IRI IFR requirements.

[gengen]

Hello.

Pre-course requirements for the IRI course are 200 hrs IFR. On the SRG 1128 (Flight Examiner Authorisation issue) guidance notes, it states that 1 hour IF time (sole reference to instruments) counts as 4 hours IFR time. But there is no mention of this on SRG 1131 (application for IRI certificate). Does anyone know if 1 hour sole reference to instruments counts as 4 hours IFR for the 200 required?

[Whopity]

You are looking at out of date information The 4:1 ratio went out with EASA. You need 200 hours IFRules even if it was on autopilot in perfect VMC.

[RTN11]

Yes, unfortunately this form is wildly out of date, but I suppose there aren't the resources in the examiner department to push through an update which would, itself, be out of date in 6 months or so.

Notice all the references to JAR, no mention of EASA.

The application form isn't a legal reference for the requirements. Under JAR, the UK CAA allowed the 4:1 rule, which was their interpretation of the requirements. Under EASA, that is no longer the case, and you will need 200 hours IFR logged to meet the requirements.

[Whopity]

and you will need 200 hours IFR logged to meet the requirements. Except that under Art 228 there is no legal requirement in the UK to log time in acordance with IFR; only IFT!
(d) information about any special conditions under which the flight was conducted, including night flying and instrument flying

[RTN11]

True, but under EASA part FCL 050 it is required, and it gives an example log book which includes a column for IFR time.

[Whopity]

But under FCL 050 the requirement is delegated to the NAA:
FCL.050 Recording of flight time
The pilot shall keep a reliable record of the details of all flights flown in a form and manner established
by the competent authority. The AMC only says "should"

[ThomPilot69]

Hi,

It's my first post on prune, but actually quite interested by this conversation as I will be starting a FI course soon, and I want to keep in mind the next FI stuff that I could be able to do in the future.

I would think that the 200 IFR hours have to be in the operation for which we would teach it.
Meaning: Single Pilot.

I can't really understand the FCL for this...

What I have in mind is, if I work at an airline, flying the big jet (so multi pilot under IFR), would it counts towards the 200 hours required to start a IRI course?

Thanks!
Thom

[Whopity]

I would think that the 200 IFR hours have to be in the operation for which we would teach it.
Meaning: Single Pilot.
That might be a logical conclusion if logic or relevance had anything to do with it. What you need to realise is that European legislation is all about keeping low quality lawyers in permanent employment. Much of the aviation legislation is a straight copy from the FAA, but with European tinkering at the committee level thereafter, it is left to administrators to process it and they probably wouldn't know the front from the back of an aeroplane.
if I work at an airline, flying the big jet (so multi pilot under IFR), would it counts towards the 200 hours required Indeed it will and this is probably the only way many instructors will acheive it.

[TheSkylander]

Hi,

actually as far as I know a FI is allowed to write ifr time when teaching basic ifr during the ppl course.
Otherwise time building, but of course it is exp.

[Airgus]

Hi,

actually as far as I know a FI is allowed to write ifr time when teaching basic ifr during the ppl course.
This can not be right nor legal.

One way of building IFR time is if your school or company needs to ferry an aircraft, you can take advantage by filling up an IFR flight plan and log all the time until you cancel IFR. That can be logged as IR, you can also keep a copy of the flight plan for backup.

[TheSkylander]

This can not be right nor legal.

One way of building IFR time is if your school or company needs to ferry an aircraft, you can take advantage by filling up an IFR flight plan and log all the time until you cancel IFR. That can be logged as IR, you can also keep a copy of the flight plan for backup.

Actually it makes sens, prob I didn't understand.

Otherwise just have a qualified saety pilot and fly simulated ifr? Is it still possible?

[TheSkylander]

In this thread they discussed a lot, but everyone has different ideas..

https://www.pprune.org/flying-instructors-examiners/582183-logging-ifr-time-uk.html#post9457358

[Whopity]

I know a FI is allowed to write ifr time when teaching basic ifr during the ppl course. There is no IFR on the PPL Course, it is a VFR Licence. The instrument appreciation is conducted whilst VFR and to teach it the FI does not need any Instrument qualification so could not legally be IFR.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I've certainly never logged IFR when teaching "instrument appreciation" in VMC.

Like many instructors I have occasionally taken students IMC - legally and safely within my licence, so that they can appreciate what real IMC looks like. But, frankly it's a lousy teaching environment for what you're actually trying to deliver, and that five minutes within an hour's lesson (let's say) - well log that if you wish legitimately - but to log the whole flight would be deeply disingenuous.

G