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Rated De
17th Aug 2018, 06:46
What is very interesting is that slow and steady encirclement. Ponder this.

Firstly QF management actively suppressed promotion, training and recruitment. This created what is now being witnessed; A pilot shortage which ironically is in part self induced.

This is managed by:

Fly pilots very close to regulatory limits
When statutory limits are reached, and crewing shortage induce cancellations the management have created the pretext to wander to Canberra and exclaim the need for foreign pilots
Give ZERO ground on contracts
Announce a pilot training college to address the 'shortage'
Quietly approach government for skill shortage (circa September 2017)
At first, having a beach head state publicly for Qantas link only...
First came Jetconnect (no union opposition)
Then Network aviation with A320 in Qantas colours. (no union opposition)

Assuming that Qantas find a place to open the college and IFF there are sufficient instructors additional supply can be directed toward numerous subsidiaries and affiliates.
Assuming that supply holds, they train an alternative workforce of sufficient magnitude (with Qantas link now including Network) in order to encircle pilot supply.

Relegate the 787 to its real route network (say A330) when finally QF get a LH aircraft (like 777) use the leverage on the 787 contract to contain any advances in remuneration/terms and conditions. The old contract dies out...


The big question is will there be sufficient supply worldwide for this Orwellian wet dream to come to fruition?

gordonfvckingramsay
17th Aug 2018, 06:59
No..

The entire business model is due for collapse because it fails to keep the business fundamentals alive. The lead up to the US banking meltdown was slow, quiet and usually denied, until it happened.

Rated De
17th Aug 2018, 07:14
No..

The entire business model is due for collapse because it fails to keep the business fundamentals alive. The lead up to the US banking meltdown was slow, quiet and usually denied, until it happened.

That is a very relevant point.
As the tide recedes...

LeadSled
17th Aug 2018, 08:00
Rated De,
Do you think they are really that smart ---- serious question??
Tootle pip!!

gordonfvckingramsay
18th Aug 2018, 00:36
Do you think they are really that smart ---- serious question??

I think yes, but with arrogance in equal amounts; the two will cancel out eventually.

maggot
18th Aug 2018, 02:04
Manufactured crisis

Keg
18th Aug 2018, 02:29
With Network/ Cobham/ Jetconnect unable to recruit/ retain pilots due to the poor conditions on offer it looks less like an ‘encirclement’ and more like a circle jerk. :E

Oriana
18th Aug 2018, 05:38
If people still believe their bullshit, they need their heads read.

Have you seriously looked at the recruitment going on around the world atm?

If not an actual 'shortage', the days of shaking the tree and hundreds of pilots falling out of them are truly over.

Rated De
18th Aug 2018, 05:55
If people still believe their bullshit, they need their heads read.

Have you seriously looked at the recruitment going on around the world atm?

If not an actual 'shortage', the days of shaking the tree and hundreds of pilots falling out of them are truly over.

It is obvious all over the world, and it is the point of this thread that QF know it only too well, hence a campaign to corner the supply of pilots. The airlines may well be defeated by demographics anyway.
If QF IR know it and do everything to control it, why do the pilot unions not lever it?
If RYR pilots can bring O'Leary to his knees, who after all maintains a highly adversarial model, why can't Australian pilots do the same thing? Is it lack of desire or something more nefarious?

pilotchute
18th Aug 2018, 06:58
Alliance rejected my latest app because of my lack of multi PIC. I have plenty of turbine PIC but apparently even though it says "500 multi PIC or Turbine command" they actually mean multi PIC.

They can't even tell the truth on their job adverts.

Killer Loop
18th Aug 2018, 07:41
Alliance rejected my latest app because of my lack of multi PIC. I have plenty of turbine PIC but apparently even though it says "500 multi PIC or Turbine command" they actually mean multi PIC.

They can't even tell the truth on their job adverts.

There must be another reason for your unsuccessful application mate as I know someone who’s just got a start with Alliance with only SE turbine command.

pilotchute
18th Aug 2018, 07:48
I can assure you it was multi PIC. I was asked if I could increase my multi pic by 200 hours in the next 6 months.
​​​​​​They are also not prepared to cover the MCC course cost. I was told not having multi crew time was ok as long as long as I was prepared to pay for MCC or an ATPL check ride.You would think there was a que or applications a mile long.

Lookleft
18th Aug 2018, 08:09
The upside to your application pilotchute is they might be looking at your multi PIC hours so that they can upgrade you to the LHS quickly.

Killer Loop
18th Aug 2018, 08:44
I can assure you it was multi PIC. I was asked if I could increase my multi pic by 200 hours in the next 6 months.
​​​​​​They are also not prepared to cover the MCC course cost. I was told not having multi crew time was ok as long as long as I was prepared to pay for MCC or an ATPL check ride.You would think there was a que or applications a mile long.

OK, this guy has 1000’s of hours right hand seat multi turbine time.

Oriana
18th Aug 2018, 08:47
If QF IR know it and do everything to control it, why do the pilot unions not lever it?

A union is only as strong as its membership - and pilots do not have the cajones of say, 'Wharfies'.

The reality is, the conditions are not THAT bad, comparitively speaking, and the majority of pilots are doing 'well enough' to not risk much by getting into a stoush and risking loss of income, or their jobs.

Also, it has been shown, that big business management is more than willing to lose 'other peoples' money (read:shareholders) in an idealogical fight with a labour force. The business might go bankrupt in the meanwhile, management walk out with millions, shareholders lose, and employees lose.

Management know that.

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Blitzkrieger
18th Aug 2018, 09:50
It’s hard to take QF seriously in their pilot shortage claims to government when they have knocked several experienced jet captains who just so happen to fly the 717 for Cobham. The embargo on Cobham 717 pilots that didn’t exist was recently lifted and despite this some pretty experienced and well regarded pilots were turned away. There is indeed a shortage, but while they still believe in being selective, that shortage would appear to relate to honesty and not pilots.

Capt_CheeseDick
18th Aug 2018, 14:18
Australian airline management is laughed at from afar.
Their lack of understanding of the industry's twists and turns... because of remaining blinkered on exploiting/delaying EBA's has left them high and dry searching for "liabilities"/pilots (a famous slip by Jimmy Bow-Tie many years ago).
There is no other way to say it.
You reap what you sow!
Pilots are moving to where the best deals are for themselves & family.
The only way Australian airlines Regional & Domestic) can stop that is by matching the T's & C's!
Australia aint that special now buddy.... it's VERY expensive and unsafe/changed in many paces now... and HR"s obnoxiousness isn't helping.