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paulo
8th Feb 2019, 06:05
To grandfather in to an EASA Aeros rating, eg having completed the AOPA course... You must have received the theoretical knowledge specified in AMC No 1 to FCL.800

IIRC the knowledge must be certified by an Aeros FI.

How would an FI evaluate? Is there any recognised study / revision material for the topics?

Snip from AMC No 1 to FCL.800

Theoretical knowledge
The theoretical knowledge syllabus should cover the revision or explanation of:
(1) human factors and body limitation:
(i) spatial disorientation;
(ii) airsickness;
(iii) body stress and G-forces, positive and negative;
(iv) effects of grey- and blackouts.

(2) technical subjects:
(i) legislation affecting aerobatic flying to include environmental and noise subjects;
(ii) principles of aerodynamics to include slow flight, stalls and spins, flat and inverted;
(iii) general airframe and engine limitations (if applicable).

(3) limitations applicable to the specific aircraft category (and type):
(i) air speed limitations (aeroplane, helicopter, TMG and sailplane, as applicable);
(ii) symmetric load factors (type-related, as applicable);
(iii) rolling Gs (type-related, as applicable).

(4) aerobatic manoeuvres and recovery:
(i) entry parameters;
(ii) planning systems and sequencing of manoeuvres;
(iii) rolling manoeuvres;
(iv) looping manoeuvres;
(v) combination manoeuvres;
(vi) entry and recovery from developed spins, flat, accelerated and inverted.

(5) emergency procedures:
(i) recovery from unusual attitudes;
(ii) drills to include the use of parachutes (if worn) and aircraft abandonment.

anchorhold
8th Feb 2019, 07:58
Paulo.... Interesting question.

I have to say the theoretical knowledge could best be covered by reading or re-reading Basic Aerobatics by Campbell and Tempest, Document all your past aerobatic training from your log book, both civil and military, including UAS, plus instructor renewals (if you are an instructor) where you will have been examined on spin entry and recovery. Include instructors/examiners names.

The AOPA qualification is really irrelevant as it was never really an approved CAA course and all this is a bit of an insult to those of us who have had excellent aerobatics outside the AOPA aerobatics course and flown aerobatics on a variety of aircraft.

Again, another example of EASA not thinking things through.

paulo
8th Feb 2019, 10:08
Paulo.... Interesting question.

I have to say the theoretical knowledge could best be covered by reading or re-reading Basic Aerobatics by Campbell and Tempest, Document all your past aerobatic training from your log book, both civil and military, including UAS, plus instructor renewals (if you are an instructor) where you will have been examined on spin entry and recovery. Include instructors/examiners names.

The AOPA qualification is really irrelevant as it was never really an approved CAA course and all this is a bit of an insult to those of us who have had excellent aerobatics outside the AOPA aerobatics course and flown aerobatics on a variety of aircraft.

Again, another example of EASA not thinking things through.

Thanks - Sounds like a good pointer on the book. Its one I have on the shelf, and a quick scan of the contents suggests it covers most
/ all of the EASA specified topics.

I was away from flying when EASA kicked in... am only now just understanding the changes since JAA.

anchorhold
8th Feb 2019, 13:22
I would add, that while I do not have a copy of .'Basic Aerobatics' from memory it was also endorsed by AOPA, and both Ron Campbell and Barry Tempest were AOPA men. Ron is no longer with us, I think Barry still is still on here as GKEST. Perhaps he might like to comment and let us know if it is still in print.

BEagle
8th Feb 2019, 15:17
The AOPA Basic Aerobatic Certificate syllabus was amended by Barry and I, so that it now includes all the FCL.800 requirements. The CAA has accepted it as a validated training manual for DTOs / ATOs who wish to provide instruction for the Aerobatic Rating - which means that DTOs / ATOs won't need to produce their own manuals - an expensive option!

paulo
8th Feb 2019, 16:51
The AOPA Basic Aerobatic Certificate syllabus was amended by Barry and I, so that it now includes all the FCL.800 requirements. The CAA has accepted it as a validated training manual for DTOs / ATOs who wish to provide instruction for the Aerobatic Rating - which means that DTOs / ATOs won't need to produce their own manuals - an expensive option!

Perfect... Ive now ordered the syllabus, so that should give me a good checklist to see where my knowledge is at, and where I need refreshing.