Air Canada drops Air Georgian

[evansb]

Air Canada terminates contract with connector carrier Air Georgian:


https://nationalpost.com/news/regional-airline-loses-1-5m-passenger-contract-with-air-canada-but-denies-safety-concerns-a-factor

[bafanguy]

"As part of the CPA, Air Georgian’s 12 CRJ200 aircraft will be placed at Jazz, while all Air Georgian pilots will be offered employment at Jazz."

How will they be integrated into the Jazz seniority list ?

[+TSRA]

Both Jazz and Air Georgian Pilots are represented by ALPA, so it will depend on how the transfer of planes and people is handled. I’ve not seen the newest Jazz agreement, so take the following with a grain of salt as I’m willing to be corrected based on the new agreement. I’ve only seen two ALPA contracts and currently work under one, but am not a Rhodes scholar when it comes to such things.

If the pilots groups are merged, then there is language in an ALPA contract that deals that. It would likely result in a Date of Hire (DOH) merger where it is possible a Georgian pilot would become more senior than a Jazz pilot. There will also be language in the contract to handle two or more pilots who have the same DOH. This can be messy, but is ultimately fair for two groups sharing the same union.

If the groups are not merged, and the pilots simply hired by Jazz, then the Georgian pilots would take their place at the bottom of the list, but in the order of seniority they held at Georgian, but now based on DOH at Jazz.

For example, if #1 on the Georgian list is in “class 1” at Jazz, that person would get the first slot because of ALPA rules (anyone from a non-ALPA shop then draws their number). If, however, #1 on the Georgian list is in “class 5,” that person will still be awarded the first slot in their class, but would now be x-number of seniority numbers below where they would have been had they joined day 1.

Again, grain of salt as someone with specific knowledge might be able to better clear up my general knowledge.

[bafanguy]

Both Jazz and Air Georgian Pilots are represented by ALPA, so it will depend on how the transfer of planes and people is handled.If the pilots groups are merged, then there is language in an ALPA contract that deals that.

Yep, if there's a union-negotiated integration of the lists it's hard to tell how it'll turn out. There's more than one way to do it.

But, what often happens is someone makes out well, someone is unaffected...and someone gets a royal hosing. And people get mad...and stay mad.

Been there...seen that.

[J.O.]

I have it on fairly good authority that the Georgian pilots date of hire will be honoured when they join Jazz.

[bafanguy]

I have it on fairly good authority that the Georgian pilots date of hire will be honoured when they join Jazz.

Seniority list integration is a negotiated process with negotiated results. How can the outcome be decided at this point ?

Have there been formal negotiations at this point with a formal process that has already run its course ?

[filejw]

Seniority list integration is a negotiated process with negotiated results. How can the outcome be decided at this point ?

Have there been formal negotiations at this point with a formal process that has already run its course ?
Because its not a merger or acquisition just AC putting their aircraft with an other operator. Will be interesting to see who decided to take on the Georgian pilots at DOH.

[+TSRA]

No single person made the decision. That’s not how unions work; at least, not for this sort of thing. Everything is bargained and negotiated, so this was a thought out and agreed upon process.

The merging of lists is sometimes included directly into the agreement, so everyone goes in with eyes wide open. If this is the case, then it was negotiated by the union and ratified by the pilot group, so everyone who voted yes made the decision.

if the language is not included, then it is a negotiated process at the time between both the Jazz Master Executive Council (MEC) and the Georgian MEC, or their representatives - a Merger Committee. It can also be a process involving an external party. Again, either way no single person.

[er340790]

Hmmmm.... according to FlightView, the 'Air Canada' 763 that my wife is currently flying on to Florida is operated by Air Georgian.

Can anyone clarify???

[altiplano]

Seniority list integration is a negotiated process with negotiated results. How can the outcome be decided at this point ?

Have there been formal negotiations at this point with a formal process that has already run its course ?
Jazz pilots already negotiated and voted on a new CA that permitted DOH to GGN pilots transferring to their operation

[altiplano]

Hmmmm.... according to FlightView, the 'Air Canada' 763 that my wife is currently flying on to Florida is operated by Air Georgian.

Can anyone clarify???
No. Must be a typo. I would guess it is operated by Rouge.