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Pin Head
19th Dec 2018, 15:25
Just read the SQ report at MUN.

B737ng, in theory with reverse thrust not selected you can still touch down, apply max thrust, sod levers down, wait 3secs for auto brakes to cancel and off you go??

rotate at 15degrees with spd above vref In the window

wiedehopf
19th Dec 2018, 15:48
Pin Head is probably referring to this report:
https://www.bfu-web.de/EN/Publications/Investigation%20Report/2011/Report_11_EX010_B777_Munic.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

(avherald: Incident: Singapore B773 at Munich on Nov 3rd 2011, runway excursion (http://avherald.com/h?article=445873f3/0001&opt=0))

de facto
19th Dec 2018, 17:36
Pin head...you ve been on pprune for years...presumably a 737pilot and yet this question...

TurningFinalRWY36
19th Dec 2018, 19:14
think that is the case for every aircraft type?

Callsign Kilo
19th Dec 2018, 22:25
Yes, once the thrust levers come are advanced from idle the auto speed brake retracts and the autobrake disengages. The autotrottle should remain armed (obviously if you havent disconnected during the approach) however 2 seconds at idle once on the ground is the point where it should disconnect itself. Press TOGA and rotate as normal when accelerating through VREF. Call for flaps 15 and away you go. Works a treat

ACMS
20th Dec 2018, 07:31
Yep, can do it in Boeing and Airbus and in fact our Airline has trained just that type of thing for near on 15 years now. We call it a rejected Landing.....

Pin Head
20th Dec 2018, 09:57
Ok..

Thought it was 3 secs before the auto brakes kicks out?

Can you take flaps 15 in the transition i.e. Gnd to air, any issue with flap retraction on climb rate in the initial climb away?

Johnny F@rt Pants
20th Dec 2018, 10:30
rotate at 15degrees with spd above vref In the window

Please don't rotate to 15degrees, you will hit the tail.

Of course you can go around after touchdown prior to reverser deployment, its simple, all you do is advance the thrust, you don't need max (dependent on runway length I suppose) and call "go around flap 15". PM retracts to flap 15 and you rotate normally very soon thereafter as you pass your Vapp. Job done.

Pin Head
20th Dec 2018, 10:57
Rotate normally is to 15 though

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Boeing_Guy
20th Dec 2018, 14:14
Rotate normally is to 15 though

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15 is only when you fly off.
if you get lucky and get to 15 before lift off, you will take the runway paint with you.

Boeing_Guy
20th Dec 2018, 14:16
Ok. At what unbugged speed will you elect to rotate?

I've personally witness a very smart training captain call rotate way pass V1.
Why ?
Well the newbie on the right hand seat yank the plane off the runway and went straight to 18 degrees as commanded by FD.
Did we get tail trike ? Nope..... the moment the right seat warmer yank back on the yoke, the plane jump into sky right away.

Breakthesilence
20th Dec 2018, 14:31
Vref Flaps 30 (and Vref Flaps 40+5) = V2 Flaps 15

In case of a rejected landing, just press TOGA, call "Go-Around Flaps 15 - Set Go-Around Thrust", select Flaps 15 (Pilot Monitoring) and rotate SLOWLY (to avoid a tailstrike) at Vref 30/40.
Aim for 14-15 Attitude and follow standard go-around procedures.

You can refer to the Touch and Go procedures in the FCTM: "At Vref 30/40 call "ROTATE""

RVF750
20th Dec 2018, 18:22
I've always kept the rotation soft until I hear the click over my head and then continued on to 15'. NEVER before that click!

B737900er
24th Dec 2018, 13:13
Im sure PIN has claimed in the past hes a captain.

underfire
24th Dec 2018, 20:00
TOGA disconnect with weight on wheels as you are now in land. Look at the 777 crash at Dubai. As shown, once there is weight on wheels, pressing TOGA has no effect, AT does not advance. Its all manual now.

Johnny F@rt Pants
24th Dec 2018, 20:25
Click click, arm length worth of thrust, check it is above the min safe speed presented to you then fly it off. Once safely airbourne start changing the config

so you are going to rotate with flaps 30 or 40? Not a good idea.

WrldWide
24th Dec 2018, 22:25
TOGA disconnect with weight on wheels as you are now in land. Look at the 777 crash at Dubai. As shown, once there is weight on wheels, pressing TOGA has no effect, AT does not advance. Its all manual now.
You are correct......FFS, a go around is push the levers forward, not wait for the automation. Or were you trained differently?

Johnny F@rt Pants
24th Dec 2018, 22:37
I'm talking an aborted landing which will be less a touch and go more a 'ah bollocks' click click, arm out,

correct, click, click, arm out and call “go around flap15”

underfire
25th Dec 2018, 01:21
You are correct......FFS, a go around is push the levers forward, not wait for the automation. Or were you trained differently?

My post was in response to other posters who talk about the autothrust staying engaged with touchdown...

Vessbot
26th Dec 2018, 14:24
I've personally witness a very smart training captain call rotate way pass V1.
Why ?
Well the newbie on the right hand seat yank the plane off the runway and went straight to 18 degrees as commanded by FD.
Did we get tail trike ? Nope..... the moment the right seat warmer yank back on the yoke, the plane jump into sky right away.

Talk about trying to fix a problem with another problem. How about just teaching him to rotate correctly?

de facto
30th Dec 2018, 18:14
I've always kept the rotation soft until I hear the click over my head and then continued on to 15'. NEVER before that click!
good luck with the Max😂😂

de facto
30th Dec 2018, 18:15
FCTM ..simple

ni si ni no
3rd Jan 2019, 19:26
good luck with the Max😂😂

No more click after being airborne then?