. The picture being debated I believe was first posted on airliners.net. The photographer posted a series of pictures of the crosswind landing which ultimately proved the fake picture statement to be a fake statement.
And on that occasion, to be fair, the doubters did at least apologise with good grace:
It's Breeeeeeezy (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/397190-s-breeeeeeezy.html)
Capn Bloggs
8th Mar 2019, 22:15
Looks real to me! :ok:
Chu Chu
9th Mar 2019, 00:17
If it is fake, someone went to a lot of trouble, for what? Though I'd have to give the actors top marks for the way they underplayed their reactions:O
Squawk7777
9th Mar 2019, 10:21
And on that occasion, to be fair, the doubters did at least apologise with good grace:
It's Breeeeeeezy (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/397190-s-breeeeeeezy.html)
Thanks for posting the link, but :mad: 10 years ago? :uhoh:
arketip
9th Mar 2019, 10:39
If it is fake, someone went to a lot of trouble, for what? Though I'd have to give the actors top marks for the way they underplayed their reactions:O
Yes, it would be the first time that someone creates and publishes a fake video(or picture) just to get clicks. ;-)
DaveReidUK
9th Mar 2019, 17:03
Thanks for posting the link, but :mad: 10 years ago? :uhoh:
It's not my fault if you can't remember how long ago it was. :O
But if you can find a more recent picture of a SATA A310 making a spectacular crosswind landing on airliners.net that's the subject of a thread on PPRUNe, then I'll stand corrected.
KelvinD
9th Mar 2019, 17:29
Personally, I didn't doubt the video at all. After all, I was guilty of the same/similar thing in the past, particularly at Taif. When doing localizer checks I got fed up with packing up my box of tricks and leaving the runway when an aircraft approached. More than once, I remained standing at the threshold with an inbound L1011 going over my head. And I was never blown away either.